flgreen Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 BRIAN COSTELLO SPORTS As usual, Jets quarterback situation is a mess By Brian Costello November 27, 2013 | 5:35am Modal Trigger Jets QB Geno Smith has struggled in recent games, but the team doesn't appear to have any other suitable quarterback options. Photo: UPI/Kevin Dietsch MORE FROM BRIAN COSTELLO The Jets organization might hold the record for most seasons with a complete mess at quarterback. Add 2013 to the list. For the third consecutive year and more years than we can even count in the last three decades, the quarterback situation is in complete disarray. Geno Smith can’t stop throwing to the other team. No one knows if Matt Simms can actually play. Mark Sanchez is recovering from surgery and David Garrard is three years removed from his last regular-season action. Remember when Tim Tebow was the biggest problem? If there is a way to screw up a quarterback decision, the Jets will find it. They have proven that since Joe Namath left in 1976. Richard Todd, Matt Robinson, Browning Nagle, Glenn Foley, they’ve had some doozies. Now, general manager John Idzik is showing he has the same poor judgment when it comes to quarterbacks many of his predecessors shared. This is not about Smith, who may someday be a good quarterback. This is about entering the season with Simms as the only viable backup. Idzik made a mistake signing Garrard not just once, but twice. If the Jets had signed someone such as Ryan Fitzpatrick or Jason Campbell in March, he would be starting for the Jets now. You might not think either is any good, but Fitzpatrick or Campbell would be a better option than a struggling Smith as the Jets try to find a way into the playoffs. Instead, coach Rex Ryan is left with less options than a vegetarian at the butcher’s shop. He can stick with Smith, who has proven very little this season or he can go with Simms, who has proven even less. You can almost hear Ryan asking, “Are those my only options?” There is Garrard, but no one around the Jets seems even lukewarm to that idea. Garrard retired in May because his knees would not stop swelling. Guess who popped up on the injury report over the last two weeks with knee problems? Plus, Garrard has not actually played since 2010 when he was with the Jaguars. At this point, he has more rust than a ’57 Chevy and probably runs as well as one, too. It’s hard to figure out why the Jets welcomed Garrard back last month when he called, saying he was feeling good. People will say he can serve as a mentor to Smith, but that is overrated. Hire him as the assistant quarterbacks coach if you want him to guide Smith. Don’t waste a roster spot. Mike Tannenbaum ultimately lost his job because he made bad calls on Sanchez (a contract extension) and Tebow (trading for him). Idzik is still in his honeymoon period, so he won’t be fired over anything that happens this season on the field. But he needs to solve the Jets quarterback issue in the offseason or it won’t matter what else he does. One thing Idzik had going for him when he got the GM job was what the Seahawks accomplished last year with Russell Wilson. It looks like a brilliant draft choice that is a credit to Seattle’s front office, of which Idzik was a part. Now, he must hope he can find someone like Wilson for the Jets. Maybe he still believes it’s Smith, but it has not looked like it lately. One thing is for sure — Idzik cannot count on Ryan (if he remains coach) to find a quarterback. Ryan has shown he knows as much about coaching a quarterback as teaching French literature. He stuck with Sanchez until it was too late, ruined Tebow’s NFL career and now seems lost as to what to do to solve the team’s current issues at the position. Idzik inherited plenty of messes when he took this job in January. One of those was at quarterback where Sanchez had to stay because of his salary. But somehow, some way, Idzik made a bad situation even worse. Rex too loyal for own good Rex Ryan is a very loyal person. It’s one of his best qualities as a human being and one of his worst as a head coach. The latest example of this is Ed Reed. There is no denying what Reed has accomplished in his career. He is bound for Canton, Ohio, when he is done playing. The problem is it looks like he’s already done playing. The Jets signed Reed two weeks ago and he has played nearly every snap since. Ryan can say there was no sentimentality involved, but clearly this is a player Ryan has a strong bond with and he pounced at the chance to sign him. It appears Ryan and general manager John Idzik acted hastily, though. Ryan will never concede the point, but Reed got beat for the 66-yard Jacoby Jones touchdown on Sunday against the Ravens. He was playing too shallow and then played the ball terribly. In the process, he got between the receiver and cornerback Dee Milliner, preventing Milliner from having any chance at the ball. But Ryan stuck up for Reed after the game, saying he’d be third on the list of culprits responsible for that touchdown. OK, Rex. Whatever you say. The worst part of Reed playing so much is what it has done to second-year safety Antonio Allen, who showed some positive signs this year (ask Tom Brady). He has been relegated to three snaps against Buffalo and 12 against Baltimore. Any progress Allen was making has been halted by Ryan’s loyalty to Reed. Reed did prevent a touchdown Sunday with a big hit on Jones, but that’s been the only play he has made so far. The 35-year-old is in his final days in the NFL. It feels like Reed in a Jets uniform will go down with Willie Mays as a Met, Patrick Ewing as a SuperSonic or Emmitt Smith as a Cardinal. It’s kind of sad to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 OOH that hurts One thing is for sure — Idzik cannot count on Ryan (if he remains coach) to find a quarterback. Ryan has shown he knows as much about coaching a quarterback as teaching French literature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 OOH that hurts One thing is for sure — Idzik cannot count on Ryan (if he remains coach) to find a quarterback. Ryan has shown he knows as much about coaching a quarterback as teaching French literature. That was actually a stupid statement on Costello's part. It is not even close to Ryan's, or any other NFL HC's, job to find a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I mean I totally agree, we had a new GM and they still get no real competition for the current QB. Where have I heard that before? You have consistency in one place, of the staff, the head coach. So is Rex pulling more strings than we thought? Or, gasp, does Idzik not know personnel as well as we thought? Yeah he got a lucky break on Sheldon Richardson (how interesting, a defensive lineman..), but he absolutely whiffed on Millner, and his pick on offense, Geno, is not good. Unfortunately,we now have to wait, again, to see what the real plan is with a new scouting department and a fresh set of draft picks. I have to be honest though, if there is a bona fide star player, a difference maker, on offense coming onto free agency, then read my lips, **** the pocketbook and go get the damn guy. When you have a star, you can build from there. The whole notion of building through the draft is nice, when you BALANCE your approach in years leading up. We have so many defensive picks that our offense is non-existent. We patiently built up a roster of talent on one side of the ball, and so you need to counterbalance that NOW with an offensive difference maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Idzik made a mistake signing Garrard not just once, but twice. If the Jets had signed someone such as Ryan Fitzpatrick or Jason Campbell in March, he would be starting for the Jets now. You might not think either is any good, but Fitzpatrick or Campbell would be a better option than a struggling Smith as the Jets try to find a way into the playoffs. I think Idzik's done a decent job so far, but this is totally correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillie Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 OOH that hurts One thing is for sure — Idzik cannot count on Ryan (if he remains coach) to find a quarterback. Ryan has shown he knows as much about coaching a quarterback as teaching French literature. LOL ... when I first read this I thought it read ... "Ryan has shown he knows as much about coaching a quarterback as tickling French pedicures." But then, of course, that would be he knows alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I like having Reed, I don't want him having that many snaps. I would be livid with Milliner for deferring. Run that old **** over and go get the ball. I'm not sure how that was supposed to be played, but I wish Milliner went balls out for that ball. He was right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 but he absolutely whiffed on Millner, and his pick on offense, Geno, is not good. milliner is actually playing sorta well. He had a near INT early in the BUF game and seems to be improving, week over week. Geno is an absolute whiff, that guy hasn't done anything good for 6 weeks or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I think Idzik's done a decent job so far, but this is totally correct. How do you define decent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 How do you define decent? /dēsənt/ adj. 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 /dēsənt/ adj. 1. lol. I think he has done a terrible job. Idzik just found out that its not so easy to find good players when Pete Carroll isn't feeding them PEDs for breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Maybe the plan last year was, don't sign any QB competition, so that we could completely tank and build a superteam in the draft this year with a dozen draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Rex loyalty also resulted in Quentin Coples being picked, because "Rex told him he'd take him if he was there". His loyalty is at the heart and soul of what's wrong with our roster, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 milliner is actually playing sorta well. He had a near INT early in the BUF game and seems to be improving, week over week. Geno is an absolute whiff, that guy hasn't done anything good for 6 weeks or more. LOL holy crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I think Idzik's done a decent job so far, but this is totally correct. I care about your opinion. I'm not so sure that isn't just slang for "I agree" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I care about your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Rex loyalty also resulted in Quentin Coples being picked, because "Rex told him he'd take him if he was there". His loyalty is at the heart and soul of what's wrong with our roster, tbh. who would you have taken instead? 16 Quinton Coples Jets DE North Carolina 17 Dre Kirkpatrick Bengals DB Alabama 18 Melvin Ingram Chargers DE South Carolina 19 Shea McClellin Bears DE Boise State 20 Kendall Wright Titans WR Baylor 21 Chandler Jones Patriots DE Syracuse 22 Brandon Weeden Browns QB Oklahoma State 23 Riley Reiff Lions T Iowa 24 David DeCastro Steelers G Stanford 25 Dont'a Hightower Patriots LB Alabama 26 Whitney Mercilus Texans DE Illinois 27 Kevin Zeitler Bengals G Wisconsin 28 Nick Perry Packers DE USC 29 Harrison Smith Vikings DB Notre Dame 30 A.J. Jenkins 49ers WR Illinois 31 Doug Martin Buccaneers RB Boise State 32 David Wilson Giants RB Virginia Tech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 who would you have taken instead? 16 Quinton Coples Jets DE North Carolina 17 Dre Kirkpatrick Bengals DB Alabama 18 Melvin Ingram Chargers DE South Carolina 19 Shea McClellin Bears DE Boise State 20 Kendall Wright Titans WR Baylor 21 Chandler Jones Patriots DE Syracuse 22 Brandon Weeden Browns QB Oklahoma State 23 Riley Reiff Lions T Iowa 24 David DeCastro Steelers G Stanford 25 Dont'a Hightower Patriots LB Alabama 26 Whitney Mercilus Texans DE Illinois 27 Kevin Zeitler Bengals G Wisconsin 28 Nick Perry Packers DE USC 29 Harrison Smith Vikings DB Notre Dame 30 A.J. Jenkins 49ers WR Illinois 31 Doug Martin Buccaneers RB Boise State 32 David Wilson Giants RB Virginia Tech Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Seriously? people make these statements like so and so was a bad pick not all drafts are created equal. ok who would be better? Like the Jets would be awesome if only they drafted Brandon Weeden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 people make these statements like so and so was a bad pick not all drafts are created equal. ok who would be better? Like the Jets would be awesome if only they drafted Brandon Weeden. Chandler Jones has 16.5 sacks in 25 career games. Nick Perry's been injured, but his projections were off the charts. PFF has DeCastro and Zeitler as two of the best guards in the league. Smith helped stabilize one of the worst secondaries in the league before going down. Is that enough, or should we keep going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Without even the hindsight of knowing Sheldon would be a Jet this year, Chandler Jones was the better prospect than Coples. Now we'll probably have to trade Coples this offseason and get 50 cents on the dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Chandler Jones has 16.5 sacks in 25 career games. Nick Perry's been injured, but his projections were off the charts. PFF has DeCastro and Zeitler as two of the best guards in the league. Smith helped stabilize one of the worst secondaries in the league before going down. Is that enough, or should we keep going? Zeitler and Decastro are both right guards, in 2012 the Jets had Brandon Moore coming off a Pro Bowl appearance. Nick Perry has done very little. Smith is injured as is Doug Martin. basically the only name on there is Chandler Jones. 1 name out of the rest of the first round. I don't see Coples as such a bad pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 in 2012 the Jets had Brandon Moore coming off a Pro Bowl appearance. (at the age of 32, with one year left on his contract) Nick Perry has done very little. Perry: 5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles in 12 career games Coples: 7 sacks, 1 forced fumble in 25 career games Smith is injured as is Doug Martin. Smith: 21 career games played Martin: 22 career games played Coples: 25 career games played basically the only name on there is Chandler Jones. 1 name out of the rest of the first round. I don't see Coples as such a bad pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 who would you have taken instead? 16 Quinton Coples Jets DE North Carolina 17 Dre Kirkpatrick Bengals DB Alabama 18 Melvin Ingram Chargers DE South Carolina 19 Shea McClellin Bears DE Boise State 20 Kendall Wright Titans WR Baylor 21 Chandler Jones Patriots DE Syracuse 22 Brandon Weeden Browns QB Oklahoma State 23 Riley Reiff Lions T Iowa 24 David DeCastro Steelers G Stanford 25 Dont'a Hightower Patriots LB Alabama 26 Whitney Mercilus Texans DE Illinois 27 Kevin Zeitler Bengals G Wisconsin 28 Nick Perry Packers DE USC 29 Harrison Smith Vikings DB Notre Dame 30 A.J. Jenkins 49ers WR Illinois 31 Doug Martin Buccaneers RB Boise State 32 David Wilson Giants RB Virginia Tech Chandler Jones was my preference at the time. With hindsight, I'd say Chandler Jones. Maybe Kendall Wright, who I didn't want at the time because I didn't expect us to make a complete mockery of the WR position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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