Warfish Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Geno 2013 Comp Att % Yards TD INT Points Tampa 24 38 63% 256 1 1 18 NE 19 39 49% 185 1 0 10 Buffalo 16 29 55% 331 2 2 27 Totals (2-1) 59 106 56% 772 4 3 55 Geno 2014 Comp Att % Yards TD INT Points Oakland 23 28 82% 221 1 1 19 Green Bay 16 32 50% 176 1 1 24 Bears 26 43 60% 316 1 2 19 Totals (1-2) 65 103 63% 713 3 4 62 Fitz 2015 Comp Att % Yards TD INT Points Browns 15 24 63% 179 2 1 31 Colts 22 34 65% 244 2 1 20 Eagles 35 58 60% 283 2 3 17 Totals (2-1) 72 116 62% 706 6 5 68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 If I didn't already know your opinions on this matter, I'd be hard pressed to figure out what you are trying to say. That Fitz.. a vet.. has slightly better #s in the first 3 games than Geno in his first two years in the league? I would guess Geno would even have 68 points if the defense had 11 turnovers in his first 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 9 games and only 1 game with 0 picks oy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 If I didn't already know your opinions on this matter, I'd be hard pressed to figure out what you are trying to say. That Fitz.. a vet.. has slightly better #s in the first 3 games than Geno in his first two years in the league? I would guess Geno would even have 68 points if the defense had 11 turnovers in his first 3 games. I'm refraining so the numbers can speak for themselves, and the forum can view and analyze them. My opinion is irrelevant, the numbers are the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I don't know how you can compare a player's rookie and second year stats with weak offensive skill players, with a 10 year veteran with a talented offensive cast around him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 9 games and only 1 game with 0 picks oy that's pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john461167 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I don't know how you can compare a player's rookie and second year stats with weak offensive skill players, with a 10 year veteran with a talented offensive cast around him... And, here come the excuses. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 I don't know how you can compare a player's rookie and second year stats with weak offensive skill players, with a 10 year veteran with a talented offensive cast around him... You can compare by doing just that. Looking at them, and performing an analysis of them. Dear lord, some of you did graduate high school, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 2013 starting receivers: Santonio Holmes & Jeremy Kerley 2014 starting receivers: Decker and Kerley 2015 starting receivers: Marshall and Decker What effect does that have on your analysis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I'm refraining so the numbers can speak for themselves, and the forum can view and analyze them. My opinion is irrelevant, the numbers are the numbers. That's why I'm slightly confused. You are not a Geno fan, yet Fitz's #s aren't exactly distinguishing himself from Geno. If your point is that the Jets QBs suck, well, yes, they do. But considering your position on the Fitz train, I'm not sure that these #s support your cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 wow very numbers much chart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 That's why I'm slightly confused. You are not a Geno fan, yet Fitz's #s aren't exactly distinguishing himself from Geno. If your point is that the Jets QBs suck, well, yes, they do. But considering your position on the Fitz train, I'm not sure that these #s support your cause. Which is exactly why I would post them, unlike some round here, even if I hold a position/opinion, I respect facts and think that the facts should rule the day. And the facts say Fitz, with a better cast and coach, has only put up VERY slightly better performance, if that, numerically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Which is exactly why I would post them, unlike some round here, even if I hold a position/opinion, I respect facts and think that the facts should rule the day. And the facts say Fitz, with a better cast and coach, has only put up VERY slightly better performance, if that, numerically. I hope the Jets destroy Miami 52-0. But if the Fitz who showed up today shows up in London, and you're Bowles, what do you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 I hope the Jets destroy Miami 52-0. But if the Fitz who showed up today shows up in London, and you're Bowles, what do you do? If you're asking me, I play Fitz till the end, and if he's repeated today's performance, I consider making the switch to Geno after the Bye, and I kiss 2015 goodbye as a competitive season. Which is exactly what I think Bowles will do, well, apart from that kissing goodbye part, that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 If you're asking me, I play Fitz till the end, and if he's repeated today's performance, I consider making the switch to Geno after the Bye, and I kiss 2015 goodbye as a competitive season. Which is exactly what I think Bowles will do, well, apart from that kissing goodbye part, that's just my opinion. Fair enough. I do the same. But if the Fitz we saw today is the Fitz we get most of the season, I don't see Geno as any significant downgrade. The funny thing is that I'm not a Geno guy. Yet on this board I feel like I've become one by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 2013 starting receivers: Santonio Holmes & Jeremy Kerley 2014 starting receivers: Decker and Kerley 2015 starting receivers: Marshall and Decker What effect does that have on your analysis? 2013: Santonio Holmes was a shell of himself and missed a lot of time. Stephen Hill and Clyde Gates played a lot and they picked David Nelson off the street 2014: Decker and Nelson were actually the starters. Decker was in and out with the hamstring issue. The fact that Fitzpatrick only led the offense to 20 points against the Colts despite the fact that he got five turnovers from the defense is pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I see marginal improvement with a better set of weapons and the defense doing a much better job of forcing turnovers. It's not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Fair enough. I do the same. But if the Fitz we saw today is the Fitz we get most of the season, I don't see Geno as any significant downgrade. The funny thing is that I'm not a Geno guy. Yet on this board I feel like I've become one by default. That's why you are posting on a messageboard and not coaching an NFL team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I hope the Jets destroy Miami 52-0. But if the Fitz who showed up today shows up in London, and you're Bowles, what do you do? You show confidence in the guy you named starter going forward 5 days ago. Unless you are a child, then you make a reactionary decision and run back into the arms of the worst QB in the NFL for the prior two years cuz like fans and media n' stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 If I didn't already know your opinions on this matter, I'd be hard pressed to figure out what you are trying to say. That Fitz.. a vet.. has slightly better #s in the first 3 games than Geno in his first two years in the league? I would guess Geno would even have 68 points if the defense had 11 turnovers in his first 3 games. Geno wishes he could score 68 on an IQ test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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