SenorGato Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Quote You didn't read the post correctly. Nowhere was I arguing against keeping Wilk You were, OTOH, saying a whole bunch of stuff about Harrison being so good and important that what actually happens is he gets a well deserved rest ~half of the time the D is on the field. It's yet another gem supported by gut and feel and emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I hope we give Snacks $50 million guaranteed, because that's exactly what this unconscionably stupid fanbase deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: I hope we give Snacks $50 million guaranteed, because that's exactly what this unconscionably stupid fanbase deserves. where do you get that number ? Snacks can be had for about 5-6 mil per so how does 50 mil guaranteed come into the equasion ? Wilk is probably the one looking for 50 mil guaranteed and that's why he's not signed. Also if you sign Wilk for the money he's probably looking for how do you fill other holes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: yeah really ? So play action is dead ? Uuum whyyyy couldn't an offense run the play action, so 90's anyway, off of a running game built off the passing game? Why is it the Panthers, always a solid running team, only became a SB contender when Cam became a top 10 passer? They've had better rushing offenses, better OLs, better pass rushes...Why this year, the one Cam coincidentally becomes an MVP caliber passer and player? It's about the QB and the pass, has been for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just now, SenorGato said: Uuum whyyyy couldn't an offense run the play action, so 90's anyway, off of a running game built off the passing game? Why is it the Panthers, always a solid running team, only became a SB contender when Cam became a top 10 passer? They've had better rushing offenses, better OLs, better pass rushes...Why this year, the one Cam coincidentally becomes an MVP caliber passer and player? It's about the QB and the pass, has been for a while now. lol so 90's ? So a team that could not pass the ball to save their lives just won the SB how is that even possible in you're world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: where do you get that number ? Snacks can be had for about 5-6 mil per so how does 50 mil guaranteed come into the equasion ? Wilk is probably the one looking for 50 mil guaranteed and that's why he's not signed. Also if you sign Wilk for the money he's probably looking for how do you fill other holes ? Where are you getting that? Quote Two years ago, the Jets tried to sign him long-term, with a team source saying that he was offered a three-year contract for $15 million, an offer which he turned down. http://www.metro.us/sports/jets-nose-tackle-damon-harrison-could-be-tough-to-hang-on-to/zsJpak---bTGEgKF7852Jw/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just now, SenorGato said: Where are you getting that? http://www.metro.us/sports/jets-nose-tackle-damon-harrison-could-be-tough-to-hang-on-to/zsJpak---bTGEgKF7852Jw/ He turned down the 3 year for 5 per because he wanted a longer deal with more guaranteed money. Just stop. Snacks can easily be signed its all about the money up front or the guarantee that's what every contract is about these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: lol so 90's ? So a team that could not pass the ball to save their lives just won the SB how is that even possible in you're world By stopping the other team from passing the ball well. The Panthers failed to complete as many passes as the Broncos even attempted, and Newton was sacked and fumbled for what culminated in two TDs....on passing plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Just now, Smashmouth said: Just stop OH, just wanted more money and years...How silly of me, and silly of him to not say so. How many wheelbarrows of money and years would he like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 3 hours ago, SenorGato said: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2015-snap-counts.htm https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct Most people honestly believe alot of things that aren't true or real. I honestly believe in a Bigfoot of some kind. Yes but look at the positions each are playing. It would be a lot more difficult to replace a run stopper as good as Harrison than it is to replace a really good DE. Besides, the Jets already have guys who can replace Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 11 minutes ago, SenorGato said: By stopping the other team from passing the ball. And did Denver do that with a 315 pound slow DE or did they do it with ridiculously fast LB's ?? The same type LB's I propose spending the money we save on Wilk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, SenorGato said: OH, just wanted more money and years...How silly of me, and silly of him to not say so. How many wheelbarrows of money and years would he like? Don't be silly Gato good players want years and guaranteed money and you know it. Anyone in Harrisions place would have turned down that deal and obviously he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 9 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: Don't be silly Gato good players want years and guaranteed money and you know it. Anyone in Harrisions place would have turned down that deal and obviously he did. Which has nothing to do with the Jets wanting to resign him for more, because they don't - obviously. If they did, they would have offered more and/or upped their offer when he turned the first one down. Someone will overpay for a guy who watches ~half the snaps from the sidelines, and it won't be the Jets. 13 minutes ago, Freemanm said: Yes but look at the positions each are playing. It would be a lot more difficult to replace a run stopper as good as Harrison than it is to replace a really good DE. Besides, the Jets already have guys who can replace Mo It's not easier to replace a good DE than a good giant, immobile DT ineffective against the pass. That's why those guys don't get big money. 11 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: And did Denver do that with a 315 pound slow DE or did they do it with ridiculously fast LB's ?? The same type LB's I propose spending the money we save on Wilk. They also have a corner who has ranked in the top 3 at his position for 3 years now, one of the best #2 CBs in football with Talib, and probably the best non-Seahawks safety duo in the league with Ward and Stewart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 saw this.. ~ ~ 10. The inexact science: A couple of thousand NFL types (coaches, scouts, doctors, et al) are spending a week in Indianapolis to evaluate 300-plus college prospects, analyzing everything from 40-yard dashes to X-rays. And you know what? They still make mistakes. Every so often a player like Damon Harrison comes along, someone who defies the system. A few days ago, he tweeted his thoughts on the combine, perfectly capturing the scouting business : Damon Harrison ✔@BigDame900 Time my heart, not my 40. Measure my passion, not my height. Weigh my desire to be great, not my body. Can't measure what not many have. Harrison played at William Penn University, an NAIA school in Iowa, and wasn't invited to the combine. Now the defensive tackle is about to hit the jackpot in free agency. > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/58635/colin-kaepernick-to-jets-dont-bet-your-mortgage-or-anything-else-on-it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer At some point over the next 24 hours, the Jets will announce they're using the franchise tag on DE Muhammad Wilkerson. This means they can't prevent NT Damon Harrison, a pending free agent, from hitting the open market. They want to keep him, but Big Snacks will have plenty of suitors. > http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 2 down run stuffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I guess we give Kenrick Ellis another shot he wasn't bad when he was here he just wasn't as good as Snacks. paul Solai is another option the Falcons just cut him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 WOW!!!! Posted 5 hours ago · Report post 6 hours ago, drdetroit said: So bye bye Snacks. How do we replace him? Maybe give Kenrick Ellis another shot? He was decent when he was here just not as good as Snacks. The Falcons just cut Solai maybe he's a possibilit um . . . . your answer is stated below: On February 21, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Gas2No99 said: Jets Practice video: http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/Deon-Simon/149a3300-d0c9-44cc-a429-05302ccd37e9 18 hours ago, Gas2No99 said: Repeat after me Jets fan: HELLO DEON SIMON. I don't get WHY people are fretting over losing Snacks as if his position is not one of the MORE REPLACEABLE ones on a 3-4 defense?!?! Resign Kenrick Ellis who was cut by the Giants by TC after signing a FA deal and was not picked up until Late October by a desperate Vikings team 3 weeks later because Minny lost their other DT to IR ? Paul Soliai a 32 year old wash up?!?!?! Your NEXT NG for the 2016 Jets most likely will be DEON SIMON PEOPLE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Larz said: 2 down run stuffer If you want to play and blitz on 3rd and long, it's good to have a run stuffer to get you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 1 minute ago, chirorob said: If you want to play and blitz on 3rd and long, it's good to have a run stuffer to get you there. they have leo, mo and sheldumb, they are ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Larz said: they have leo, mo and sheldumb, they are ok Who of those 3 do you want to play the nose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 This thread is so depressing. What has football come to that we can't keep the defensive line together. Imagine if we had to break up klecko, gastaneu and Abdul salaam? Imagine such a thread - who do we retain, salaam the run stuffer or gastineau the pass rusher? There is no continuity of roster as we continue to root for laundry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 12 minutes ago, chirorob said: Who of those 3 do you want to play the nose? I'd be interested in NT snaps looking like this: 65-75% cheap run stuffers 25-35% Wilkerson in obvious pass situations Honestly wouldn't be stunned it if looked something like that over the past few years anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 WATCH : How Jets franchise tag on Mo Wilkerson impacts Damon Harrison Now that the Jets have applied the franchise tag to defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson — a long-expected move — where does that leave nose tackle Damon Harrison? Well, Harrison is set to become a free agent on March 9, when the new league year begins. Unless, that is, Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan can sign him to a new contract before then.The clock is ticking for Maccagnan, because March 7 (next Monday) is the beginning of the legal tampering period. From then until the start of free agency on March 9, agents of pending free agents can legally negotiate with all teams. 2016 NFL mock draft, post-Super Bowl edition So this week is a big one for Maccagnan, because he pretty much still has exclusive negotiating rights with Harrison and his agents, Tom Condon and R.J. Gonser, of the powerful Creative Artists Agency.For more on Harrison's situation — and how it could impact the Jets' salary cap — check out the video up top. > http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/03/jets_franchise_tag_mo_wilkerson_what_it_means_for.html#incart_river_index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 9, 2016 Author Share Posted March 9, 2016 A new (league) year's eve update on the New York Jets : 1. Giants nibbling on Snacks: Nose tackle Damon Harrison is a popular guy, having drawn interest from several teams. One of those teams is the New York Giants, who still need help up front even with the return of Jason Pierre-Paul. Colleague Dan Graziano explains why Snacks makes sense for Big Blue.The Jets want to re-sign Harrison, but there's a good chance he will be out of their price range. He's seeking more than $6 million per year, which is steep for a two-down run stuffer, albeit a very good one. rest of above article : > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/58859/free-agent-nt-damon-snacks-harrison-on-giants-radar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Heartbreaking. Like when we lost Mike Devito. Or Sionhe Pouha. Uh, may be not. DT/NT not that big a deal with the rest of the DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 Their leading rusher: Gone. Their top run-stuffing defensive lineman: Gone. Make no mistake, the New York Jets have suffered a couple of big hits in free agency, losing Chris Ivory and Damon Harrison, but there's no reason to start questioning general manager Mike Maccagnan. You can't build a championship football team by overspending for a 28-year-old running back or a defensive lineman who doesn't play on third down, which is exactly what the Jacksonville Jaguars and New York Giants did by signing Ivory and Harrison, respectively. The Jets will miss both players, especially Harrison, but this isn't 2015 anymore. Their cap space is almost dried up, and most of the league is spending wildly for less-than-elite talent. The Jets are caught in a tough spot. It's frustrating for the fan base, but the best teams (usually) are the ones that behave conservatively in the free-agent market.New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick was so fired up for the start of free agency that he attended the Alabama pro day. Denver Broncos vice president John Elway told Brock Osweiler, his handpicked successor to Peyton Manning, to take a hike because he wanted too much money. Rather than throwing crazy money at players who don't deserve it, these two organizations are being patient. There's a time to spend (see: Denver, 2014) and a time to chill. The Jets replaced Ivory by agreeing to a deal with Matt Forte, 30, who is two years older than Ivory but more cost-effective. (Contract details aren't available yet, but it has to be less than the $12.75 million Ivory will receive over his first two years in Jacksonville.) There are still some moving parts at running back, but the Forte addition suggests they might transition to a backfield-by-committee, comprised of multipurpose threats. If they can re-sign Bilal Powell, they'd have two runners with pass-catching abilities. It'll open up the playbook for coordinator Chan Gailey. Don't judge a GM on the first 24 hours of free agency. Let it play out. Clearly, Maccagnan's No. 1 priority is resolving the Ryan Fitzpatrick situation. If he loses his quarterback, he'd better have a rock-solid Plan B. They need a nose tackle to replace Harrison. Akiem Hicks is on their radar, but there are other options, including a deep draft pool. You hate to lose good players, but sometimes you have to take the next-man-up philosophy, believing in your coaching staff.For the Maccagnan, the key will be bargain-shopping to address needs and drafting well. Championships aren't won in March. If they were, the Jets would have more rings than Tom Brady. > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/58920/jets-absorb-a-couple-of-hits-in-free-agency-but-its-no-time-to-panic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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