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Paradis

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7 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

First of all Hill was a mistake of Mike Tannenbaum and not Mike Maccagnan so ANY comparison or grading of the pick is not even applicable here. Different regime altogether. That's like comparing Kyle Wilson to Dee Milliner to Dexter McDougle. Each was a missed CB from a different GM. 

thanks captain obvious. If i didn't make it clear the first time around -- i was making an example in general. Applicable to any GM of any Team. I understand your need to distinguish that Macc isn't subject to the criticisms of Tanny, but try to read between the lines of the point i'm making. 

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5 minutes ago, C Mart said:

At least four of the teams in the top six (San Francisco, Chicago, Tennessee, Jets) are very open to moving down. The issue is finding a team that wants to move up, which is why those teams need buzz to build on Fournette and the QBs.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/13/jared-goff-los-angeles-rams-sean-mcvay-nfl-minicamp

If In fact the Browns are considering Trubisky at  1 overall, then the Jets need to force the issue with them if he's there at 6 or even if he's not . Either force them to trade up ahead of us for Trubisky or force them to deal with us for him .  Trade with us or we take the player you really want .  It's time this franchise show same "sand" and make a power play .

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1 minute ago, Tinstar said:

If In fact the Browns are considering Trubisky at  1 overall, then the Jets need to force the issue with them if he's there at 6 or even if he's not . Either force them to trade up ahead of us for Trubisky or force them to deal with us for him .  Trade with us or we take the player you really want .  It's time this franchise show same "sand" and make a power play .

I hear what you are saying, but the beauty of having the #1 pick is that nobody can take the player you want in front of you. Only the Browns could make this hard. They really need Kevin Costner to reprise his Draft Day sequence.:D

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17 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

If In fact the Browns are considering Trubisky at  1 overall, then the Jets need to force the issue with them if he's there at 6 or even if he's not . Either force them to trade up ahead of us for Trubisky or force them to deal with us for him .  Trade with us or we take the player you really want .  It's time this franchise show same "sand" and make a power play .

Trubisky will be there at 12.  If the Browns are really interested, they can get him there.

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What should the Jets do with the 6th overall pick?

by Matt Williamson 1h ago

Brad Penner / USA TODAY Sports

Matt Williamson is a former scout for the Cleveland Browns, and spent the last 10 years at ESPN as a scout and co-host of the podcast "Football Today."

There isn't an organization in the NFL that is worse off than the Jets right now. For the most part, New York has taken the smart approach this offseason. In a similar fashion to what Cleveland did one year ago, this organization realizes that they are not close. They didn't put a Band-Aid on this gaping wound. Instead, they are taking the slow, steady approach, realizing this is going to be a very long and painstaking rebuild in the Big Apple.

Unlike the Browns, however, the Jets aren't loaded with draft capital, although their compensatory pick in round three will certainly be useful. Over the next few years, maybe the top goal of this organization should be to build their draft equity, as Cleveland has done extremely well over the past year or so.

With Josh McCown added to the mix, it appears as though the Jets are set to use him as a fallback plan and immediate mentor, with the hope that Bryce Petty, or, hopefully, Christian Hackenberg begins the season as the starting quarterback. At a minimum, the Jets need to give these two youngsters a full season to see what they are capable of. You can't throw in the towel on Hackenberg after a season of inactivity.

New York is going to be one of the worst teams in the NFL this year, even if Petty or Hackenberg "Hits." Therefore, the Jets should be very much in the running for a top quarterback very early in next year's draft. Taking a quarterback this year with the sixth overall pick would be unwise, especially when considering the equity you have invested in Hackenberg as well as the poor supporting cast the rookie would be thrust into.

If they love a quarterback and can't believe he is still on the board at six, fine, you don't pass on franchise quarterbacks. But the reality is that that scenario seems really unlikely with this shaky crop of incoming rookie quarterbacks.

Instead, the Jets must start building a strong and deep young nucleus. Their needs are great. And their needs are many. With the exception of their big men on defense and running back (which could come next year), there isn’t an area of this team that New York shouldn’t look to add to in a big way with youth and upside.

If we operate under the assumption that Todd Bowles is here for the long term, which is how you have to approach this if you are the current regime, then a premium has to be placed on defensive backs, especially man coverage cornerbacks. In Arizona, Bowles had Patrick Peterson and in New York, the Jets invested heavily in Darrelle Revis to play the Peterson role. A true No. 1 cornerback to shadow the opponent’s best wide receiver is a staple of Bowles’ defensive philosophy.

Taking it even further, when he has the proper personnel for his scheme, Bowles is going to employ a very large number of defensive backs on the field as well as blitzing as often as any defensive play caller in the game today. Of course every team covets edge pass-rushers, and the Jets need upgrades at that spot, but in this scheme, a No. 1 cornerback as well as many defensive backs of all shapes and sizes are what is required.

Offensively, the Jets need wide receiver help and Eric Decker still could end up playing elsewhere in 2017. The tight end position is barren. But most importantly in this rebuild (outside of quarterback obviously) is the offensive line. As the Browns have built and what Dak Prescott fell into in Dallas, having an upper-tier offensive line (in an offensive line starved league) is the best way to acclimate a young passer ... whenever that day does come. The Jets line is littered with needs.

In this deep draft class, New York should entertain offers to trade down and add picks. This is true in every round. They need to be working the phones.

But if a proper trade down situation isn’t in the cards when New York is on the clock with the sixth overall pick, there are a few options that make sense. Unfortunately, going offensive line isn’t really an option in round one and that is also a little on the early side for drafting Corey Davis or O.J. Howard.

So this pick is most likely going to be used on defense. Myles Garrett will be gone. Jamal Adams and Solomon Thomas also will most likely be off the board in the top five selections. Adams would be really hard for the Jets to pass on, but so would Marshon Lattimore, who could profile as that true No. 1 cornerback that Bowles covets. Malik Hooker as a deep eraser in a blitz-heavy scheme also would make a lot of sense.

The worst-case scenario is that Garrett, Adams, Thomas, Lattimore, and Hooker all go in the top five. Those are the names the Jets really should be considering. But, trading down might be the best option of all.

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1282586?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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On 4/10/2017 at 4:38 AM, SickJetFan said:

and btw Seattle are not luckier than everyone else in league in their drafting.  They just have good scouts, coach who recruited, and great teachers...something I was arguing for in the Idziot years...there are posts in JN from me about that subject from years ago.  Which btw we have some of now with Macc and his scouts I think are above average although this draft is their make or break and we have crap teaching but I am optimistic in the new coach\teachers hires especially around QB.

This is the part that many people overlook when talking about the Seahawks.  Carroll spent 9 years in college "developing" players.  He worked on recruiting players and setting a multiple year plan for them to reach their potential as college players.  He set them up to be able to have sustained success over the course of their college careers.  He implemented much of the same ideas when he moved to Seattle.  His competition mantra comes from having new players at almost every position every year challenging the returning players for playing time, doesn't matter if you were recruited or a walk-on.  He always saw the bigger picture of setting up USC for long term success rather than just that season.

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Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN)

4/18/17, 8:50 PM

J. Adams could do everything M. Hooker can do IF asked to play that role. The same could not be said the other way around. #context

Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN)

4/18/17, 8:54 PM

I wonder if half the people who talk about "ball skills" really even know what it means and how you accurately judge it.....

"Range" for a safety is NOT just about speed. It's also anticipation/guessing in relationship to QB indicators, and scheme/opportunity.

How many snaps did Jamal Adams play in man coverage, with a safety MOF, and covering WR's? A LOT.

Malik is a good center fielder. I will give him that. No doubt. But he could NOT do what Jamal does as a coverage player nearly as well.

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