#27TheDominator Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: No. Next year, if he misses the QB pick. I've said this a few ties In order to decide if a GM deserves to be fired you will trust them with what is, quite likely, the biggest single NFL asset in over a decade? To get to the point where he has this asset, he has had to decimate the roster to the point where the Jets are the worst team in the NFL. Their best players were not injured, they simply entered the season as front runners for #1 overall. Do you see the logical flaw in this plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 25 minutes ago, gEYno said: Ok - we've reached a point where you are literally too stupid to continue to debate with. All done. I got to this point 18 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Spoot-Face said: What players has Macc picked that gives you comfort in giving him another opportunity like the one we are facing next draft? I'll take my chances with the devil you know rather than the devil you don't. And he has not failed with his top ten picks. Williams and Adams are good players. That gives me confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: NFL Executive of the Year awards prolong stays. Winning seasons prolong a stay. His first year allows him this field Going to give you a little lesson: Awards are meaningless. Being able to look at a winning season, see the who, what, when, where and why is what makes a good GM. The failure of this one was brought boldly into focus with the handling of Fitzpatrick last year. Then, Fitzpatrick's 2016 performance cemented the fact that this man should not be allowed to use the #1 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: I'll take my chances with the devil you know rather than the devil you don't. And he has not failed with his top ten picks. Williams and Adams are good players. That gives me confidence Exactly how much have you been abused in your life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: I got to this point 18 months ago. Yeah, I don't know why I'm even bothering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Spoot-Face said: Exactly how much have you been abused in your life? WTF are you talking about? See here, when I make a solid point, people revert to insults. Misery can't be punctured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: In order to decide if a GM deserves to be fired you will trust them with what is, quite likely, the biggest single NFL asset in over a decade? To get to the point where he has this asset, he has had to decimate the roster to the point where the Jets are the worst team in the NFL. Their best players were not injured, they simply entered the season as front runners for #1 overall. Do you see the logical flaw in this plan? The thing is - Macc could still suck and hit a homerun with Darnold and Rosen. I'd pick Darnold and/or Rosen too. It's not like this is hard. Nor was taking Williams or Adams. A GM needs to be capable of doing more than taking the consensus BAP with a high pick they earned for having a bad team. All GMs can do that. Good GMs turn late 1st round picks into assets that aren't Darron Lee. They also turn second round picks into assets that aren't Devin Smith and Christian Hackenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, gEYno said: The thing is - Macc could still suck and hit a homerun with Darnold and Rosen. I'd pick Darnold and/or Rosen too. It's not like this is hard. Nor was taking Williams or Adams. A GM needs to be capable of doing more than taking the consensus BAP with a high pick they earned for having a bad team. All GMs can do that. Good GMs turn late 1st round picks into assets that aren't Darron Lee. They also turn second round picks into assets that aren't Devin Smith and Christian Hackenberg. So Ryan Grigson still has a job because...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: You can hold two differing ideals and feelings in your mind per F. Scott Fitzgerald You can be happy and content and complain. My Bowles comment is an observation and a complaint. Nope. Not your mind. 13 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I am logically correct. If you're not going to get a guy who's better? why fire him? Nope. The goal was to hire a good GM. If you change the standard to "better than Idzik" then you can in fact achieve that, but still fail to hire z good GM. Which is where we are. Logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: I got to this point 18 months ago. I feel like if we were all better at walking away from train wrecks, we'd have a lot more free time on Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: WTF are you talking about? See here, when I make a solid point, people revert to insults. Misery can't be punctured Yeah, I guess we should just be content with the misery like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: Who am I allowed to blame for this thread existing; Bowles, Macc, or God? F. Scott Fitzgerald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 And by the way geyno, Idzik took Milliner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Spoot-Face said: Yeah, I guess we should just be content with the misery like you. you would feel better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: So Ryan Grigson still has a job because...... Colts fired him. 16 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Until it can be safely said that Maccagnan cant do the job We're on pace for a zero win season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Integrity28 said: Colts fired him. We're on pace for a zero win season. And now he's with the Browns. He still has a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: So Ryan Grigson still has a job because...... Because someone saw some value in him in a different role? I imagine Macc will also get another job in the NFL too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: you would feel better I'd rather just simply masturbate. Gives the same effect. I still want to see this team become a powerhouse. I'm not content with "eh, he's better than that last a$$hole". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: NFL Executive of the Year awards prolong stays. Winning seasons prolong a stay. His first year allows him this field Whofans, you're straight slaying the haters as always. Just out of curiousity, do you know who votes for Executive of the Year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: And now he's with the Browns. He still has a job So does Idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, gEYno said: Macc, heading into his 3rd year, has potentially the worst team in the league. Josh McCown is the QB. Matt Forte is the RB. There is no pass rusher. There are no offensive play makers. There's no talent at CB. The team has a legitimate chance at the #1 overall pick. This team is literally no better than when he took it over. Most of the draft picks have been bad. Macc is within the Idzik margin of error. Mac is actually in pace to do worse than Idzik. Both horrid at drafting, but at least Idzik was smart enough to go subversive with Rex, which spurred him to win games to spite Idzik. Mac hasn't done anything to get Bowles to be any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, gEYno said: Because someone saw some value in him in a different role? I imagine Macc will also get another job in the NFL too. And then of course the big problemwith getting rid of Maccagnan is the feat that Woody will go back to a bean counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: Yeah, I don't know why I'm even bothering. Sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: And then of course the big problemwith getting rid of Maccagnan is the feat that Woody will go back to a bean counter. You call us all miserable, but I think you are truly way more scared than the rest of us. It's not your fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: Sport. Yeah, it is actually quite fun! I see why you do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Spoot-Face said: You call us all miserable, but I think you are truly way more scared than the rest of us. It's not your fault. I might be, but I am also not wasting my major time and my energy on this. So at the end of the day, I don't care as much you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: And now he's with the Browns. He still has a job lol, he could be flipping burgers and still have a job. Getting fired for being s sh*t GM doesn't prohibit him from ever working again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Colts fired him. But... Executive of the Year 2012 — Ryan Grigson, Indianapolis Colts 2013 — John Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs 2014 — Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys 2015 — Mike Maccagnan, New York Jets How can that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, #27TheDominator said: But... Executive of the Year 2012 — Ryan Grigson, Indianapolis Colts 2013 — John Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs 2014 — Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys 2015 — Mike Maccagnan, New York Jets How can that be? And how much time did he get? 5 years. So therefore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I might be, but I am also not wasting my major time and my energy on this. So at the end of the day, I don't care as much you do. What is your major? Don't say English Lit, Shane's head will explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: I might be, but I am also not wasting my major time and my energy on this. So at the end of the day, I don't care as much you do. 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: I am also not wasting my major time and my energy on this. So at the end of the day, I don't care as much you do. 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: not wasting my major time and my energy on this. 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: not wasting my major time and my energy on this. 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I don't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Ira from Staten Island is a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: And then of course the big problemwith getting rid of Maccagnan is the feat that Woody will go back to a bean counter. More nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: You call us all miserable, but I think you are truly way more scared than the rest of us. It's not your fault. Oh man, ive done the "it's not your fault" troll to one of these ****tards in the past... good times 3 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: Yeah, it is actually quite fun! I see why you do it! An ape can only be entertained by peeing into his own mouth for so long... must have variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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