Marcus McNeil - Better than D'Brickshaw Ferguson

[PeterNorth09]

I watched him at Auburn and I got to tell you this guy is demon. He's 6'7, 340 lbs and has a 5.07 40 time. He's bigger, faster and stronger than Ferguson. One of the greatest run blockers I have ever seen. He mowed people down for Caddillac Williams and Ronnie Brown. He is also a tremendous pass blocker.

Best part - he may be available at that Denver #22 pick. If that Abe trade does in fact go through we'll have a shot at this guy.

[bitonti]

he might be bigger but i don't know about faster than Ferguson. His feet aren't as good as Brick's that's for certain. Also there are rumors about a janky back, it depends on how his medical exams went at the Combine as to where he goes. I agree he's very very good and arguably worth top 10.

[PeterNorth09]

His 40 time was better than Ferguson's at the combine. Footwork can be taught and McNeill already does have very good footwork.

He's definitely a superior run blocker to Ferguson.

[shutout]

His 40 time was better than Ferguson's at the combine.

Not much of an accomplishment since Ferguson didn't work out at the combine.

Mcneill is a good prospect though. If I remember correctly,he didn't allow a single sack in his college career, and is an absolute monster of a man. His back scares me,but not enough to pass on him should he be there at #35 since D'Brick will probably go to Tennessee right before us.

I'd still take D'brick over him every day of the week.

[Sharrow]

McNeal will be a RT so you have to look at him differently than the top LT. We certainly need a RT, but I don't know if we should pass on a player like Ferguson.

[PeterNorth09]

From watching McNeill in college and the scouting reports, McNeill can play both LT and RT.

McNeill's 40 time is 5.07. Ferguson's is 5.10. I understand 40 time isn't everything but if a guy has a faster 40 time than you he is more likely than not just as quick if not quicker than you.

The rumors about the back are just that, rumors. Let me see some evidence and I'm not talking about a sentence you saw weeks ago on draftpoopchute.com.

[The Troll]

From watching McNeill in college and the scouting reports, McNeill can play both LT and RT.

McNeill's 40 time is 5.07. Ferguson's is 5.10. I understand 40 time isn't everything but if a guy has a faster 40 time than you he is more likely than not just as quick if not quicker than you.

The rumors about the back are just that, rumors. Let me see some evidence and I'm not talking about a sentence you saw weeks ago on draftpoopchute.com.

So, you are mandating we pass up the guy who is UNANIMOUSLY heralded as the top tackle in this draft, because another OFFENSIVE LINEMAN ran a 40 3-tenths of a second faster than him?

This is the hardest you've ever reached, Foley. You don't draft offensive linemen based on their ****ing 40-times.

[stormshadow19]

So, you are mandating we pass up the guy who is UNANIMOUSLY heralded as the top tackle in this draft, because another OFFENSIVE LINEMAN ran a 40 3-tenths of a second faster than him?

This is the hardest you've ever reached, Foley. You don't draft offensive linemen based on their ****ing 40-times.

I think that they're just trying way too hard to be the devil's advocate. I mean, that's what made Foley so damned annoying. That and starting a thousand threads.

[serphnx]

So, you are mandating we pass up the guy who is UNANIMOUSLY heralded as the top tackle in this draft, because another OFFENSIVE LINEMAN ran a 40 3-tenths of a second faster than him?

This is the hardest you've ever reached, Foley. You don't draft offensive linemen based on their ****ing 40-times.

No, I'm saying we use the later first round or the second rounder to get McNeill. I don't think we need to take him with our 4th. McNeill fills a greater need for us as well, since we don't even have an RT at all. We have Adrian Jones at LT for now.

[PeterNorth09]

So, you are mandating we pass up the guy who is UNANIMOUSLY heralded as the top tackle in this draft, because another OFFENSIVE LINEMAN ran a 40 3-tenths of a second faster than him?

Can you please take Mel Kiper's nutsack out of your mouth?

I doubt you watched McNeill at Auburn and, for that matter, Ferguson until recently. This guy is bigger, stronger, more physical than Ferguson and, yes, he is faster too.

I bet in 2000 you were one of those guys who were pushing for the Jets to trade up for Peter Warrick because all of the scouts were making him out to be the next Jerry Rice and we needed a receiver.

I'm sure you creamed your panties about Robert Gallery, Leonard Davis and the rest of the "sure things" that scouts have been wrong about over the years. This isn't the nba where it is so easy to tell who has the best talent. Especially at a position like Offensive Tackle where so many good players in the country get overlooked.

[YJF]

I watched him at Auburn and I got to tell you this guy is demon. He's 6'7, 340 lbs and has a 5.07 40 time. He's bigger, faster and stronger than Ferguson. One of the greatest run blockers I have ever seen. He mowed people down for Caddillac Williams and Ronnie Brown. He is also a tremendous pass blocker.

Best part - he may be available at that Denver #22 pick. If that Abe trade does in fact go through we'll have a shot at this guy.

This is a great draft at OT and Marcus McNeil is a Willie Roaf type player. Only issue with him is his back. I watched him at the combine run his 40 and more importantly in position drills and he was extremely impressive. If it wasn't for McNeil's back, which alot of scouts fear could be a long term issue. He'd be a lock for the top 15. There are also teams that feel that he is not left tackle material.

Ferguson and Winston Justice grade higher because they are healthy and project as left tackle prospects.

[shutout]

Can you please take Mel Kiper's nutsack out of your mouth?

I doubt you watched McNeill at Auburn and, for that matter, Ferguson until recently. This guy is bigger, stronger, more physical than Ferguson and, yes, he is faster too.

I bet in 2000 you were one of those guys who were pushing for the Jets to trade up for Peter Warrick because all of the scouts were making him out to be the next Jerry Rice and we needed a receiver.

I'm sure you creamed your panties about Robert Gallery, Leonard Davis and the rest of the "sure things" that scouts have been wrong about over the years. This isn't the nba where it is so easy to tell who has the best talent. Especially at a position like Offensive Tackle where so many good players in the country get overlooked.

Because,as we all know,if you like a consensus top prospect in any draft,that means you always just like the names that Kiper throws out. You only have your own opinion about prospects if you disagree with Kiper and other experts and agree with Foley.

Ferguson is the top Tackle prospect in this draft. This is not debateable,despite what you think.

[The Troll]

Can you please take Mel Kiper's nutsack out of your mouth?

I doubt you watched McNeill at Auburn and, for that matter, Ferguson until recently. This guy is bigger, stronger, more physical than Ferguson and, yes, he is faster too.

I bet in 2000 you were one of those guys who were pushing for the Jets to trade up for Peter Warrick because all of the scouts were making him out to be the next Jerry Rice and we needed a receiver.

I'm sure you creamed your panties about Robert Gallery, Leonard Davis and the rest of the "sure things" that scouts have been wrong about over the years. This isn't the nba where it is so easy to tell who has the best talent. Especially at a position like Offensive Tackle where so many good players in the country get overlooked.

In the past, haven't you praised the hell out of Mario Williams and Vince Young, two Kiper darlings that I bash on a consistent basis? Maybe YOU should remove his balls from YOUR chin.

And, no I never watched McNeil at Auburn at all. I only live in SEC COUNTRY. I've seen Marcus McNeil play more times than you have.

And, BTW, I noticed you convieniently ignored my post yesterday where I showed offensive tackles and defensive lineman that have went in the top ten over the past 10 years. Only ONE offensive tackle (Mike Williams) can be considered an out and out bust. It's funny how you are quick to label Robert Gallery as a bust, while you love Eli Manning, who's QB rating was two points higher than Brooks Bollinger's last season.

[Barton]

I have seen both play, Brick is better. And has much better feet.

McNeil has a high ceiling too but not at LT imo.

If his back is troubled I wouldnt touch him.

[Bugg]

Cannot say I've seen much of MCNeil. But D'brick impresses me a bunch. He's not a fatbody at all, so he can add 20-30 lbs. of solid muscle over the next few years. Great footwork, runs and pass blocks equally well. He's in that Ogden/Pace/Samuel mode, and that's what the Jets need right now at LT. If he's there it's close to a no-brainer.

Adrian Jones is a decent , not spectacular, tackle. He essentialy replaces departed Jason Fabini. And we have Kendall. Unless you ascribe to Jones Superman qualities, he cannot by himself play 4 slots on the OL. So basically the Jets figure to have 3 open spots on the OL. Unless you want to see the QB, who ever that may be, waving towels on the sidelines instead of playing, along with defensive fronts stuffing our geriatric feature warrior back, those spots have to be filled in either the draft of free agency. D'Brick would be a very good first step.

And call me crazy-wasn't Foley/Petey Porno until recently advocating waiting until the later rounds to get our OL guys -until it was shown that if you do that(as Bradway and Edwards too often did in their misguided zeal for spending early and midrounders on marginal DL and DB guys) you get stuck picking through some more sloppy thirds Yovonitz/Cvaka type dreg carcasses? So at least that's progress in a way.

[PeterNorth09]

Only ONE offensive tackle (Mike Williams) can be considered an out and out bust. It's funny how you are quick to label Robert Gallery as a bust, while you love Eli Manning, who's QB rating was two points higher than Brooks Bollinger's last season.

Let's do a poll on this site, who would Jets fans rather have as their quarterback? Eli Manning or Brooks Bollinger?

Funny how Robert Gallery and Adrian Jones both came out in the same draft. Gallery was the #2 pick overall and considered to be the franchise who would solidify Oakland's left side for the next decade. Jones was nobody in the 4th Round.

Now, you can make a very solid argument that Adrian Jones is a better pro than Robert "Franchise LT" Gallery.

Manning or Bollinger? Jones or Gallery?

[serphnx]

Let's do a poll on this site, who would Jets fans rather have as their quarterback? Eli Manning or Brooks Bollinger?

Funny how Robert Gallery and Adrian Jones both came out in the same draft. Gallery was the #2 pick overall and considered to be the franchise who would solidify Oakland's left side for the next decade. Jones was nobody in the 4th Round.

Now, you can make a very solid argument that Adrian Jones is a better pro than Robert "Franchise LT" Gallery.

Manning or Bollinger? Jones or Gallery?

Only if you are on drugs. They played Gallery out of position too didn't they? Adrian Jones can barely play LT, Gallery's RT play is better than Jones LT play.

Go make the poll, it'll be intersting to see the results.

[PeterNorth09]

Only if you are on drugs. They played Gallery out of position too didn't they? Adrian Jones can barely play LT, Gallery's RT play is better than Jones LT play.

Go make the poll, it'll be intersting to see the results.

I hate to break it to you but Gallery sucks.

Here is a short list of the talent the Oakland Raiders passed up for Gallery:

Larry Fitzgerald

Ben Roethlisberger

Roy Williams

Jonathan Vilma

Michael Clayton

Vince Wilfork

Steven Jackson

Yep, Oakland did a great job passing up all those guys over Robert Gallery. No wonder they were 4-12 this year.

[The Troll]

Let's do a poll on this site, who would Jets fans rather have as their quarterback? Eli Manning or Brooks Bollinger?

Funny how Robert Gallery and Adrian Jones both came out in the same draft. Gallery was the #2 pick overall and considered to be the franchise who would solidify Oakland's left side for the next decade. Jones was nobody in the 4th Round.

Now, you can make a very solid argument that Adrian Jones is a better pro than Robert "Franchise LT" Gallery.

Manning or Bollinger? Jones or Gallery?

Of course, they would rather have Eli. You'd have to be an idiot not to. However, Eli still hasn't proved jack ****. If you can call Gallery, who has been playing out of position with a TERRIBLE head coach, a bust, then you can at least consider Eli a major disappointment. Personally, I don't think two years is long enough to judge ANYONE.

[PeterNorth09]

Of course, they would rather have Eli. You'd have to be an idiot not to. However, Eli still hasn't proved jack ****. If you can call Gallery, who has been playing out of position with a TERRIBLE head coach, a bust, then you can at least consider Eli a major disappointment. Personally, I don't think two years is long enough to judge ANYONE.

You have to be one of the most fickle fans I have ever seen. In his second year Eli took a team that was 2 years ago 4-12 into the playoffs as winners of the NFC East.

He has a bad playoff game against Carolina, a better team with a stacked defense, and now all of a sudden he's a major disappointment.

But hey, you think Patrick Ramsey is better than Daunte Culpeper so obviously football ain't your thing.

[The Troll]

You have to be one of the most fickle fans I have ever seen. In his second year Eli took a team that was 2 years ago 4-12 into the playoffs as winners of the NFC East.

He has a bad playoff game against Carolina, a better team with a stacked defense, and now all of a sudden he's a major disappointment.

But hey, you think Patrick Ramsey is better than Daunte Culpeper so obviously football ain't your thing.

Completing 53% of your passes for the season and throwing 10 touchdowns and 12 interceptions in the last 8 games of the season is not exactly lighting the world on fire. The Giants made it to the playoffs in spite of Eli, not BECAUSE of Eli. BTW, nice twist on my words. I did not say Eli was a major disappointment, I said that two years isn't long enough to judge ANY young player. Since YOU are so quick to label a guy who's been playing out of position a bust, you should only admit Eli doesn't look so hot.

[Greensince69]

Keeping on the subject Brick is better suited to play lt in the nfl. DE lineman have gotten lighter and faster and more mobile skilled faster are the way to combat the added speed of edge rushers. If you are going with the hog theory you want to use it more at your guards to open up the running game and get a standoff at the line with the space eating ted washington type.

If we stay at 5 neither brick or super mario would make me unhappy. I would still rather trade down for more picks. We need to fill a lot of needs here.

[Sperm Edwards]

You have to be one of the most fickle fans I have ever seen. In his second year Eli took a team that was 2 years ago 4-12 into the playoffs as winners of the NFC East.

He has a bad playoff game against Carolina, a better team with a stacked defense, and now all of a sudden he's a major disappointment.

But hey, you think Patrick Ramsey is better than Daunte Culpeper so obviously football ain't your thing.

If you're going to do an Eli vs Bolly poll, do it right:

Would you rather have:

Eli with an avg cap hit of $9M through 2010;

Bollinger at under $500K plus two firsts, a third, and a fifth. (Giants traded 2004 #4 overall, 2004 3rd-rounder, 2005 1st-rounder, & 2005 5th-rounder for the rights to Eli).

[PeterNorth09]

If you're going to do an Eli vs Bolly poll, do it right:

Would you rather have:

Eli with an avg cap hit of $9M through 2010;

Bollinger at under $500K plus two firsts, a third, and a fifth. (Giants traded 2004 #4 overall, 2004 3rd-rounder, 2005 1st-rounder, & 2005 5th-rounder for the rights to Eli).

You want to know why the Giants are so much more successful than the Jets? The Giants think big picture. Ernie Accorsi could have traded up for either a franchise QB or a "franchise LT" and he took the QB.

Two years later they're the NFC East winners and in the playoffs with a bright future ahead of them.

Say what you want about Manning, I'll take him over the mess we have now any day. I'll definitely take him and about 50 other guys in the 2004 draft over that bust Gallery

[Greensince69]

too early to call Gallery a bust. I wonder how he would have been on a less dysfunctional team than the raiders. As Far as ELi and the Giants, would they be better off with Rothi and the picks they gave up. Just like I don't think there is an Elway out there this year, I did not think Manning was an Elway when the GIants pulled thier deal. Yes he has a great lineage but Rothi was scorring as high or higher by many nfl insiders. Eli may turn out to be the next bart star but he could also be the next richard todd. Only time will tell.

It really just shows how the whole draft is still a crap shoot. You can anylyze and over analyze but until they get on the field and play against nfl players you wont find out if they have nfl heart, talent, and desire. The risks are lessened by the amout of homework but there are still risks. For every Vilma you get a Bectch. THat is why I like more picks, statistically more chance in hitting the home run when you have more players comming in.

[PeterNorth09]

It really just shows how the whole draft is still a crap shoot. You can anylyze and over analyze but until they get on the field and play against nfl players you wont find out if they have nfl heart, talent, and desire. The risks are lessened by the amout of homework but there are still risks. For every Vilma you get a Bectch. THat is why I like more picks, statistically more chance in hitting the home run when you have more players comming in.

I agree totally. That's why it would not surprise me at all if McNeill and 4-5 other Tackles in this draft are just as good if not better pros than Ferguson.

By the way, about the "janky back" bs.

You guys are referring to an back injury McNeill had in his sophomore season. Not only did McNeill play excellent the rest of that Sophomore season with that injury blocking for Cadillac and Ronnie Brown, he played the next two years in college without incident.

Not bad for a guy you're trying to downplay as being "damaged goods."

[bitonti]

hey peternorth09 it is possible to McNeil to be very good and Brick to be better - this is one of the best OT crops for years.

Ok i've said my peace now it's your turn to insult everyone who disagrees.