bicketybam Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 1 hour ago, Rich Thornburgh said: I use it to judge “starters” who at most pitch 4-5 innings like Nestor Unless you were born in 1930, it's a terrible metric to judge any pitcher, Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 16 hours ago, bicketybam said: Unless you were born in 1930, it's a terrible metric to judge any pitcher, Phil. Yeah I guess Nestor losing twice as many games as he wins is my fault. It’s also someone else’s fault the guy can’t pitch more than 4 innings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 27 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Yeah I guess Nestor losing twice as many games as he wins is my fault. It’s also someone else’s fault the guy can’t pitch more than 4 innings Clueless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 7/12/2024 at 10:08 AM, bicketybam said: W/L is how you judge a pitcher? 😅😅😅😅😅😅 I measure a starter by ERA, Innings Pitched, and Win Loss. Some guys have a knack for losing games, you score 2, they give up 3. You score 6, they get hammered. That being said, Nestor is averaging 5.75 innings per start, which is 2nd best on the team right now, and his ERA is 3.67, which is below league average. Meaning he is above average as a starter, but really he is a #3 on a good team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 2 hours ago, chirorob said: I measure a starter by ERA, Innings Pitched, and Win Loss. Some guys have a knack for losing games, you score 2, they give up 3. You score 6, they get hammered. That being said, Nestor is averaging 5.75 innings per start, which is 2nd best on the team right now, and his ERA is 3.67, which is below league average. Meaning he is above average as a starter, but really he is a #3 on a good team. Throw in quality starts and whip and I'm with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 7/2/2024 at 3:27 PM, Rich Thornburgh said: Spencer Jones crushing it in the minors. Why is he not here until Stanton comes back? He is striking out 37 percent of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 14 hours ago, shawn306 said: He is striking out 37 percent of the time He’d fit in perfectly with the bottom half of our lineup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 7/13/2024 at 7:55 AM, bicketybam said: Clueless Are you still ready to send Luis Gil to the minors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 15 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Are you ready to send Luis Gil to the minors still? No. Back to the sandlot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 20 hours ago, bicketybam said: Throw in quality starts and whip and I'm with you. Quality starts goes right to innings. A starters job is to eat innings and not give up runs. Rodon going 4 today is crap. Whip is great, but baserunners don't count towards win/loss. It's like strikeouts, it's great, but it doesn't really matter. A ground ball pitcher may give up more singles, with less strike outs, but he can also get more double plays and low pitch innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Holmes sucks Volpe sucks Verdugo sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I hate this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Volpe is so overrated. If he can't field he's absolutely worthless. Verdugo's play was inexcusable. I won't miss him at all. Maybe he could have walked around the outfield slowly and waved to the fans after he missed that easy line drive. Total choad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Verdugo and Volpe are awful right now. Not hitting, now not fielding. Brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I miss Wetteland, Mo, Joba, betances, Robertson, Soriano, miller and Chapman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, bicketybam said: Volpe is so overrated. If he can't field he's absolutely worthless. Verdugo's play was inexcusable. I won't miss him at all. Maybe he could have walked around the outfield slowly and waved to the fans after he missed that easy line drive. Total choad. But what about Verdugo‘s wondermetrics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said: But what about Verdugo‘s wondermetrics? You tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 7 hours ago, chirorob said: Verdugo and Volpe are awful right now. Not hitting, now not fielding. Brutal. Volpe at least had a great defensive play earlier in the game that saved 2 runs. Verdugo has been exposed last 2 months no wonder the Red Sox wanted to get rid of him and had no issue trading him inside the division to the Yankees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Holy Crap Nestor is awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 2 good hitters 7 below average. Mediocre pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 This team is so poorly constructed year in year out. Why would you bring Stanton back every year when you know he misses 80 games a year???that tells me everything I need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Barton said: This team is so poorly constructed year in year out. Why would you bring Stanton back every year when you know he misses 80 games a year???that tells me everything I need to know. Because of the horrible contract. You can’t trade him and if you cut him you have to pay him. They are forced to keep him and get what they can out of him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 whoops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 58 minutes ago, section314 said: Because of the horrible contract. You can’t trade him and if you cut him you have to pay him. They are forced to keep him and get what they can out of him. Crazy thing is Stanton is actually the least of our problems now and him getting injured is killing the lineup. Cashman’s problem is his philosophy is he values power hitting over high OBP. The years the Yankees won 1996-2000 and 1999 we had both power hitting and high OBP guys. The Lemehieu contract is a killer because it’s long, guaranteed and he was supposed to be the high OBP guy but as soon as the ink was dry on the contract he hit the wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 3 hours ago, section314 said: Because of the horrible contract. You can’t trade him and if you cut him you have to pay him. They are forced to keep him and get what they can out of him. He should have been cut. George would have done it 2-3 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 6 hours ago, Barton said: This team is so poorly constructed year in year out. Why would you bring Stanton back every year when you know he misses 80 games a year???that tells me everything I need to know. Because he is owed a contract through 2027 and has a no trade clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Barton said: He should have been cut. George would have done it 2-3 years ago. People love on George now forget how he ran that team into the ground in the 80s. Also, George HATED Dave Winfield, and never cut him to eat the contract. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 8 hours ago, chirorob said: People love on George now forget how he ran that team into the ground in the 80s. Also, George HATED Dave Winfield, and never cut him to eat the contract. It’s more like George would have cut Brian Cashman several years ago 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 25 Author Share Posted July 25 Keep trotting out the same lineup of guys who don’t hit week after week. Let’s not forget this team had Josh Donaldson hitting 4th for a year and a half. Once they finally cut him, he retired 2 months later. Folks, this team is run by a bunch of idiots. Go listen to Francesca’s rant today - spot on. And these press conferences with Boone showing frustration just exemplify how much of a noodle he is. The guy has zero energy and presence. He is not a leader. He is not management material. This team has zero edge and confidence year after year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Hey guys just popping in here to say that Gerritt Cole has given up 9 homers this season and 7 of them have been to the Mets. OK good talk see ya later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said: Hey guys just popping in here to say that Gerritt Cole has given up 9 homers this season and 7 of them have been to the Mets. OK good talk see ya later. Cant wait to see Cashman give Cole a 5 year $300 million contract next offseason if the Yankees are smart they let Cole sucker another team and they sign Max Fried instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 10 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said: It’s more like George would have cut Brian Cashman several years ago The most overrated GM in pro sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftylarry Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 On 7/13/2024 at 9:28 AM, Rich Thornburgh said: Yeah I guess Nestor losing twice as many games as he wins is my fault. It’s also someone else’s fault the guy can’t pitch more than 4 innings Nestor is a smallish LH starter who doesn't throw hard but has a lot of guile. I don't believe he will ever get back to his All Star season status but he is a ML pitcher, a decent 5th starter type and/or long man/spot starter on a good staff. We paid nothing to get him , drafted near the bottom, left came back for nothing, he worked out fine but don't expect Whitey Ford here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftylarry Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 3 hours ago, section314 said: The most overrated GM in pro sports. Always been terrible but he has naked pitchers of Hal doing nasty things. I do think the Yankees draft this season has potential to be very, very good. I can see the first 3 picks being in the majors by Sept 2026 if they stay healthy, 3 big horses with 95 MPH stuff and multiple secondary pitches, Yankees played that very smart, getting Hess, Cunningham & Hurd, three guys at some point expected to be #1 draft picks who fell due to minor injuries and some college struggle, Yankess have become good development of this type of late. . The 4th rounder Gage Ziehl has a chance if they can get his heater up a tic or two (hope he signs), if not, I see a good set up man there ala a Tommy Kahnle type .Not a big pitcher like the first 3 but i see a Clarke Schmidt type comparison here as a starter type. 5th rounder throws 103 MPH, probably was a wasted pick but worth a look with Yankees development team so good these days.. 6th Griffin Herring, Yankees loved him and the LH does have a lot of moxie, just needs to add strength and velo, he has a LH WIll Warren type chance to make it.. Like the 11th rounder Mack Estrada a lot, think he has ML stuff and might be a steal and they have some nice lottery pick OF'ers with good athleticism also. The first baseman born in Taiwan, a switch hitter , needs to add power but is interesting too. I think Yankees did really well in this draft, took Oppenheimer and Cashman many years to figure it out but recently their approach has been very good. This draft was FUNKY but i think it's going to be a big winner for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 19 hours ago, Leftylarry said: Nestor is a smallish LH starter who doesn't throw hard but has a lot of guile. I don't believe he will ever get back to his All Star season status but he is a ML pitcher, a decent 5th starter type and/or long man/spot starter on a good staff. We paid nothing to get him , drafted near the bottom, left came back for nothing, he worked out fine but don't expect Whitey Ford here. Problem is he’s a top 3 starter in our rotation when he really should be treated as a 5th starter who is 1-2 more bad starts from going back to the bullpen where he really belongs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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