4HCrew Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Ping Pong Ball...how many times did he blitz and get bounced completely out of the play..embarassing...no matter how much you study tape you cannot teach size and strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 you can't teach speed but you can always get someone bigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 give me a friggin break..speed is great unless you cannot finish a play or shed a block..tonight was bad for good ole #51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 I thought he looked good in pass coverage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 whatever if you send him on a blitz it is next to useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 whatever if you send him on a blitz it is next to useless Not if he blitzes from the outside.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 and how many sacks did he have last year? give me a break lets deal with the player that he is not the player that YOU WANT HIM TO BE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 and how many sacks did he have last year? give me a break lets deal with the player that he is not the player that YOU WANT HIM TO BE Thats the player he's gonna end up being because Harris is gonna play a lot of middle LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 the player he is going to be is a stud LB on an NFC team next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 the player he is going to be is a stud LB on an NFC team next year Thats a very real possibility however if they really felt he wasn't going to fit in this system and they couldn't work with him don't you think he would be gone by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 nope he is the qb on defense now and probably no one else could handle it..lets not give too much credit to the front office they are not invincible... (Kimo Schlegel etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 nope he is the qb on defense now and probably no one else could handle it..lets not give too much credit to the front office they are not invincible... (Kimo Schlegel etc) I don't buy that at all. You're telling me Hobson or Barton can't call the plays out there? Thats no reason to keep a player you think will fail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 you are right mike you are always right actually you should be one of the Jets coaches carry on I am done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 you are right mike you are always right actually you should be one of the Jets coaches carry on I am done what makes me any more right than you? it's 2 different opinions. what do you want me to do? give up my opinion and say you're right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 whatever if you send him on a blitz it is next to useless Remember that play last year in the WC game when Vilma came in untouched and instead of putting Brady into next week he tried to slap the ball out of his hand? Brady simply stepped out of the way and threw for a 1st down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Vilma knows the defense better than anyone and obviously they would like a young guy like David Harris to learn the defense and become the leader in the middle, instructing players and calling some plays. He needs 2007 to learn the defense and before the 2008 season begins, Jonathan Vilma, like 4H said, will be the MLB on a great 43 defensive front in the NFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Remember that play last year in the WC game when Vilma came in untouched and instead of putting Brady into next week he tried to slap the ball out of his hand? Brady simply stepped out of the way and threw for a 1st down. So he tried to make a big play and failed. What does that prove other than that he had a bad play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2C Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Remember that play last year in the WC game when Vilma came in untouched and instead of putting Brady into next week he tried to slap the ball out of his hand? Brady simply stepped out of the way and threw for a 1st down. Vividly! That play swung momentum the Pats way big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Vilma knows the defense better than anyone and obviously they would like a young guy like David Harris to learn the defense and become the leader in the middle, instructing players and calling some plays. He needs 2007 to learn the defense and before the 2008 season begins, Jonathan Vilma, like 4H said, will be the MLB on a great 43 defensive front in the NFC. Barton and Hobson don't know the defense? I still don't see the logic in keeping a guy around if you know he is going to fail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Vividly! That play swung momentum the Pats way big time. Thats your answer madmike. A sack was pretty much a sure thing. A strip attempt had maybe a 20% chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Thats your answer madmike. A sack was pretty much a sure thing. A strip attempt had maybe a 20% chance. I just said it was a bad play. Aside from that it proves nothing. I've seen a lot of good players make that same mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Barton and Hobson don't know the defense? I still don't see the logic in keeping a guy around if you know he is going to fail... Barton and Hobson are fringe starters at best. It is not crazy to think they passed on trading Vilma because they want Harris to learn the system under him in 2007, making Vilma expendable after the season. Its a distinct possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Barton and Hobson are fringe starters at best. It is not crazy to think they passed on trading Vilma because they want Harris to learn the system under him in 2007, making Vilma expendable after the season. Its a distinct possibility. This QB of the Defense stuff is so frigging overrated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Vilma is a great player, if we had a dominant NT, he'll have an all pro year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 If the entire defense sucks again this year, the answer is not to trade your most talented player. The answer would be for "Mangenius" to quit forcing his players to play in a system they aren't equipped to succeed in and go back to the 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 nope he is the qb on defense now and probably no one else could handle it..lets not give too much credit to the front office they are not invincible... (Kimo Schlegel etc) Uhhh . . . in the second and third quarters when Harris and Barton were in there one of them had to be calling the plays. I've pointed this out several times, but I think it is very important to note that when Harris has come in in the second quarter of each preseason game it is Vilma that has gone out not Barton. Seems like Harris not only understands the D, but he is able to make plays in it. I'm not sure you can say the same for Vilma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22DaFuTuRe51 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 y not just move him to the outside and have harris and hobson start on the inside?with vilma speed there is no question that he can create some kind of disruption coming from the outside... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 y not just move him to the outside and have harris and hobson start on the inside?with vilma speed there is no question that he can create some kind of disruption coming from the outside... I agree with this statement 100% - Vilma is not a 3-4 ILB. That being said, once Dan Morgan gets concussed for the 27th time, the Carolina Panthers are going to come looking for Mr. Vilma - he will be the perfect fit for them next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Barton and Hobson don't know the defense? I still don't see the logic in keeping a guy around if you know he is going to fail... Barton and Hobson are on their ways out. Hobson is in the final year of his deal and Barton, well, who knows. Also, great concept of the defense isn't the only thing. Its also because you can't just give a guy one year in a new defense and ship him out, at least in Mangini and Tanny's minds. They want to give him a 2nd year to see if he can cut it but when they see he cannot once again, he will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 y not just move him to the outside and have harris and hobson start on the inside?with vilma speed there is no question that he can create some kind of disruption coming from the outside... Because he would be even more undersized on the outside than he is on the inside. The bottom line is that Vilma, for all his talent, is just not suited to play a 3-4. The Jets should look to trade him while his talent is high. Play Harris and Barton together in the middle. Yes, I know that rookie will make mistakes, but would the Jets D really be any worse off than having a guy (Vilma) who isnt physically capable of playing the position. I think the run D would actually improve if Harris replaced Vilma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky Jet Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Not if he blitzes from the outside.... and that is EXACTLY how they used him last night. He was on the outside when they blitzed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnys025 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 We could trade him to Cleveland and get a first rounder possibly in the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 We could trade him to Cleveland and get a first rounder possibly in the top 6. Trouble is they play a 3-4 too. I think most (if any) trade interest for Vilma will be from 4-3 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSFAN5180 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 So lets trade our best defensive player.....................guys dont you have grass to cut or something. Linebackers like Vilma are hard to come by.Mangini will adjust the defensive schemes to get him involved.Have you seen Vilma lately in person the guy is a beast he bulked up immensly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 guys like Vilma are hard to come by...hmm how many sacks did he have last year? ok that is not fair..how many tackles did he have for a loss last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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