GandWFan Posted October 3, 2007 Author Share Posted October 3, 2007 i am actually much older than 12 thanks. are u? cuz if thats the best you can say back then thats pretty sad. if you read your own post you said that where the ball ends up is directly chads fault because he threw it. so why doesnt that same logic work when clemens throws it?? maybe you can come up with a good answer to that instead of giving me a q&a ok. Let's review, shall we? I stated that Chad, whose body of work includes 6 seasons, is directly responsible for the Jets offensive production, as in points, since he is the player whose decisions and execution most directly affect the outcome. I also state that if Kellen were to be in that position, that he would have the same responsiblity. Now obviously there are other people involved in the offensive plays but the QB is by far the most influential in determining the outcome across an entire game since he touches the ball each and every play, and makes decisions affecting the outcome. You counter my assertion with: everybody keeps saying that kellen should start because he came within a touchdown of winning the game if it wasnt for those 2 dropped balls. well kellens calling the plays so from what your saying that makes those passes kellens direct responsibility then. If I could paraphrase; Kellen called the plays, so he is responsible for the dropped passes, and the loss. (btw, I never mentioned play calling, only decision making and execution. Kellen was excellent on both counts on both plays) The above statement shows an inability to understand the context in which my assertion was made. It is just a grade school tit for tat response, without any thought or insight. That is why I questioned your age. It seemed like an appropriate response from a grade schooler. I guess I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 There aren't 5 teams that would take Chad over who they have starting. Let alone drool over him. Can you people read? I said the QB SITUATION AS A WHOLE... Chad/Kellen/Tui and hell even Ratlliff for fun not just Chad... Get it through your heads thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugentfan1 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Why would he say anything but; he is a team player that is what he has to say. thats funny cuz i didnt hear him say anything about the way kellen played after week 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Can you people read? I said the QB SITUATION AS A WHOLE... Chad/Kellen/Tui and hell even Ratlliff for fun not just Chad... Get it through your heads thank you What excatly is the point of analyzing the QB situation as a whole? Only one can play. And the one that does for the Jets, stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penningtonfan82 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 There aren't 5 teams that would take Chad over who they have starting. Let alone drool over him. Now that is just stupid, Carolina, KC, Miami (YES MIAMI), Chicago, Oakland, Atlanta, that is atleast 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGraw38 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 What excatly is the point of analyzing the QB situation as a whole? Only one can play. And the one that does for the Jets, stinks. Word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGraw38 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Now that is just stupid, Carolina, KC, Miami (YES MIAMI), Chicago, Oakland, Atlanta, that is atleast 6 Good those teams can have him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojodogs Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 thats funny cuz i didnt hear him say anything about the way kellen played after week 2. You know what how long have you followed the jets butterfly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penningtonfan82 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 What excatly is the point of analyzing the QB situation as a whole? Only one can play. And the one that does for the Jets, stinks. Sorry he puts up winning records. If he played in Baltimore, we have a chance of being 2-2, yes we do, and do not say we don't because you don't know otherwise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 What excatly is the point of analyzing the QB situation as a whole? Only one can play. And the one that does for the Jets, stinks. Are you guys that thickheaded? We can play either QB Chad or Kellen... not only one can play What Im saying is everyone is constantly bitching about the QB situation when there is no real problem there... Are we going to draft a QB next season? Are we going to trade for or aquire a big name QB? NO! The QB position is set... we have the proven Vet and the Young gun... Thats the point... Worry about an actual issue on the team and stop bitching about one of our more solid depth positions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 What is wrong with you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penningtonfan82 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Good those teams can have him is what the fantasy contraversy is becoming! TIRED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Are you guys that thickheaded? We can play either QB Chad or Kellen... not only one can play What Im saying is everyone is constantly bitching about the QB situation when there is no real problem there... Are we going to draft a QB next season? Are we going to trade for or aquire a big name QB? NO! The QB position is set... we have the proven Vet and the Young gun... Thats the point... Worry about an actual issue on the team and stop bitching about one of our more solid depth positions... Thank you!!! Our team aside from Chad/Kellen isnt even average at the moment. Well at least there not playing like it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Are you guys that thickheaded? We can play either QB Chad or Kellen... not only one can play What Im saying is everyone is constantly bitching about the QB situation when there is no real problem there... Are we going to draft a QB next season? Are we going to trade for or aquire a big name QB? NO! The QB position is set... we have the proven Vet and the Young gun... Thats the point... Worry about an actual issue on the team and stop bitching about one of our more solid depth positions... Who cares about QB depth. Our starter stinks. Get that through your head. There is a problem at QB. There are more throws Chad cant make than he can. Play Kellen, let him take his lumps and decide if he's our QB for the future. If he's not, then we need to address then problem and draft a quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugentfan1 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 That is why I questioned your age. It seemed like an appropriate response from a grade schooler. I guess I was wrong. ok stay with me on this but you said and i quote "Chad is EXACTLY the problem. he is involved in 100% of the offensive plays. His decisions and execution on each and every play determine the outcome. He is DIRECTLY responsible for scoring." so when there were 2 dropped balls thats KELLENS execution determining the outcome. that was kellens fault. now do U get it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojodogs Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Nothing whats wrong with you accept that you support noodles for arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Who cares about QB depth. Our starter stinks. Get that through your head. There is a problem at QB. There are more throws Chad cant make than he can. Play Kellen, let him take his lumps and decide if he's our QB for the future. If he's not, then we need to address then problem and draft a quarterback. This team will not draft a QB next season... Lets play this game... Fine... let Kellen take his lumps and start for the rest of the year... Chad will be the best #2 QB in the NFL... So you have a young guy with a ton of potential starting and the best #2 in the NFL... Please remind me what the problem with the QB spot is again please worry about an actuall problem with this team OG OT RB WR - deep threat to replace Mcdroppins NT DE LB DB All of those positions are in more need of an upgrade than Chad/Kellen are at QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandWFan Posted October 3, 2007 Author Share Posted October 3, 2007 Are you guys that thickheaded? We can play either QB Chad or Kellen... not only one can play What Im saying is everyone is constantly bitching about the QB situation when there is no real problem there... Are we going to draft a QB next season? Are we going to trade for or aquire a big name QB? NO! The QB position is set... we have the proven Vet and the Young gun... Thats the point... Worry about an actual issue on the team and stop bitching about one of our more solid depth positions... Ahh, the worm is starting to turn... So now, It's not a Chad or Kellen debate. It's that both combined, the QB position is set. I'm sorry, I must have misread your previous 34,564 posts. My bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Would you rather have Carson palmer as your starting QB or "depth" like the Jets apparently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGraw38 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 is what the fantasy contraversy is becoming! TIRED! I thought Chad's throwing a ball over 30 yards was the only fantasy here my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 At least I can quote a post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Would you rather have Carson palmer as your starting QB or "depth" like the Jets apparently have. What in the name of god does that have to do with anything??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Ahh, the worm is starting to turn... So now, It's not a Chad or Kellen debate. It's that both combined, the QB position is set. I'm sorry, I must have misread your previous 34,564 posts. My bad... Would you rather have Carson palmer as your starting QB or "depth" like the Jets apparently have. I never called Chad an elite QB... so stop trying to be cool guys... nothing is changing I support him as much today as I did last year I didnt list the Bengals as a team that would rather have our depth.... so wtf was your point? I already basically said I would rather have him... and you just said it again... (insert dunce cap smiley) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 What in the name of god does that have to do with anything??? It has to do with ecurbs ridiculous argument that the Jets are set at QB simply because they have "depth" And the Jets depth qualifies as a crappy QB who cant throw and an unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY JETS 29 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 he holds our offense back, its that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 It has to do with ecurbs ridiculous argument that the Jets are set at QB simply because they have "depth" And the Jets depth qualifies as a crappy QB who cant throw and an unknown. Im sorry but you do not complete 82% of throws for 290yrds if you cant throw!! Seriously some of you guys are ridiculous, Chad has proven himself in this league. Time and time again, out of all 82 of his throws this season. 2, yes 2 have been mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojodogs Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 he holds our offense back, its that simple. Not according to irish and the other chadaholics. He is just stuck in a bad defense and offensive gameplan. He can throw the long ball anytime he wants if the ball had a rocket up its azz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Im sorry but you do not complete 82% of throws for 290yrds if you cant throw!! Chad actually threw about 2 balls in the bills game that could qualify as "passes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY JETS 29 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I am not here debating that Chad isnt a good QB, but all im saying is that this offense has weapons and CP isnt one, with the defense playing the way it is our offense has no room to be sub par or manageable, penny as restrictions and hurts his RB's because of the way teams scheme for our offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGraw38 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Im sorry but you do not complete 82% of throws for 290yrds if you cant throw!! Seriously some of you guys are ridiculous, Chad has proven himself in this league. Time and time again, out of all 82 of his throws this season. 2, yes 2 have been mistakes. Big deal, fact remains because of his inability to throw the deep ball EFFECTIVLY he holds the team back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY JETS 29 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 this team may very well be 9-7 and sneak in with chad under center all season, but why is that enough for us all of a sudden, do we not want to win the division, or get to a championship game and eventually win a superbowl??!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY JETS 29 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Big deal, fact remains because of his inability to throw the deep ball EFFECTIVLY he holds the team back. YES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penningtonfan82 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 this team may very well be 9-7 and sneak in with chad under center all season, but why is that enough for us all of a sudden, do we not want to win the division, or get to a championship game and eventually win a superbowl??!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?? EVENTUALLY! YOUR NOT GETTING THE DIVISION THIS SEASON, NOT THE SB, NOTHING, you DON'T HAVE a team for that, with OR without CHAD! No matter who is back there, there are pieces MISSING! That IS THE CASE! Chad to me is NOT the problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 First of all I said with our QB situation... not JUST Chad... but Chad and Kellen with Tui at #3 not mattering much... but he is also a young 2nd round pick with a live arm. Bills - Losman sucks, Chad/Kellen > Losman/Edwards Dolphins Ravens Browns - This is debatable but I think Kellen is better than Quinn Jaguars Cheifs Raiders - Culpepper is no better than Chad and Kellen seals the deal Giants Redskins Bears Lions Vikings Falcons Panthers Bucs Cardinals - Clemens > Lienart Eagles - I think at this point they would rather have an injured Chad and Kellen than an injured Mcnabb and a lost season... That list is absurd, especially since you think KC isn't ready to be a starter or else Mangini would have played him. What's the point of having a weak starting QB and a guy that isn't even ready to be a starter? Outside of the Bears, the Vikings, the Falcons and I think the Bucs, it is hard to take that list seriously. Face it, there just aren't that many teams that would take Chad, or "the tandem" that you want to look at over what they have now. You only play one starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY JETS 29 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 EVENTUALLY! YOUR NOT GETTING THE DIVISION THIS SEASON, NOT THE SB, NOTHING, you DON'T HAVE a team for that, with OR without CHAD! No matter who is back there, there are pieces MISSING! That IS THE CASE! Chad to me is NOT the problem! He is PART of the problem and when you have a peice NOW to fix it, you should! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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