ToonTime Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I dont see any problem in saying that Revis is atleast a top 5 corner. And for this to be his 2nd season, thats saying alot. Lets just be glad he's on our side and leave it at that. Lets also hope that we can and do re-sign him when the time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 The discussion was about who is the best CB in the NFL now. Not who is having the best year. Harris is very good, but I've seen him have more than a few bad days in prior years. Okay. We're not talking about this year. We're talking about now. Meaning prior years. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 Okay. We're not talking about this year. We're talking about now. Meaning prior years. Got it. Let me try to simplify. Do you think Drew Brees is better than Payton Manning? Do you think Thomas Jones is better than LT? Same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Rate stats, genius. So hurtful.. Obviously the bolded is not rate stats and they were the only ones you provided comparing Harris and Nnamdi Al Harris is without question the best cornerback in the NFL right now. Charles Woodson is giving up 4.37 Y/A on a sub-37% catch rate, has five picks, and has scored two more touchdowns (2) than he's allowed (0), and opposing quarterbacks are still throwing at him more than twice as often as they throw at Harris. Don't have chart numbers for the Minnesota game yet, but prior to that Harris had given up just 7 catches for 68 yards on the year. Compare to 5/42 for Nnamdi playing across from a black hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 all I know is this DRev has made the game ending interceptions in two games that we won this year-who else has done that THIS year? That's clutch play with a positive result FOR the Jets...like I said like John Abe against New England and Tampa Bay in 2000-his sacks shut the game down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 all I know is this DRev has made the game ending interceptions in two games that we won this year-who else has done that THIS year? That's clutch play with a positive result FOR the Jets...like I said like John Abe against New England and Tampa Bay in 2000-his sacks shut the game down. Lawrence Taylor had a habit of making game shutdown plays. Might be one of the reasons many think he is the best defensive player ever. Timing is everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Lawrence Taylor had a habit of making game shutdown plays. Might be one of the reasons many think he is the best defensive player ever. Timing is everything. cite all the stats you want I'll take those kind of players anyday...Look at Jenkins and then look at his stats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I hate these kind of arguments. At the end of the day, we have one of the best CBs in the league. Is he the best? Who knows. That's very situational, and the stats are so close between all of them. In other words, if Al Harris lets up one big play next week, is he out of the conversation? Or is it just one big play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I hate these kind of arguments. At the end of the day, we have one of the best CBs in the league. Is he the best? Who knows. That's very situational, and the stats are so close between all of them. In other words, if Al Harris lets up one big play next week, is he out of the conversation? Or is it just one big play? agreed...all DM wanted to say is what a stud Revis is and an argument between stats wonks breaks out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I disagree, Revis is the man but Nnamdi out there in OAK is number 1 in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 I disagree, Revis is the man but Nnamdi out there in OAK is number 1 in the league. We already conceded that. Then Al Harris came into the conversation and, you know how it goes. Let's just all agree we are happy Revis is a Jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Lol well i skipped over the middle 5 pages i just read the first & then posted. Come on, Al Harris people???? Revis>Harris & thank god revis is a jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 Lol well i skipped over the middle 5 pages i just read the first & then posted. Come on, Al Harris people???? Revis>Harris & thank god revis is a jet. I heard Pittsburgh really wanted Revis. Thank GOD we have a GM with balls and smarts (Mr. T) who knows how and when to move up. Prior Jet regimes took naps in between their scheduled picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I heard Pittsburgh really wanted Revis. Thank GOD we have a GM with balls and smarts (Mr. T) who knows how and when to move up. Prior Jet regimes took naps in between their scheduled picks. That draft when they moved up, I originally thought they were gonna pick Brady Quinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 So hurtful.. Obviously the bolded is not rate stats and they were the only ones you provided comparing Harris and Nnamdi You're right. They're not. Even so, is it really a big mystery whether they're raw numbers or have been somehow controlled for playing time? You're right that comparing raw numbers is misleading given the games Harris has missed, but his 3.58 Y/A is still lower than Nnamdi's 3.82. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky Jet Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Revis is well on his way to being THE BEST CB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 You're right. They're not. Even so, is it really a big mystery whether they're raw numbers or have been somehow controlled for playing time? You're right that comparing raw numbers is misleading given the games Harris has missed, but his 3.58 Y/A is still lower than Nnamdi's 3.82. Well, that's what I was asking for originally. Are Harris and Nnamdi #1 & 2? Where is Revis at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 We've all seen enough of Al Harris to know he's overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Let me try to simplify. Do you think Drew Brees is better than Payton Manning? Do you think Thomas Jones is better than LT? Same thing. In those examples, one guy has a longer track record of success and the other guy has better metrics this year. In the cornerback comparison Harris has both so it's really not the same thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Well, that's what I was asking for originally. Are Harris and Nnamdi #1 & 2? Where is Revis at? How about Harris Nnamdi Champ Revis Brown Winfield Woodson Mathis Finnegan? Yeah, there's a list nobody can get behind. I'll go with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Revis is a warm blanket to cold WRs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 How about Harris Nnamdi Champ Revis Brown Winfield Woodson Mathis Finnegan? Yeah, there's a list nobody can get behind. I'll go with that. This is y/a? It's nice when the facts actually back up our perceptions. Revis was a hell of a pick.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 This is y/a? It's nice when the facts actually back up our perceptions. Revis was a hell of a pick.. No. That's my opinion. Brown 3.10 53% catch Harris 3.58 Webster 3.65 1 TD Asomugha 3.82 Hayden 4.00 Woodson 4.37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Revis is in top 5 Holt? Washed up. Lets see how he handles Moss Thur. holt washed up? u r drinking too much jamba juice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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