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" Why do so many standout USC QBs make mediocre (at best) pros ? " ? ? ?

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#1 kelly


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:04 PM

Why do so many standout USC QBs make mediocre (at best) pros ?




Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart shined at USC but have not found the same success in the pros.


Pete Carroll was asked a simple question: What happened to Matt Leinart in the NFL ?


Why did his career crash and burn ?


"Stupid question," Carroll said with a smile.

Carroll was at the Indianapolis scouting combine, in a corner of
the RCA Dome, and launched into an impassioned defense of Leinart
and, then, another USC quarterback, Matt Barkley, who would later

fall in the draft at terminal velocity into the fourth round.



In some ways, what Carroll would say next wasn't
just a defense of Leinart, it stands as a defense of the USC
quarterback system, one that he coached to national championships
but has since failed to replicate the collegiate excellence on the
NFL level.


In fact, one of the great mysteries
of both college and the NFL is that while other Pac-12 schools
have historically generated Pro Bowlers and NFL Hall of Famers at
quarterback -- make that other schools, period -- USC quarterbacks
have mostly failed in the pros. Trojan quarterbacks have won 11
national titles, six during the Super Bowl era, but no USC quarterback

has played in a Super Bowl.

Numerous schools have produced Super Bowl quarterbacks. Ten have

produced multiple Super Bowl
quarterbacks -- Delaware, California, Maryland, UCLA, Alabama,
Notre Dame, BYU, Stanford, Purdue and Washington State.

USC? None.

USC's NFL quarterback struggles are relevant because they pertain
to one of the most intriguing stories of this upcoming and future
seasons. If the Philadelphia Eagles
can crack the Da Trojan Code, then Barkley could break the streak
of bad USC quarterbacking in the NFL. Barkley actually has a
solid shot at playing time since Mike Vick is constantly injured
and Barkley is playing for a coach with a quarterback friendly

"Without a doubt I have confidence I can
come in right away and make an impact, or just help the team in
whatever way I can," Barkley told 97.5 The Fanatic recently.

History says differently. Recently USC quarterbacks haven't just
failed to make an immediate impact, they have failed to make
almost any impact despite tremendous success in college.

But back to Carroll's passionate defense of Leinart and Barkley.

"I think [Leinart] is a very good quarterback and has just faced
some tough circumstances," said Carroll. "He's still young. I
wouldn't give up on him. He can still turn things around.

"I think Barkley is going to be very good. He's a smart guy and
he's athletic. He's going to shock some people with how quickly he
adapts to the NFL."

In the Super Bowl
era, USC quarterbacks have won 22 outright or shared conference
championships (for brevity these numbers don't include vacated
wins or titles). That's the most of any school in the country.
Then, those players go to the pros and, mostly, carry a clipboard.

Yet, with far less talent, historically other Pac-12 schools have
produced massive quarterbacking talent in the NFL. Stanford has
John Elway (Hall of Famer) and Jim Plunkett (almost Hall of

Washington produced Warren Moon and UCLA
Troy Aikman (multiple Super Bowl winner and Hall of Famer). Drew
Bledsoe and Mark Rypien both played at Washington State and both
played in a Super Bowl with Rypien winning.

The great Dan Fouts went to Oregon. Steve Bartkowski played at Cal
and was the 1975 NFL rookie of the year, a two-time Pro Bowler
and is one of only nine players in NFL history to throw 30
touchdowns in a season consecutively at least once, joining Tom Brady,

Peyton Manning and Dan Marino, among others.

In fact, among Cal's solid track record of NFL pros is Aaron Rodgers, a

Super Bowl winner, and maybe the best quarterback in football today.

These are the USC quarterbacks who have played in the pros:

Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson, John David Booty,

Carson Palmer, Mark Sanchez, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury,

Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Vince Evans, Bill Nelsen, Matt Cassel

and Pete Beathard.

That is not exactly a list of NFL greats. On it is a player more
known for what he did with his cell phone (Salisbury), a criminal
(Marinovich), and a butt fumbler (Sanchez).

Haden was solid, Peete was reliable but mostly a backup and Palmer has
at times been good and in other moments absolutely awful.

This statistic is one of the more damning for the Trojans. At
least 15 times that group of USC quarterbacks won either a
national championship (outright or share), a Heisman or made a
Rose Bowl appearance. None won a Super Bowl
and only a handful made the playoffs. There may be no other
programs in history that had such dominance on the collegiate level only
to watch those players get atomized in the pros.

Why have USC quarterbacks experienced almost unprecedented success
in college while experiencing almost unprecedented futility in the

A variety of college and NFL sources including
several NFL scouts, team executives and assistant coaches,
provide four main theories.


The Spoiled Brat Theory

It goes like this. Recent USC quarterbacks in particular grow up
with a silver football in their mouth. Not all. But many. They
grow up pampered both at home and in their sport. They only time
they experience adversity is when the CD player on their dad's BMW
doesn't work.

This is part stereotype, part unfair
but also part accurate, according to several NFL scouts. "The
feeling is that some of them are coddled," said the scout, "and
mentally soft."

Then when they get to the toughest
of sports leagues, their minds crumble under the weight. At least,
that's the theory.


The Weather Theory

"The sheer number of USC quarterbacks who have come to the NFL and
struggled is alarming," said Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com senior
analyst who also writes for CBSSports.com. "Because many of these
quarterbacks possessed the physical traits to be successful, some
scouts believe the warm weather and big man on campus mentality
makes Southern Cal passers less prepared for the rigors of the

The warm weather. This is the most believed
theory by scouts. It contributes to making the quarterbacks soft,
the theory goes. There are holes in this theory, of course,
especially since Troy Aikman played in the same weather at UCLA
but still made it to the NFL Hall of Fame.

remember the list of schools that produced quarterbacks that
appeared in multiple Super Bowls, maybe the toughest thing to do in
sports -- the University of Delaware, California, Maryland, UCLA,
Alabama, Notre Dame, BYU, Stanford, Purdue, and Washington State. Five
of those schools -- Delaware, Maryland, Notre Dame, BYU, and
Purdue -- play in cold weather. Some brutally so. Washington
State, located in Pullman, has averages in December of 24 degrees
for a low and almost eight inches of snow.

Not scientific but also far from insignificant.


The Great Coaches Theory

Two words: Norm Chow. He was an assistant at USC and throughout
his college career helped to develop an army of quarterbacks,
including Steve Young. He's one of the brightest offensive minds
in college football history. At USC, over the decades, the Trojan
coaching staff has been loaded with assistants and head coaches
like Chow.

"USC has had so much coaching talent it's
become a system school," said one NFL scout. "Then they have to
leave that system."


The Uber-talent theory

This is one of the most palpable theories. While many college
quarterbacks were surrounded with great talent throughout history, USC
took that to a level surpassed by few. Rob Johnson played with
Keyshawn Johnson and Tony Boselli. Leinart played with Reggie Bush.
Every USC quarterback seems to have had a fast 6-foot-8 wide
receiver and elite running back. USC quarterbacks played with
Heisman winners Charles White and Marcus Allen.

belief is that Trojan quarterbacks are surrounded by so many great
players, and many times are drafted by the worst NFL teams, they don't
know how to elevate the players around them because in college
they were always the ones being elevated.

comes another USC quarterback to the NFL. Barkley went in the fourth
round but the expectations aren't so lessened. People will be
watching not just to see if he can replace Vick, but witness if he
can break a nasty curse.


> http://www.cbssports...re-at-best-pros



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:40 PM

Kimo ruined Palmer's career.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

there's something douchey in the water. 

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:10 PM


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:59 PM

Kimo ruined Palmer's career.






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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:36 PM

Its called hype and SC has plenty of it..  

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:39 PM

What about the HO theory?  Once they leave USC, they also leave the USC Graduate school of HOs, where they are all volunteer curriculum enhancers.  A significant drop in confidence follows this.


The San Fernando Valley depends on the flow of new porn talent from USC.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:01 PM

32 starters in the league, and you have 3 examples there


SC just gets more scrutiny and hate

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:41 AM

32 starters in the league, and you have 3 examples there

SC just gets more scrutiny and hate


Also, I am annoyed that Carson Palmer gets thought of as a bust. This sport just...it's so dumb lol.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:36 AM


Also, I am annoyed that Carson Palmer gets thought of as a bust. This sport just...it's so dumb lol.



Some bust take longer to see.  

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:01 AM

Soft Cali-fruits who grow up playing in 78 degree weather on high school teams that attract the nearby ghetto's best bussed-in athletes. The minute they face adversity, they long for mama's teet. Biatches.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:42 AM

to go along with the spoiled brat theory, most of these guys get offers to USC in 10th grade. it's like they are annointed and given everything without having to struggle for it. meanwhile UCLA gets the guys who have huge senior seasons but USC already gave their scholarships away. UCLA has been killing it lately with pro prospects, beastly guys like Datone Jones 

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:10 PM

usc does NOT play in the sec :winking0001:








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