visajets Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Oh. You mean like Keller (26) was completely worthless during the latter part of the season and playoffs? I will trade in Plaxico hurt ALL SEASON if he can do for the Jets what he did for the Giants on that SB run. His game in GB was one of the greatest all-time for a WR. I agree that game was awesome. But Braylon did some heroics too that shouldnt be forgotten. Unfortunately in the NFL its what have you done for me lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 San Fran has Edwards,Ginn and Crabtree New england has Welker and Ocho Tenn Britt Vikings Harvin I'm sorry... I just stopped reading and starting laughing when I seriously saw you list Tedd ******* Ginn. Outside of a couple of games against the Jets, the guys NFL career has been a joke. Please stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 What we know is the JETS wanted to sign him. And they ended up not only not getting the job done by signing him and ended up seeing him go to another team for a low price. That's a failure on FO's part. You don't hear that. But instead all we get is bunch of useless hypothetical speculation that in many cases is passed around as fact. Things like 'He is toxic to the team, in the locker room'. If he is why were the JETS interested in the first place Things like 'He is a bitch for not signing here for the same money'. How do we know there was an offer in place from the JETS ? And to top that we signed a player with a lot more guaranteed money and that player has not stepped on a football field for what like 3 seasons and has 3 reps in all of training camp! Let me know if you need any more clarity! We don't know that. The rest of your post(s) is (are) invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Nice try. You haven't answered the initial question. Keep dodging! Keep contradicting yourself. On one hand they were wrong about his value on other hand he took an unreanoable offer from the 49ers! You are just pathetic. The Jets were offering him more, he wanted even more and got less. So how was the league wrong about his value? The only thing I am dodging is your ridiculous bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I'm sorry... I just stopped reading and starting laughing when I seriously saw you list Tedd ******* Ginn. Outside of a couple of games against the Jets, the guys NFL career has been a joke. Please stop. I listed the WRs in San Fran........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I imagine he was significantly more sober than Edwards for those two years. It's not just a DUI. It's an assault, a one car accident, and a bar brawl under investigation. He spent over a year with the Jets. They know what he was like day in and day out. They got to hear a lot of whispers about his habits, too. Information you are not privy to. Ahhh based on your imagination! And if they knew him so well why did they put an offer up in the first place and if reports are to believed at higher amount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I agree that game was awesome. But Braylon did some heroics too that shouldnt be forgotten. Unfortunately in the NFL its what have you done for me lately. I'm not debating Braylon's contribution to the Jets. I definitely enjoyed him as a Jet and moreover, would've been ecstatic to have him back. But at the end of the day I can see the justification for it. I take the emotion out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Just another blazing examples of why I choose Visa. Sign Randy = Superbowl. Exactly Crusher!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I listed the WRs in San Fran........ yeah but Ted Ginn ? You should have just left that out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 We don't know that. Why would they make an offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I cannot wait for football season to start for many reasons. The one that has emerged lately is that this discussion will be had in the realm of the actual as opposed to the hypothetical. It's getting ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 You are just pathetic. The Jets were offering him more, he wanted even more and got less. So how was the league wrong about his value? The only thing I am dodging is your ridiculous bullsh*t. Ahh name calling. The resort of people out of valid things to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Ahhh based on your imagination! And if they knew him so well why did they put an offer up in the first place and if reports are to believed at higher amount? These offers are in your imagination. Braylon's track record of alcohol related incidents, however, are public record. You think this guy gets into trouble every time he gets drunk? Gets drunk, assaults someone, stays clean for a year, gets drunk, wrecks a car, etc. Or do you think maybe he gets drunk a lot more often than that? I'm choosing to use reasonable deduction. You can live in fantasy land. Show me some links to these reports of the Jets offering Braylon anything, particularly of the higher amount variety. I look forward to reading all of them. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Why would they make an offer? Link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I listed the WRs in San Fran........ The question was whether those teams had better WRs than Mason, and you listed Ginn. You might as well have listed their training camp fodder at WR while you were at it, because the guy is garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 What we know is the JETS wanted to sign him. This was at the beginning of free agency, then he tried to a$$ rape us. And they ended up not only not getting the job done by signing him and ended up seeing him go to another team for a low price. I'm sure this had nothing to do with the fact that he got into ANOTHER DRUNKEN BRAWL. Also throw in the real possibility that he already had a bad rep and that's why after Santonio was gone you saw guys like Sidney Rice get paid before Braylon That's a failure on FO's part. Right, it's a failure that they didn't ask Braylon back after another incident. You can say whatever you want about the Jets but guys we've signed with troubled pasts dont' continually make mistakes. The only one that did was Braylon. Not sure how old you are but would you want an employee like that? You don't hear that. But instead all we get is bunch of useless hypothetical speculation.You're not speculating at all right you are stating fact. that in many cases is passed around as fact. Like your case. FACTS Things like 'He is toxic to the team, in the locker room'. If he is why were the JETS interested in the first place. Not so much toxic, but more jackassery. Please don't make me link stories to his incidents. Things like 'He is a bitch for not signing here for the same money'. How do we know there was an offer in place from the JETS ? When a team comes out and says "We're not going to resign him" it's because the player has made his demands known. Again, look at the market for Braylon before the incident. There was none, then he acted like a Jackass and had to lower his demands. And to top that we signed a player with a lot more guaranteed money and that player has not stepped on a football field for what like 3 seasons and has 3 reps in all of training camp! Yea, Braylon is hurt and who knows what's going to happen to him legally. Let me know if you need any more clarity! Yes, why are you criticizing people for assuming when you are operating from within the same context. MEMO SENT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I cannot wait for football season to start for many reasons. The one that has emerged lately is that this discussion will be had in the realm of the actual as opposed to the hypothetical. It's getting ridiculous. A-fockin'-men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 yeah but Ted Ginn ? You should have just left that out Smash take a sedative.. Our WR's this year are better than last years. That is a fact. any edge you believe Edwards has on Plax is outweighed by Mason being >>>> than Cotch. I'll bet you 7.5 billion dollars Masons numbers this year are better than Cotch's were last year. 7.5 Billion -- with a B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I cannot wait for football season to start for many reasons. The one that has emerged lately is that this discussion will be had in the realm of the actual as opposed to the hypothetical. It's getting ridiculous. Pretty much. I try to look at #'s and history for an indicator of future returns. Which is why I'm fine with Mason and Plax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I cannot wait for football season to start for many reasons. The one that has emerged lately is that this discussion will be had in the realm of the actual as opposed to the hypothetical. It's getting ridiculous. people will always have differing opinions. The only thing Isee thatsa huge red flag is the age involved. IF (and its a BIG IF) those guys can stay healthy we should be ok but then you have to worry about them being worn out come playoffs time. These are legitimate concerns that can only be proven late in the season and in the playoffs. The main reason the OLD WR situation scares me is because if they do hit a brick wall late in the season then what ? We're stuck. They very well could play solid all year its something that plagued Tomlinson his whole career because of the beatings he took and he was young how Jets fans can not be terrified these old men wont have the stamina to pull this off is beyond me. Your window to win a SB in this league is small you have to go all in at this point and in the WR position which directly effects our Young QB we have failed or weve taken a very big chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Smash take a sedative.. Our WR's this year are better than last years. That is a fact. any edge you believe Edwards has on Plax is outweighed by Mason being >>>> than Cotch. I'll bet you 7.5 billion dollars Masons numbers this year are better than Cotch's were last year. 7.5 Billion -- with a B. yes masons numbers will be better Im not debating Mason and Cotch PAC read my lips ok .... We can differ on the talent question. The one thing thats really not up for debate of any kind is the Age and thats what scares me. It should scare you as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 people will always have differing opinions. The only thing Isee thatsa huge red flag is the age involved. IF (and its a BIG IF) those guys can stay healthy we should be ok but then you have to worry about them being worn out come playoffs time. These are legitimate concerns that can only be proven late in the season and in the playoffs. The main reason the OLD WR situation scares me is because if they do hit a brick wall late in the season then what ? We're stuck. They very well could play solid all year its something that plagued Tomlinson his whole career because of the beatings he took and he was young how Jets fans can not be terrified these old men wont have the stamina to pull this off is beyond me. Your window to win a SB in this league is small you have to go all in at this point and in the WR position which directly effects our Young QB we have failed or weve taken a very big chance. So my whole Keller point doesn't matter. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Link please. Even Brooklyn says that the JETS made an offer and offering him more and he is not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 So my whole Keller point doesn't matter. Got it. Vic I was responding to Gastineau. And for what is worth Im not a big Keller fan either since the guy all but dissapeared after the first 5 games last year. Wonder why Rex was picking up Heap at the Airport ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 So my whole Keller point doesn't matter. Got it. Wait ,,,what keller point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 PAC read my lips ok .... We can differ on the talent question. The one thing thats really not up for debate of any kind is the Age and thats what scares me. It should scare you as well. a) I can't read your lips - this is the internet. 2) I'm older than Plax by a couple years and I'm in freakin supreme shape. I'm not worried about a guy who turns 34 this month. Plax never relied on speed so any step he may have lost the last 2 years is inconsequential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Ahh name calling. The resort of people out of valid things to say. Ahh bitching out, because you can't make a lick of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Hey you guys want something Positive ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The main reason the OLD WR situation scares me is because if they do hit a brick wall late in the season then what ? We're stuck. They very well could play solid all year its something that plagued Tomlinson his whole career because of the beatings he took and he was young how Jets fans can not be terrified these old men wont have the stamina to pull this off is beyond me. Your window to win a SB in this league is small you have to go all in at this point and in the WR position which directly effects our Young QB we have failed or weve taken a very big chance. The Jets had four guys who caught more than 50 passes for them last year, and they retained three of them: Holmes, Keller, and LT. Holmes and Keller are in the prime of their careers. They shouldn't be hitting any walls. Jets have a couple backup TE's who have been in the system for a couple years that Rex seems to have faith in. They have a 5th rounder who's getting a very unusual amount of praise from everyone who sees him play. Should he get on the field, he may help keep some gas in the tanks of the two older guys. They have young guys who can pick up a lot of reps. The Jets run the football a lot. They have a stable of backs. Joe McKnight will probably be featured in both the rushing and passing game, relieving some pressure from LT. Is it ideal? No, but what is in this league? If Kerley's the real deal, then the Jets are much better in WR's #1-4 than they were last year. Would they really be better off relying on Edwards? A guy who couldn't keep his car on the road, or his twitter fingers out of a drunken brawl, at a time when he was looking to cash in on a FA deal. I think they came out of a pretty crappy situation pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 a) I can't read your lips - this is the internet. 2) I'm older than Plax by a couple years and I'm in freakin supreme shape. I'm not worried about a guy who turns 34 this month. Plax never relied on speed so any step he may have lost the last 2 years is inconsequential. PAC Ill drive you to FP k . Ill try out with you as well. You do know that Plax has a SWOLLEN ankle right ? hes getting an MRI this is not to be taken lightly AT 34 IT becomes harder to recover from these things no matter what shape your in,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 WHy do you people act as if Rex/Tanny are beyond criticism? Cause of the numerous sb titles we've won... obv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 What we know is the JETS wanted to sign him. This was at the beginning of free agency, then he tried to a$$ rape us. And they ended up not only not getting the job done by signing him and ended up seeing him go to another team for a low price. I'm sure this had nothing to do with the fact that he got into ANOTHER DRUNKEN BRAWL. Also throw in the real possibility that he already had a bad rep and that's why after Santonio was gone you saw guys like Sidney Rice get paid before Braylon That's a failure on FO's part. Right, it's a failure that they didn't ask Braylon back after another incident. You can say whatever you want about the Jets but guys we've signed with troubled pasts dont' continually make mistakes. The only one that did was Braylon. Not sure how old you are but would you want an employee like that? You don't hear that. But instead all we get is bunch of useless hypothetical speculation.You're not speculating at all right you are stating fact. that in many cases is passed around as fact. Like your case. FACTS Things like 'He is toxic to the team, in the locker room'. If he is why were the JETS interested in the first place. Not so much toxic, but more jackassery. Please don't make me link stories to his incidents. Things like 'He is a bitch for not signing here for the same money'. How do we know there was an offer in place from the JETS ? When a team comes out and says "We're not going to resign him" it's because the player has made his demands known. Again, look at the market for Braylon before the incident. There was none, then he acted like a Jackass and had to lower his demands. And to top that we signed a player with a lot more guaranteed money and that player has not stepped on a football field for what like 3 seasons and has 3 reps in all of training camp! Yea, Braylon is hurt and who knows what's going to happen to him legally. Let me know if you need any more clarity! Yes, why are you criticizing people for assuming when you are operating from within the same context. MEMO SENT! It would have been easier to respond if you had just quoted. Atleast you confirm that people are operating under bunch of assumptions and passing them on as facts. What assumptions am I making ? Like whats the assumption in And to top that we signed a player with a lot more guaranteed money and that player has not stepped on a football field for what like 3 seasons and has 3 reps in all of training camp! ? Or What we know is the JETS wanted to sign him. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 yes masons numbers will be better Im not debating Mason and Cotch PAC read my lips ok .... We can differ on the talent question. The one thing thats really not up for debate of any kind is the Age and thats what scares me. It should scare you as well. And that's why you frustrate people. I'm not scared. I see Mason's #. I see his history via #'s and health. That to me is realistic. Simply saying ZOMG HE IS 38 means jacksh*t to me when the guy has continually gotten the job done and based on his production I'm not concerned. The eye sees what it wants to see. I see fine games from Mason at the end of the year. In the last 4 games he had 3 TD's and 204 yards. Yes he had a non-existent game against the chiefs but they also RUSHED THE BALL 32 TIMES. That's not counting Flacco's 7 scrambles and a reverse to Stallworth. I'd say they went run heavy that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Even Brooklyn says that the JETS made an offer and offering him more and he is not the only one. Even Brooklyn does not constitute a valid response. Basically you're telling me that like Brooklyn, you're incapable of finding a link to back up your make-believe reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Ahh bitching out, because you can't make a lick of sense. Yawn!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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