Jetsfan80 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Cotchery Washington Farrior Vilma Leon Washington became a decent KR but had his best days as a RB with the Jets. Jonathan Vilma is immensely overrated. He did the same thing in New Orleans that he did here; rack up tackles 5 yards from the LOS. I guess you could say he's the "QB of the defense", but that same defense ended up in a bounty scandal that set the franchise back a couple years. Cotchery, as I mentioned above, had a fine career until his last season when injury problems led him to be among the league leaders in drops. Not sure how you could say we "misused" him. Farrior is the only legit one on your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Uh, we discarded CHAD like garbage for some guy in a walker, and he won the AFC east the next year. Bernard Pollard and the Wildcat won the East for them, and they went on to get pounded at home by the Ravens in the 1st round of the playoffs, with Chad throwing 4 picks; this type of performance was more than typical for him when the stakes were heightened. He never made any impact on the NFL whatsoever for the remainder of his career. Pennington had his best days with the Jets, not Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Farrior is the only legit one on your list. Austin Howard is potentially the next James Farrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Cotchery Washington Farrior Vilma In the four years since Washington left us, he's amassed less than 400 yards rushing and 150 yards receiver, total. Good two years as a kick returner but was phased out. Cotchery has only had one decent year since he left: 207 yards, 205 yards and then 602 yards. Farrior had a great career after us, but that's going a ways back to prove a point, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Leon Washington became a decent KR but had his best days as a RB with the Jets. Jonathan Vilma is immensely overrated. He did the same thing in New Orleans that he did here; rack up tackles 5 yards from the LOS. I guess you could say he's the "QB of the defense", but that same defense ended up in a bounty scandal that set the franchise back a couple years. Cotchery, as I mentioned above, had a fine career until his last season when injury problems led him to be among the league leaders in drops. Not sure how you could say we "misused" him. Farrior is the only legit one on your list. Wait, Vilma won a SB, as the defensive QB, and you act like he was a 4th string safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Austin Howard is potentially the next James Farrior 1. He hasn't left the Jets yet. 2. You'd have a better case if you wanted to bring up Matt Slauson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 1. He hasn't left the Jets yet. 2. You'd have a better case if you wanted to bring up Matt Slauson. Brad Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Wait, Vilma won a SB, as the defensive QB, and you act like he was a 4th string safety. Again, Vilma was traded, not given away for NOTHING, which was the point from SoFla that I was responding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Wait, Vilma won a SB, as the defensive QB, and you act like he was a 4th string safety. The defense was ranked 20th in points allowed that season. And I'd say that Darren Sharper (9 INT's, 3 TD's), Will Smith (13 sacks) and Roman Harper (81 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles) had a bigger impact than Vilma that season, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Again, Vilma was traded, not given away for NOTHING, which was the point from SoFla that I was responding to. Bad Trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 MARK SANCHEZ HAS AS GOOD AS FEET AS ANY QUARTERBACK IN THIS LEAGUE -an actual thing Phil Simms said I thought Rex said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Brad Smith? What did he do in Buffalo that was so special? He was so good he just got released by the Bills and signed by the Eagles last season. Do you really think he was worth the 4 year, $15M deal the Bills signed him to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Bad Trade? Change subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 James Farrior and Jonathan Goodwin. That's the only 2 "stars" the Jets messed up on. Utilizing talent hasn't been the Jets problem. It's amassing talent, particularly via the draft, that's been our issue. And we finally might have a GM capable of doing that the right way. Sheldon Richardson is immediate evidence of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 James Farrior and Jonathan Goodwin. That's the only 2 "stars" the Jets messed up on. Utilizing talent hasn't been the Jets problem. It's amassing talent, particularly via the draft, that's been our issue. And we finally might have a GM capable of doing that the right way. Sheldon Richardson is immediate evidence of this. Well us old guys could go back to Riggins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Change subject? Only when I'm losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Well us old guys could go back to Riggins. You're 100 % correct there, but I'd say going back before the Woody Johnson days might not be relevant to what we're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 agreed. Accurate, strong arm, prolific career in college football's best conference. Seems like a good kid. Sounds like Greg McElroy...other than the strong arm and good kid part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 You're 100 % correct there, but I'd say going back before the Woody Johnson days might not be relevant to what we're talking about. Since when is being relevant...well...relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 1. He hasn't left the Jets yet. it's concerning that this negotiation is taking so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curling90210 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 lol. Yeah, you can definitely make a case that the Jets are poor talent evaluators. But the only players you can legitimately say we failed to develop and excelled elsewhere are James Farrior and Jonathan Goodwin. Did Vernon Gholston, Chad Pennington, LaMont Jordan, Kerry Rhodes, or Braylon Edwards go on to great things after they took off the Green and White? Cotchery had a fine career here so his success with Pittsburgh with a major upgrade in the QB throwing him the ball isn't particularly damning. John Abraham was just who we thought he was when we traded him: A talented DE with questionable toughness (and I'm being kind there). We got the most we could out of Laveranues Coles and Dustin Keller. Etc etc. John Riggins, young man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curling90210 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Well us old guys could go back to Riggins.ninja slice bitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Well us old guys could go back to Riggins. Jeff Blake, Terrence Mathis... but these names hardly have any bearing on what's going on today. Even bitching about the Vilma trade, that was done under Tangini. No relevance. The big problem here since Bradway took over has been trading away draft picks, whiffing on high picks, or both (see: Butcher knives, Bowling ball). It's not that talent hasn't been developed, it's that talent hasn't been acquired. Hopefully Idzik has a completely different vision than the Bradway-Tannenbaum connection. Only Bitonti knows for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Atari Bigby, mother****ers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 ninja slice bitch Hah. Try to keep up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Uh, we discarded CHAD like garbage for some guy in a walker, and he won the AFC east the next year. Forgetting the sheer lunacy of solely crediting Chad himself for winning the AFC East that year (after all, would you solely credit Sanchez for the Jets successes in 09/10?), and ignoring that it took injuries to two superior starting QBs for the Phins to desperately rally back to a division tie, I would still like to point out that his season was capped off with our very own Rex Ryan making Chad his personal bitch in the playoffs. After that, Chad's NFL career was essentially over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 James Farrior and Jonathan Goodwin. That's the only 2 "stars" the Jets messed up on. Utilizing talent hasn't been the Jets problem. It's amassing talent, particularly via the draft, that's been our issue. And we finally might have a GM capable of doing that the right way. Sheldon Richardson is immediate evidence of this. Farrior was a complete screw-up all around, but we actually already kind of knew Goodwin was pretty good while he was here. He was the first guy off the bench as the backup at any and all OL positions, and always played well. It was simply that, through most of his time with the Jets, they had a pretty dominant OL that he simply didn't have a chance to break into the starting lineup. That said, why they didn't keep him around after things started to fall apart on the OL in 2005 is beyond me, and was obviously horribly handled. After all, as good as Mangold is/was, being able to use that 2nd first elsewhere would have been a nice thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Forgetting the sheer lunacy of solely crediting Chad himself for winning the AFC East that year (after all, would you solely credit Sanchez for the Jets successes in 09/10?), and ignoring that it took injuries to two superior starting QBs for the Phins to desperately rally back to a division tie, I would still like to point out that his season was capped off with our very own Rex Ryan making Chad his personal bitch in the playoffs. After that, Chad's NFL career was essentially over. "After all, would you solely credit Sanchez for the Jets successes in 09/10?" Some would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Farrior was a complete screw-up all around, but we actually already kind of knew Goodwin was pretty good while he was here. He was the first guy off the bench as the backup at any and all OL positions, and always played well. It was simply that, through most of his time with the Jets, they had a pretty dominant OL that he simply didn't have a chance to break into the starting lineup. That said, why they didn't keep him around after things started to fall apart on the OL in 2005 is beyond me, and was obviously horribly handled. After all, as good as Mangold is/was, being able to use that 2nd first elsewhere would have been a nice thing. Chad Clifton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Randy Thomas should have been resigned and we should have held onto Santana Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Randy Thomas should have been resigned and we should have held onto Santana Moss. Moss for Coles, ahh, a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 "After all, would you solely credit Sanchez for the Jets successes in 09/10?" Some would. I think one of the few things we could both agree on though is that those people are nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I think one of the few things we could both agree on though is that those people are nuts. Nuts, or USC alumni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 it's concerning that this negotiation is taking so long. How? He's a below average run blocker (on a run-first team) who probably wants more than he's worth. And until we lose him and he has success elsewhere your argument is moot. Par for the course for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Farrior was a complete screw-up all around, but we actually already kind of knew Goodwin was pretty good while he was here. He was the first guy off the bench as the backup at any and all OL positions, and always played well. It was simply that, through most of his time with the Jets, they had a pretty dominant OL that he simply didn't have a chance to break into the starting lineup. That said, why they didn't keep him around after things started to fall apart on the OL in 2005 is beyond me, and was obviously horribly handled. After all, as good as Mangold is/was, being able to use that 2nd first elsewhere would have been a nice thing. I was really just including Goodwin as a concession to the other side of the argument. Farrior is really the only relevant player in the Woody Johnson era to fit this argument. "After all, would you solely credit Sanchez for the Jets successes in 09/10?" Some would. By "Some" do you mean Pac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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