SAR I Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Fibonacci said: Look SAR. I understand where you are coming from and you have some valid arguments. But ticket prices are not God's rules. They can be adjusted by the Yankees based on what they see in the next 2 years after kicking out Stubhub. Like I said Yankees will definitely lose STH's but eventually things will be balanced out once Yankees price the ST's right and telling STH's that what they paid for ST's will be what second hand market folks will pay in the future. For every SAR who sees people who buy cheap tickets as a way to get out of unwanted games, there are also STH's who hate there are people sitting next to them while paying significantly less than them. As a fan who prefers a la carte ticketing, I don't like what Yankees are doing and I would hate it if Jets did the same but I think Yankees are doing the right thing to protect the value of their tickets. Good points all, I can see the other side of the argument. What I can tell you simply from my Jets STH experience is that the other STH's around me all can't go to all 8 home games, they're always missing 2 or 3, and when someone else sits in their seats we are cordial and they really aren't much different than the rest of us. Down in the posh Coaches Club, different story, but for regular PSL locations a fan is a fan for the most part. Keep in mind that if I miss 2 games a year, for every $50 cheapskate Bills fan I put in the stadium I also put a $250 Patriots fan. Lousy teams with lousy fanbases never pay face but good teams with good fanbases will pay 2x face value routinely for my seats, it's a wash from that standpoint of clean fans/dirty fans. And don't forget, all PSL owners know StubHub exists, we could have gone the a-la-carte way if we wanted to. We pay more than StubHub folks but we are in control, we have right of first refusal. We view StubHubbers as potential buyers, we like the fact that they exist, they mitigate losses that the pre-StubHub era used to force us to eat because there was no easy way to connect a seller to a buyer. My 4 seats cost $500 a game, if I can get back $200 I'm psyched, it used to be I'd have to eat the whole thing. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, SAR I said: Good points all, I can see the other side of the argument. What I can tell you simply from my Jets STH experience is that the other STH's around me all can't go to all 8 home games, they're always missing 2 or 3, and when someone else sits in their seats we are cordial and they really aren't much different than the rest of us. Down in the posh Coaches Club, different story, but for regular PSL locations a fan is a fan for the most part. Keep in mind that if I miss 2 games a year, for every $50 cheapskate Bills fan I put in the stadium I also put a $250 Patriots fan. Lousy teams with lousy fanbases never pay face but good teams with good fanbases will pay 2x face value routinely for my seats, it's a wash from that standpoint of clean fans/dirty fans. And don't forget, all PSL owners know StubHub exists, we could have gone the a-la-carte way if we wanted to. We pay more than StubHub folks but we are in control, we have right of first refusal. We view StubHubbers as potential buyers, we like the fact that they exist, they mitigate losses that the pre-StubHub era used to force us to eat because there was no easy way to connect a seller to a buyer. My 4 seats cost $500 a game, if I can get back $200 I'm psyched, it used to be I'd have to eat the whole thing. SAR I unless the yanks have research that indicates every single season ticket holder who drops out will be replaced by another one who will pay, so there would be no loss on that end, and then they're just left with a larger pool of fans looking for individual game tix who can't circumvent the high prices by relying on stub hub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 45 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: unless the yanks have research that indicates every single season ticket holder who drops out will be replaced by another one who will pay, so there would be no loss on that end, and then they're just left with a larger pool of fans looking for individual game tix who can't circumvent the high prices by relying on stub hub. Two points on this: First, there are people who simply won't pay more than X amount for a seat and if they've only been able to go to games because a $25 seat or a $50 seat have been available they're going to simply stop coming to games entirely. My nephew, he's 18, just got his license, he goes to 3 or 4 Yankees games a year because at the last minute on a beautiful weekend day he can pick up cheap tickets on StubHub for him and his girlfriend. If those tickets were $75 or $100, he simply can't afford to go. Second, there are people who will pay a fair price for a really good seating location (raises hand) and if the Yankees set it up to make it harder for season ticket holders to sell their tickets and makes the floor too expensive for the aftermarket, then all the good view seats won't be available to purchase at all. They'll be dried up just like 1980. Fans won't attend, those seats will be empty, but I won't be able to buy them. So my choices will be high prices and/or lousy views and therefore I won't go. Outside of, what, 15 weekend day games that people will pay an arm and a leg for where the stars align and the opponent and the starters and the weather are all ideal, the other 70 games are all mediocre and the Yankees plans will backfire. With a badly managed aftermarket it's a combination of no cheap seats for the young people and no great seats for the well-off people, neither will attend any more. Then you'll have STH's no-showing without a replacement, the place will be a ghost town. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Yankees have a right to do this but I think it's a bad business decision. The money is in concessions you need asses in the seats for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, SAR I said: The perks of season tickets are convenience and sitting next to a consistent group of fans who become your friends and your kids friends. If neither the inconvenience of hunting for tickets or the bonding of fans around you matters, absolutely, don't become a season ticket holder. SAR I Yup. Those particular benefits are not important to me. So, I have no need to invest in that way. There is never a ticket that cannot be had... never. And in the occasion that it's expensive, I'm still in the positive from all those games I couldn't/didn't want to go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 42 minutes ago, SAR I said: Two points on this: First, there are people who simply won't pay more than X amount for a seat and if they've only been able to go to games because a $25 seat or a $50 seat have been available they're going to simply stop coming to games entirely. My nephew, he's 18, just got his license, he goes to 3 or 4 Yankees games a year because at the last minute on a beautiful weekend day he can pick up cheap tickets on StubHub for him and his girlfriend. If those tickets were $75 or $100, he simply can't afford to go. Second, there are people who will pay a fair price for a really good seating location (raises hand) and if the Yankees set it up to make it harder for season ticket holders to sell their tickets and makes the floor too expensive for the aftermarket, then all the good view seats won't be available to purchase at all. They'll be dried up just like 1980. Fans won't attend, those seats will be empty, but I won't be able to buy them. So my choices will be high prices and/or lousy views and therefore I won't go. Outside of, what, 15 weekend day games that people will pay an arm and a leg for where the stars align and the opponent and the starters and the weather are all ideal, the other 70 games are all mediocre and the Yankees plans will backfire. With a badly managed aftermarket it's a combination of no cheap seats for the young people and no great seats for the well-off people, neither will attend any more. Then you'll have STH's no-showing without a replacement, the place will be a ghost town. SAR I of course, the way around this is to do business the 'old fashioned' way - to negotiate outside of stubhub and acquire the actual tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 The Stub Hubbers I see in my section actually scream and cheer for the team, plus they spend way more at the concession that the STHs in my section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, drdetroit said: Yankees have a right to do this but I think it's a bad business decision. The money is in concessions you need asses in the seats for that +1 The dumbest thing about the Yankees theory is that they'd rather see an empty $150 seat than see it sell to a season ticket holder for $150, get sold on StubHub for $75, have that fan buy food for $30, parking for $25, and make it look like people actually care about the Yankees on TV. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 43 minutes ago, gEYno said: Yup. Those particular benefits are not important to me. So, I have no need to invest in that way. There is never a ticket that cannot be had... never. And in the occasion that it's expensive, I'm still in the positive from all those games I couldn't/didn't want to go to. Very true. However, some of the games you wouldn't want to attend if given a choice sometimes turn out to be the best games in a given season. Either because of unexpected play on the field, gorgeous weather, the people sitting around you, family you gave a free ticket to, etc. When you have season tickets, the Jets become your Sunday priority. When you don't, it's work to get the tickets, find someone to go with, get a parking pass, it's easy to not bother, it's a different experience. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 39 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: of course, the way around this is to do business the 'old fashioned' way - to negotiate outside of stubhub and acquire the actual tickets. The old-fashioned way was Pennysaver ads, Newsday ads, brokers advertising next to massage parlors in the Post, and the Yellow Pages for an agency. All that did was create a ticket broking scalpers paradise, made a bunch of mobsters rich. It's much better today. Better for the season ticket holders and the fans. PSL's and StubHub got rid of the scalpers. We should all be grateful for that. Of course the Yankees would like it to go back the way it was, they had season ticket holders with no back door guaranteeing scattered seats would still sell at the box office and they had brokers running businesses that could turn a profit as it was the only way to get an aftermarket seat. Brokers and season ticket holders are no longer Yankee hostages. Fans win. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, SAR I said: The old-fashioned way was Pennysaver ads, Newsday ads, brokers advertising next to massage parlors in the Post, and the Yellow Pages for an agency. All that did was create a ticket broking scalpers paradise, made a bunch of mobsters rich. It's much better today. Better for the season ticket holders and the fans. PSL's and StubHub got rid of the scalpers. We should all be grateful for that. Of course the Yankees would like it to go back the way it was, they had season ticket holders with no back door guaranteeing scattered seats would still sell at the box office and they had brokers running businesses that could turn a profit as it was the only way to get an aftermarket seat. Brokers and season ticket holders are no longer Yankee hostages. Fans win. SAR I if they did this in the stock market they'd be in jail for manipulating stock prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 BTW, for anyone thinking the Jets wouldn't or couldn't do this, the Cowboys have done it. If you want to use stubhub, you need to go to the stubhub store across the street from the stadium to pick up hard tix. The Cowboys now have an app for tix, no print at home, no pdfs. If you want to easily sell, it is through ticketmaster ticketexchange, if you want to send to a friend, that friend will get an email and will need to create an account and download the app to their phone. If you want to use stubhub you need to mail them to stubhub. Also, the Cowboys are a psl stadium, where the psls are a lot more expensive than metlife from what I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 19 minutes ago, joebabyny said: BTW, for anyone thinking the Jets wouldn't or couldn't do this, the Cowboys have done it. If you want to use stubhub, you need to go to the stubhub store across the street from the stadium to pick up hard tix. The Cowboys now have an app for tix, no print at home, no pdfs. If you want to easily sell, it is through ticketmaster ticketexchange, if you want to send to a friend, that friend will get an email and will need to create an account and download the app to their phone. If you want to use stubhub you need to mail them to stubhub. Also, the Cowboys are a psl stadium, where the psls are a lot more expensive than metlife from what I understand. Just curious but have any of you ever tried screenshotting the barcode and texting it? I've done it for games at Wrigley out here in Chicago and it's worked fine every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 56 minutes ago, SAR I said: Very true. However, some of the games you wouldn't want to attend if given a choice sometimes turn out to be the best games in a given season. Either because of unexpected play on the field, gorgeous weather, the people sitting around you, family you gave a free ticket to, etc. When you have season tickets, the Jets become your Sunday priority. When you don't, it's work to get the tickets, find someone to go with, get a parking pass, it's easy to not bother, it's a different experience. SAR I No question there are many benefits, and surely I would enjoy having the season tickets, but just saying that the way things are currently constructed, I personally wouldn't be a buyer. That said, in the interest of full disclosure, this is purely an academic exercise at present, because I am the benefactor of corporate ticket connections that allow me to sit with the suits to just about whatever I want, whenever I want. But, there was a time before I had that perk, that I just preferred to buy for the games I wanted to/could go to. No doubt there's fun to be had beyond those games though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, gEYno said: I am the benefactor of corporate ticket connections that allow me to sit with the suits to just about whatever I want, whenever I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 35 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: When you get the tickets with the free food... Well, they serve plenty of these: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, joebabyny said: BTW, for anyone thinking the Jets wouldn't or couldn't do this, the Cowboys have done it. If you want to use stubhub, you need to go to the stubhub store across the street from the stadium to pick up hard tix. The Cowboys now have an app for tix, no print at home, no pdfs. If you want to easily sell, it is through ticketmaster ticketexchange, if you want to send to a friend, that friend will get an email and will need to create an account and download the app to their phone. If you want to use stubhub you need to mail them to stubhub. Also, the Cowboys are a psl stadium, where the psls are a lot more expensive than metlife from what I understand. Didn't know that. Do you know if the Cowboys set a floor price beneath which no one can sell the tickets? SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, SAR I said: Didn't know that. Do you know if the Cowboys set a floor price beneath which no one can sell the tickets? SAR I As far as I know, the NFL is the one in cahoots with Ticketmaster in rolling out Ticket Exchange, and the price floors are in effect for all the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Francesa said it perfectly today.....' the Yankess are still charging Tiffany prices when they are putting a KMART product on the field." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flushing Roots Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, SAR I said: +1 The dumbest thing about the Yankees theory is that they'd rather see an empty $150 seat than see it sell to a season ticket holder for $150, get sold on StubHub for $75, have that fan buy food for $30, parking for $25, and make it look like people actually care about the Yankees on TV. SAR I It is rather short sighted of the Yankees unless they don't give a sh*t about the food and parking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 29 minutes ago, section314 said: Francesa said it perfectly today.....' the Yankess are still charging Tiffany prices when they are putting a KMART product on the field." And it's more than that too. If anything, StubHub has shown us that most non-season tickets are bought 1-3 days before the event and things like day of week, weather, opponent, and starting pitcher really matter where in the past it was just something one couldn't control. The Yankees, and all major league teams, need to take a deep-dive at variable pricing, they really need to look at the fact that what's taking the building from 29,000 fans to 39,000 fans in a given month are $50 and under tickets on third-party sites. No one going to $50 games is going to pay $150, it's just not going to happen because teams shut the door on StubHub and wish it to be true. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, SAR I said: And it's more than that too. If anything, StubHub has shown us that most non-season tickets are bought 1-3 days before the event and things like day of week, weather, opponent, and starting pitcher really matter where in the past it was just something one couldn't control. The Yankees, and all major league teams, need to take a deep-dive at variable pricing, they really need to look at the fact that what's taking the building from 29,000 fans to 39,000 fans in a given month are $50 and under tickets on third-party sites. No one going to $50 games is going to pay $150, it's just not going to happen because teams shut the door on StubHub and wish it to be true. SAR I This, I can agree with you 100%. Variable pricing. Also incentives for students, teachers, nurses etc. Provide your school e-mail address or work e-mail address and if your school or work place is included in the Discount List, get tickets for half price. Charge $200 for a Saturday game but charge $50 for a weeknight game. Make an effort to fill the stadium 100% every single game. Yankees are a Sports club and they should realize it is their job to create an ambiance where players will play motivated. I am sure this way, Yankees can still make decent amount of money while securing a full stadium almost every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 There Are Two Ninja Turtles Behind Home Plate At Yankee Stadium Thanks To John Oliver Barry Petchesky Yesterday 1:50pm Filed to: NEW YORK YANKEES 215.1K 17335 The best seats in the house at Yankee Stadium this afternoon belong to a pair of dudes wearing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles costumes. And we all have Last Week Tonight to thank. To needle the Yankees over their new ticketing policies, designed to spare rich season-ticket holders from the ignominy of sitting next to “someone who has never sat in a premium location” before, Oliver offered 25-cent tickets to anyone willing to dress in a way to discomfit the Yankees. These two gentlemen are the first winners. The ESPN camera appears to be titled unusually low, maybe to keep the turtles as out-of-frame as possible. But their seats are too good to crop them out completely. As for their sectionmates? The Yankees need not have worried; most of the premium seats are empty. There will be more contest-winners in those seats for Wednesday’s and Thursday’s games. Can’t wait. @SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 This time, John Oliver contest winners at Yankees game wearing unicorn, shark outfits BY JUSTIN TASCH NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Wednesday, April 6, 2016, 8:38 PM A A A facebook 80 Tweet email SHARE THIS URL COURTESY HANNAH LEE (@HANNAHSUNGMI) VIA TWITTER John Oliver is 2-for-2 in getting extraordinarily dressed fans to sit in high-priced seats behind home plate at Yankee Stadium. After two fans dressed as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sat right behind home plate in the Bronx on Opening Day, visible from the center-field camera on every pitch, four fans — two dressed like Katy Perry’s sharks from her Super Bowl performance and two in turquoise unicorn costumes — sat in the second row Wednesday night, though they were just off camera toward the third-base side. All four were winners of the contest put forth by HBO's “Last Week Tonight” hosted by comedian John Oliver. Hannah Lee and her Brand Connections co-worker Michelle Munera dressed up as the unicorns and surrounding fans asked to pose for photos with them. They did not know the sharks, Ashley Lewis and Jennifer Sedgley, beforehand. CHARLES SYKES/INVISION/AP Comedian John Oliver of HBO's 'Last Week Tonight' pranks the Yankees by sending ridiculously dressed fans into the Legends section. “We found out this morning and it’s been awesome,” Lee told the Daily News. “Crowd is loving us." Oliver said he purchased pricy tickets to the first three Yankees games after Yankees COO Lonn Trost told WFAN, in regards to the team’s battle with StubHub, that fans who usually pay full price for the premium seats wouldn’t be comfortable next to a fan that “may be someone who has never sat in a premium location. So that’s a frustration to our existing fan base.” ROBERT SABO/NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Joe Spillo (l.) and John Welch, both of Yorktown, wear Ninja Turtle costumes into the Yankees premium seats during Opening Day as part of Oliver's gag. Oliver held a contest to give away the roughly $1,000 tickets for 25 cents apiece — “On one condition. You must dress like you have never sat in a premium location before.” The fans from Wednesday seem to fit the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COURTESY HANNAH LEE (@HANNAHSUNGMI) VIA TWITTER John Oliver is 2-for-2 in getting extraordinarily dressed fans to sit in high-priced seats behind home plate at Yankee Stadium. After two fans dressed as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sat right behind home plate in the Bronx on Opening Day, visible from the center-field camera on every pitch, four fans — two dressed like Katy Perry’s sharks from her Super Bowl performance and two in turquoise unicorn costumes — sat in the second row Wednesday night, though they were just off camera toward the third-base side. All four were winners of the contest put forth by HBO's “Last Week Tonight” hosted by comedian John Oliver. Hannah Lee and her Brand Connections co-worker Michelle Munera dressed up as the unicorns and surrounding fans asked to pose for photos with them. They did not know the sharks, Ashley Lewis and Jennifer Sedgley, beforehand. CHARLES SYKES/INVISION/AP Comedian John Oliver of HBO's 'Last Week Tonight' pranks the Yankees by sending ridiculously dressed fans into the Legends section. “We found out this morning and it’s been awesome,” Lee told the Daily News. “Crowd is loving us." Oliver said he purchased pricy tickets to the first three Yankees games after Yankees COO Lonn Trost told WFAN, in regards to the team’s battle with StubHub, that fans who usually pay full price for the premium seats wouldn’t be comfortable next to a fan that “may be someone who has never sat in a premium location. So that’s a frustration to our existing fan base.” ROBERT SABO/NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Joe Spillo (l.) and John Welch, both of Yorktown, wear Ninja Turtle costumes into the Yankees premium seats during Opening Day as part of Oliver's gag. Oliver held a contest to give away the roughly $1,000 tickets for 25 cents apiece — “On one condition. You must dress like you have never sat in a premium location before.” The fans from Wednesday seem to fit the bill.
pdxgreen Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I hate Hall Steinbrenner. He bitches about payroll tax and then nickels and dimes the Yankees despite making hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. What a putz. He makes Woody look like Paul Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no psls Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 On 2/20/2016 at 10:22 AM, SAR I said: Love the Yankees, but their position against StubHub as if it's the problem with their ticket doldrums is just an awful decision for their season ticket holders. Adore the Jets, but if they ever made it any harder to sell seats to games I simply cannot attend I'd seriously consider giving them up. SAR I YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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