nycdan Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, roscoeword said: why is it that such trades in the NFL are rarely done? In baseball, the Cubs, for example, will trade one of their big hitters for a pitcher, from a team rich in pitchers and lacking hitters. But in football it rarely happens. Why don't you see that type of thing in football? Salary cap makes it a lot harder to trade vets in football. Creates a ton of dead money in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, roscoeword said: why is it that such trades in the NFL are rarely done? In baseball, the Cubs, for example, will trade one of their big hitters for a pitcher, from a team rich in pitchers and lacking hitters. But in football it rarely happens. Why don't you see that type of thing in football? Dead money from cap hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Savage69 said: You don't think Mo,Sheldon or Leo couldn't do both systems?? Ellis and Abe did.. As a D Tackle I guess.. Mo and Leo are un-movable, and the Cowboys have 4 guys currently under discipline issues, so they aren't really ideal for Sheldon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 minute ago, drdetroit said: See if we can get the rights to Anthony Davis from the 49ers for a middle round pick Dude quit football and returned after a year when he wasn't injured . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 minute ago, drdetroit said: Dead money from cap hits Sniped like a boss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Just now, chirorob said: As a D Tackle I guess.. Mo and Leo are un-movable, and the Cowboys have 4 guys currently under discipline issues, so they aren't really ideal for Sheldon. Aren't the Cowboys getting fined. for just for having three players on suspension at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Just now, drdetroit said: Aren't the Cowboys getting fined. for just for having three players on suspension at the same time? Feels like the Bengals of a few years back. They practically had to hold OTAs in the local penitentiary to get all their players involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, roscoeword said: why is it that such trades in the NFL are rarely done? In baseball, the Cubs, for example, will trade one of their big hitters for a pitcher, from a team rich in pitchers and lacking hitters. But in football it rarely happens. Why don't you see that type of thing in football? If it's a veteran player, there is a cap hit to move them. Also, different players don't always translate perfectly to other systems. In baseball, you just pitch, or play out field, there's no difference from team to team really. A running back in one type of offense does different then in others. In season trades are even harder, it takes so long to pick up an offense or a defense, to learn what you should be doing. Baseball, if you throw 95, every mound is the same, you just keep throwing 95. And, for some reason, football never has done a lot of trades like baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Tinstar said: Dude quit football and returned after a year when he wasn't injured . It's worth a look. Otherwise it may be too late to fix the OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Aren't the Cowboys getting fined. for just for having three players on suspension at the same time? That's it, correct. The LB just got his upped to 10 games instead of 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 48 minutes ago, chirorob said: If it's a veteran player, there is a cap hit to move them. Also, different players don't always translate perfectly to other systems. In baseball, you just pitch, or play out field, there's no difference from team to team really. A running back in one type of offense does different then in others. In season trades are even harder, it takes so long to pick up an offense or a defense, to learn what you should be doing. Baseball, if you throw 95, every mound is the same, you just keep throwing 95. And, for some reason, football never has done a lot of trades like baseball. To add on this: The absence of a true salary cap also makes the trades beneficial to the teams. A team with sufficient revenue and desire can pay the luxury tax to acquire and trade players until it builds the best team and then keep building the best team for the next stretch of games. Players can be traded, sent down to minors or cut with no similar dead weight problem as football. Baseball developed a culture of interchangeability on both players and teams from very early on. That's easy to do when you have lots of team and a six month season with daily games where players are being paid for at least half the year to play. You can be a professional player and maybe pick up a job for a few months in the offseason if you needed. Pro football is a shorter season with far fewer teams. It's harder to be a professional player on a third of the year playing once a week--at least until salaries rose significantly. That's why early NFL players aside from maybe a handful of stars had regular full time jobs during the week. You can't just move if you have another job and a family to provide for during the week and if you could there were far fewer options where you could be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Apparently the coaching staff is high on Brent Qvale and think he can start at RT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 10 hours ago, Jetster said: Yes, that's what the Cowboys need, one more defensive player staring at a year long suspension,lol. What's the fine for having 4 guys suspended at the same time? Actually that's a bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Just came across this... Quote Cowboys working out linebackers Posted by Josh Alper on August 2, 2016, 1:28 PM EDT Getty Images Rolando McClain is suspended for the first 10 games of the regular season and hasn’t reported to training camp, leaving the Cowboys down one linebacker they thought would be in the lineup for them this season. Executive vice president Stephen Jones said on Monday that the team would be looking at a few other options on Tuesday. Brandon George of theDallas Morning News reports that the group includes former Eagle Emmanuel Acho and former Giant James Morris. Acho, who went to high school in Dallas before attending the University of Texas, was cut by the Eagles before the start of last season. He played 20 games and made two starts during the 2013 and 2014 seasons. Morris had two tackles in six games for the Giants last year and was waived in May. George reports that Quayshawn Nealy is also working out. Nealy was waived by the Cardinals when they signed Donald Butler last week and has also spent offseason and/or practice squad time with the Seahawks and Buccaneers. If it's LBer they need, we could theoretically offer them some of our promising young guys for OL help. Or, dare I say, trade them David Harris for a starter on the OL. They have the depth to replace whoever they ship us, and Harris would be perfect for that D... while we have Henderson, Darron Lee, and Taiwon Jones amongst others that can play ILB. The fan in me would hate trading away a good Jet, who could very likely retire with us and be a Jet his whole career... but it does make some sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 23 hours ago, drdetroit said: Apparently the coaching staff is high on Brent Qvale and think he can start at RT for better or worse i think this definitely influences their thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 On August 1, 2016 at 11:13 AM, varjet said: Just remember Pete Kendall and Adrian Clark. The Jets had a team that looked good, but Tannenbaum decided to stiff Pete Kendall and took more chances on the OL. The season basically collapsed. That lesson basically led Tannenbaum to draft Brick and Mangold and then sign others (Mawae, Faneca, Woody) aggressively so that the Jets had a solid line. I'm not the best with remembering timelines either, but this is all-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 This OL worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 If Qvale can step up that would be great. And I don't want to sound like super optimistic, but I am not prepare to write Winters off. It's Breno that I think is pretty much proven to have limited upside. Seattle is a smart, well-run team, and it's painfully obvious they were not wrong to get rid of him. Still, I agree Fitz makes the concerns about the OL less than they would be if Smith was the qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 Winters is the least of our problems. He held his own against Suh-he is a nasty fighter. Macc is supposed to know the health of his players in the off season. If Breno can't practice now-that is a problem. I would borrow from 2017 to get another tackle. We need more than Brandon Shell (who could be good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 With Cowboys backup going down, rumors of geno to Dallas heating up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 35 minutes ago, jgb said: With Cowboys backup going down, rumors of geno to Dallas heating up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Conditional 8th round pick for Geno and I'm down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Unless the Cowboys are offering a pick higher than 4th Rd do not trade Geno. Do you guys remember Parcells getting rid of Foley only to have Vinny get injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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