Broncos getting tired of Sanchez mistakes

[nyjunc]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He was terrible his first 2 seasons, just as he has been his whole career.  He was always a top 5 reason why we lost games and almost never a top reason why we won.  # 1 defense and # 1 running game in 2009.  Also elite in both categories his 2nd season.  He was by far the # 1 reason we failed to win the Super Bowl either season. 

this may be the most misinformed post I have ever read on a message board, you couldn't be more wrong.

[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

the injury was nothing more than an excuse, he was not good the majority of that season.  they had a weak sched, no Brady and STILL couldn't make the playoffs while our old QB took a 1 win team and won 11 and a div title.

Man, Hackenberg has no idea what he's just walked into. 

[Bleedin Green]

32 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Geez, I'm hoping in 5 years we're not still having 10 page treads on smith/Fitz

Yeah, I kind of knew what I was doing the second I dared cite Sanchez's lackluster championship games.  But what can I say, it's a rare slow/boring day at work.  Besides, it seemed like a good time to mix up which QB we were crapping on.

[Integrity28]

23 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

have the coaches told him he doesn't have the job? have they been criticizing him?  by all accounts he's had a good camp, show me the negative articles that are actually about what he has done in camp?

First question seems obvious, since they haven't told him he does have the job either. Second question is irrelevant. Third question is part speculation (bold) and the rest deflecting.

If you want to try to manufacture a debate out of it, I'm afraid you're going to be chasing your own tail. It's not debatable. He's a veteran, Simian is a nobody, if Sanchez was doing "good", then he'd have the job. Given that he's an accomplished veteran.

 

[Bleedin Green]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

the Pitt O destroyed us all 1st half, they get the ball near midfield they are scoring.  The D sh*t them out but couldn't stop them when we needed it most.

he got blindsided in that Steeler game, it was stupid to try and throw on 3rd and long.  our D cost us BOTH title games

he missed 2 makeable FGs

no he wasn't, Pitt controlled the clock most of that 1st half, he had limited opps and we had some bad penalties.  he was way down the list why we didn't win that day- he gave us a chance w/ no run game.

In the Colts game, the offense scored a grand total of 17 points.  3 of those came on a turnover in which the Jets O then proceeded to lose yards on the ensuing drive.  The defense is far from blameless for that game, but the offense did literally nothing for 3 out of 4 quarters of the game.

In the Steelers game, the offense scored 17 points for the Jets and handed 7 points to the Steelers.  The defense allowed 17 points, and scored 2 of their own.  There is no legitimate argument that can be made that the defense is at greater fault for such a game.  You're quite literally saying that a defense is solely responsible for any loss in which they allow the opposition to score more than 9 points.  In the end, the margin of Steelers' victory was less than the points handed to them while the defense was on the sidelines.  This a matter of pure fact.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

In the Colts game, the offense scored a grand total of 17 points.  3 of those came on a turnover in which the Jets O then proceeded to lose yards on the ensuing drive.  The defense is far from blameless for that game, but the offense did literally nothing for 3 out of 4 quarters of the game.

In the Steelers game, the offense scored 17 points for the Jets and handed 7 points to the Steelers.  The defense allowed 17 points, and scored 2 of their own.  There is no legitimate argument that can be made that the defense is at greater fault for such a game.  You're quite literally saying that a defense is solely responsible for any loss in which they allow the opposition to score more than 9 points.  In the end, the margin of Steelers' victory was less than the points handed to them while the defense was on the sidelines.  This a matter of pure fact.

it's his fault they went conservative after the fumble and handed off losing yards?  the bottom line is they were up 11 pts late in the 1st half.

 

The D scored 2 pts at Pitt b/c Pitt started at their 1 and they FUMBLED the snap, it was nothign the D did and when the O got it to a 1 score game w/ plenty of time all the D needed to do was allow ONE 1st down(zero would have been nice) and they couldn't do it.  The D set the tone from the start allowing a 10 min TD drive before our O ever saw the field.

[ZachEY]

Guys... Just checking in... Regarding Indy and Pittsburgh... Are football games still 60 minutes/2 halves?  Or did they change that?

[Savage69]

36 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And what exactly does that have to do with Rex sucking at his job?

I always get a kick when the Rex haters get tweaked when you mention a HOF HC that also had the same problem with his D giving up points resulting in a loss.. Then If one says Rex took the team to back to back AFCCG's the retort is well he did it with Mangini's team a HC that never won a playoff game and the QB he dumped in 2008 won the East in a Brady-less year taking a 1-15 team to 11-5 and the playoffs..

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

I always get a kick when the Rex haters get tweaked when you mention a HOF HC that also had the same problem with his D giving up points resulting in a loss.. Then If one says Rex took the team to back to back AFCCG's the retort is well he did it with Mangini's team a HC that never won a playoff game and the QB he dumped in 2008 won the East in a Brady-less year taking a 1-15 team to 11-5 and the playoffs..

The examples you provide, of a HOF coach, were wrapped around tons of success.  Parcells led multiple franchises to Super Bowls and won when he got there. 

Rex's entire HC career has been a failure.  He has a career losing record.  His teams choked in big games, then he went on to suck for the next 5 years of coaching and still sucks. 

Comparing Rex's failures to successful coach's failures doesn't make Rex less of a total failure, or take away from Parcells being a HOFer.

I get a kick out of all the excuses you make for Rex, always with a different smiley to try to make us think you don't actually still support him.  Keep going. 

You claim Rex haters get "tweaked".  Actually, you get "tweaked" just as much, and feel the need to defend him every single time he's mentioned.  You do realize he coaches a division rival now, right?

[Bleedin Green]

21 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

it's his fault they went conservative after the fumble and handed off losing yards?  the bottom line is they were up 11 pts late in the 1st half.

 

The D scored 2 pts at Pitt b/c Pitt started at their 1 and they FUMBLED the snap, it was nothign the D did and when the O got it to a 1 score game w/ plenty of time all the D needed to do was allow ONE 1st down(zero would have been nice) and they couldn't do it.  The D set the tone from the start allowing a 10 min TD drive before our O ever saw the field.

I didn't blame Sanchez for that loss of yards, but the offense still did less than nothing to earn 3 of those points you keep trying to use as praise.  Again, the defense most certainly deserves it's share of the blame, but outside of some success in the 2nd quarter (half of of which was dependent on one play where the Colts forgot to cover Edwards), the offense didn't contribute anything for the rest of the game.  17 total points, 3 of which were actually earned by defense and special teams, is a mediocre-at-best performance.

 

That's interesting, I don't see you dismissing any points scored by the offense that were due to screw ups by the opposing team (e.g., Edwards' uncovered TD against the Colts).  In the end, those are points that the defense did score, and the offense did not.  The offense scored 17 for the Jets, 7 for the Steelers.  These are points of fact.  Make all of the excuses you want, that is an awful showing from the offense by any measure.  Your entire argument is dependent on the Jets defense being considered entirely at fault for a loss when daring to allow more than 9 points, or somehow still the defense being at fault when the offense is incapable of scoring 16 more points for their own team than they score for the opposition over the course of an entire game.

[nyjunc]

8 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

I didn't blame Sanchez for that loss of yards, but the offense still did less than nothing to earn 3 of those points you keep trying to use as praise.  Again, the defense most certainly deserves it's share of the blame, but outside of some success in the 2nd quarter (half of of which was dependent on one play where the Colts forgot to cover Edwards), the offense didn't contribute anything for the rest of the game.  17 total points, 3 of which were actually earned by defense and special teams, is a mediocre-at-best performance.

 

That's interesting, I don't see you dismissing any points scored by the offense that were due to screw ups by the opposing team (e.g., Edwards' uncovered TD against the Colts).  In the end, those are points that the defense did score, and the offense did not.  The offense scored 17 for the Jets, 7 for the Steelers.  These are points of fact.  Make all of the excuses you want, that is an awful showing from the offense by any measure.  Your entire argument is dependent on the Jets defense being considered entirely at fault for a loss when daring to allow more than 9 points, or somehow still the defense being at fault when the offense is incapable of scoring 16 more points for their own team than they score for the opposition over the course of an entire game.

and they did a great job on the TD drives, who cares?  the bottom line is they led by 11 late in the 1st half, big time Ds don't blow those types of leads.

 

the colts forgot to cover Edwards?  no credit to mark for a great fake and throwing a perfect strike while Freeney was about to crush him?

 

the D was the main culprit in both losses.  we were a D first team and our D was bullied at Pitt and fell flat at Indy.  

[ZachEY]

Also, they were Tannenbaum's teams that made it there, primarily.  He gets the credit, if you want to call it credit, for building a team good enough to lose in back to back AFC Championships and then be to old, and two expensive to continue on successfully, leaving the franchise in cap hell.

[Charlie Brown]

The Mark Sanchez hate out here is INSANE!!!!

How about this report from yesterday...

Mark Sanchez, Trevor Siemian strong in Broncos, 49ers joint practice

By Cameron Wolfe | cwolfe@denverpost.com

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/17/mark-sanchez-trevor-siemian-broncos/

PUBLISHED: August 17, 2016 at 2:01 pm | UPDATED: August 18, 2016 at 9:45 am

 

NFL reporter Cameron Wolfe analyzes how Broncos quarterbacks Mark Sanchez, Trevor Siemian and Paxton Lynch performed at practice Wednesday.

Sanchez – Maybe it was facing the 49ers defenders instead of his own, but he looked more accurate and confident in his command of  the offense Wednesday. It showed in his production. His best pass of the day was a perfectly placed go route down the right sideline to receiver Cody Latimer. He also hit Emmanuel Sanders for a touchdown during an impressive two-minute drive.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Please hate on Sanchez if you like but please tell the Truth!!

Good Grief!!!  

[ZachEY]

4 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

and they did a great job on the TD drives, who cares?  the bottom line is they led by 11 late in the 1st half, big time Ds don't blow those types of leads.

So, when would it be the offenses fault?  Lets say the Jets scored a TD on the opening kickoff.  There is now 14:52 left in the first quarter.  The offense does not score all game.  The Jets lose 10-7.  Who do you blame?

What is the threshold?

[Pac]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 Sanchez isn't a "game manager".  He's a gunslinger who doesn't throw TD's.  Even if you limit his # of throws in a game to about 20, he'll still find a way to turn it over in backbreaking fashion.

 

You just perfectly described your heros 11 year career.

p.s. Sanchez had 5 less TD's throwing to Plaxico Burress and Santonio Holmes.  Meditate on that one for a while.

[Larz]

august 8

Mark Sanchez:

Mark Sanchez is known for his big-time turnovers and mental blunders and both were on display during today's practice session.

Roby has pick-sixes off Sanchez in two consecutive practices.

— Andrew Mason (@MaseDenver) August 8, 2016

 

Sanchez threw his 3rd pick 6 of camp today when cornerback Bradley Roby intercepted him and took it back to the house. This is the second consecutive practice where Sanchez has been pick 6'd by Roby, and also had another one to Lorenzo Doss earlier in camp.

 

He has also had a few other interceptions during camp as well. One of them was a spectacular play by rookie safety Justin Simmons.

The blunders didn't stop there sadly.

During a two-minute drill, the offense is down 2 and has no timeouts and Mark Sanchez has to take them down the field and into scoring position. Well, Sanchez took a knee when he shouldn't have and this led to the defense celebrating.

Another amazing Sanchez moment. Walk thru. Goal line down 2 no timeouts gotta stop clock or time runs out. Sanchez takes a knee. Walk thru!

— Darren McKee (@dmac1043) August 8, 2016

 

Turnovers and mental blunders like this will not win you a starting job. The idea that Mark Sanchez would turn his career around in Denver and clear up his mistakes appears to be very very wrong.

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Pac said:

You just perfectly described your heros 11 year career.

p.s. Sanchez had 5 less TD's throwing to Plaxico Burress and Santonio Holmes.  Meditate on that one for a while.

Oh look, Sanchez's biggest defender made an appearance. 

No QB in NFL history had more turnovers over a 4-year period.  Statistically, Mark Sanchez was worse than Joey Harrington over his tenure as Jets starter.  "Meditate" on that.

[nyjunc]

11 minutes ago, gEYno said:

So, when would it be the offenses fault?  Lets say the Jets scored a TD on the opening kickoff.  There is now 14:52 left in the first quarter.  The offense does not score all game.  The Jets lose 10-7.  Who do you blame?

What is the threshold?

each game is different.  I never said the O doesn't get any blame but the main culprit in both losses was the D.  

[Pac]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh look, Sanchez's biggest defender made an appearance. 

No QB in NFL history had more turnovers over a 4-year period.  Statistically, Mark Sanchez was worse than Joey Harrington over his tenure as Jets starter.  "Meditate" on that.

meditate on the fact that for a couple years the weapons he had at his disposal were potentially the worst collection of receivers in decades.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Pac said:

meditate on the fact that for a couple years the weapons he had at his disposal were potentially the worst collection of receivers in decades.

You have no ability to reconcile why Sanchez has only thrown 86 TD's in 72 games as an NFL QB without blaming it on someone else.  Even though he walked into a perfect situation as a rookie.

He's a loser, and his 3rd different NFL franchise is realizing that now, too, even when he has Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders to throw to.  He'll lose his job to an undrafted free agent.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh look, Sanchez's biggest defender made an appearance. 

No QB in NFL history had more turnovers over a 4-year period.  Statistically, Mark Sanchez was worse than Joey Harrington over his tenure as Jets starter.  "Meditate" on that.

Really?

mark 2009-2012: 89 TOs

Eli Manning 2010-2013: 95 TOs

 

intelligent football fans don't just look at stats and Mark's #s are not worse than harrington's.  

 

Do you do anything but make things up?

 

 

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

You have no ability to reconcile why Sanchez has only thrown 86 TD's in 72 games as an NFL QB without blaming it on someone else.  Even though he walked into a perfect situation as a rookie.

He's a loser, and his 3rd different NFL franchise is realizing that now, too, even when he has Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders to throw to.  He'll lose his job to an undrafted free agent.

a situation so perfect that a Hall of fame QB couldn't get the team to the playoffs a year earlier against a weaker sched and w/o Tom Brady around.  

 

he's a loser w/ a winning record in the reg season and postseason unlike Fitz- but hey at least Fitz is .500 in postseason!(0-0)

[Bleedin Green]

17 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

and they did a great job on the TD drives, who cares?  the bottom line is they led by 11 late in the 1st half, big time Ds don't blow those types of leads.

 

the colts forgot to cover Edwards?  no credit to mark for a great fake and throwing a perfect strike while Freeney was about to crush him?

 

the D was the main culprit in both losses.  we were a D first team and our D was bullied at Pitt and fell flat at Indy.  

And mediocre offenses don't get shut out for 3 out of 4 quarters.

Colts game deserves shared blame, no doubt there.  Your pretending that the offense deserves praise for 14 points is laughable.

Steelers game saw the offense score 17 points for their team, 7 for the opposing team.  Jets D allowed 17 points to the opposing team, scored 2 for their own.  Your argument is that the former is better performance than the latter, which is completely without any merit at all.  Let's get it a point of comparison, shall we?  Last year, the #1 scoring D in the league, the Seahawks, gave up 17.3 PPG, more than the Jets defense allowed in this game you look to blame them for.  The #32 scoring offense in the league, the 49ers, scored 14.9 PPG.  The #31 scoring O was the Cowboys with 17.2.  If we're nice enough to disregard the fact that the Jets offense really only contributed 10 points in their team's favor, and give them credit for the full 17, that makes them only slightly worse than the second-worst offense of last year, not the very worst one.

[dbatesman]

2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Really?

mark 2009-2012: 89 TOs

Eli Manning 2010-2013: 95 TOs

 

intelligent football fans don't just look at stats and Mark's #s are not worse than harrington's.  

 

Do you do anything but make things up?

 

 

Career Interception Percentage

Eli Manning: 3.2

Joey Harrington: 3.3

Mark Sanchez: 3.7

[dbatesman]

btw, isn't it fun to do this all over again? I'm getting a little misty-eyed over here.

[Bleedin Green]

1 minute ago, dbatesman said:

btw, isn't it fun to do this all over again? I'm getting a little misty-eyed over here.

Ah, the good ole days.

So when are we starting up the Pennington thread?

[dbatesman]

1 minute ago, Bleedin Green said:

Ah, the good ole days.

So when are we starting up the Pennington thread?

Dropped interceptions throwdown. Right here. Right now.

[JiFtheOracle]

Jets fan have such hard time letting go.  It's like we're the fan base that gets excited if an ex-girlfriend gets fat after a break up.

20 years from now Rex and Sanchez will be still be a hot topic around.  Sad, really. 

[nyjunc]

9 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

And mediocre offenses don't get shut out for 3 out of 4 quarters.

Colts game deserves shared blame, no doubt there.  Your pretending that the offense deserves praise for 14 points is laughable.

Steelers game saw the offense score 17 points for their team, 7 for the opposing team.  Jets D allowed 17 points to the opposing team, scored 2 for their own.  Your argument is that the former is better performance than the latter, which is completely without any merit at all.  Let's get it a point of comparison, shall we?  Last year, the #1 scoring D in the league, the Seahawks, gave up 17.3 PPG, more than the Jets defense allowed in this game you look to blame them for.  The #32 scoring offense in the league, the 49ers, scored 14.9 PPG.  The #31 scoring O was the Cowboys with 17.2.  If we're nice enough to disregard the fact that the Jets offense really only contributed 10 points in their team's favor, and give them credit for the full 17, that makes them only slightly worse than the second-worst offense of last year, not the very worst one.

Pitt's O toyed w/ us in the 2nd half, when they needed to make plays they made them such as that last drive.  The Pitt O controlled the clock all 1st half, they set the tone. you can win scoring 17 pts.  NYG won the 2011 title game scoring 17 pts in regulation

8 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Career Interception Percentage

Eli Manning: 3.2

Joey Harrington: 3.3

Mark Sanchez: 3.7

Mark has more TDs than INts, Harrington has more INts than TDs.  

[nyjunc]

8 minutes ago, JiF said:

Jets fan have such hard time letting go.  It's like we're the fan base that gets excited if an ex-girlfriend gets fat after a break up.

20 years from now Rex and Sanchez will be still be a hot topic around.  Sad, really. 

as soon as we have more success I think we'll stop talking about those guys.  

[dbatesman]

31 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Mark has more TDs than INts, Harrington has more INts than TDs.  

oh

[Jetsfan80]

40 minutes ago, JiF said:

Jets fan have such hard time letting go.  It's like we're the fan base that gets excited if an ex-girlfriend gets fat after a break up.

20 years from now Rex and Sanchez will be still be a hot topic around.  Sad, really. 

We had a roster capable of winning a Super Bowl 2 years in a row.  And 2 guys, Rex and Sanchez, f*cked it up.  So yeah, you'll have to forgive people for being a little bitter.

[Bleedin Green]

10 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Pitt's O toyed w/ us in the 2nd half, when they needed to make plays they made them such as that last drive.  The Pitt O controlled the clock all 1st half, they set the tone. you can win scoring 17 pts.  NYG won the 2011 title game scoring 17 pts in regulation

 

The first part of your argument is purse nonsense, considering that it's based entirely around something you have simply convinced yourself of because it is what you want to believe, with absolutely no evidence to support it.  If you are going to play that game, then the same can be said of the offense's scoring drives.  Using your theory, Pitt's D simply allowed the Jets to have a long, slow drives to "toy with them" and kill the clock.  Interestingly enough, there's actually more evidence to support that than the idea that Pitt's offense was really pulling one over on the Jets with all of their failed drives.  But of course, that doesn't fit your agenda, so you make sure to keep your twisted logic limited solely to fitting your own agenda.

As far as your second point, that could not possibly be more meaningless.  Teams have also won games scoring 3 points, what does that mean?  By your logic, that would somehow prove when a team has lost a game where their offense scored 3 points, the offense did it's part and the defense failed.

[JiFtheOracle]

12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

We had a roster capable of winning a Super Bowl 2 years in a row.  And 2 guys, Rex and Sanchez, f*cked it up.  So yeah, you'll have to forgive people for being a little bitter.

wow

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, dbatesman said:

btw, isn't it fun to do this all over again? I'm getting a little misty-eyed over here.

Does it count as "all over again" if there was never discernible interruption to doing it in the first place? Serious question.