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AFCEastFan

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1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Serious questions that imply answers to your questions:

Why does it have to be that the pats had to absolutely stomp them out to prove that they cheated? Couldn't it simply be that cheating gave them just enough of a competitive edge to beat a team that was statistically significantly better and far more experienced than the patriots that season?

Even if spygate did give them more than just a competitive edge and literally gave them everything they needed to win, do you genuinely think belichick would be stupid enough to employ it and straight up demolish a team that they were 14 point underdogs against on the biggest stage?

That would be like the dumb kid in class copying every single answer off of the smart kid, instead of just enough to reasonably pass without making it obvious that he cheated his way through it. 

Why can't it be that the team favored to win by 14 is butthurt for choking away the game, but also is butthurt because they know there was something more to it than just legit football? The two are not mutually exclusive. 

Sure.  Anything is possible.  

Belichick has never cared about running up the score, though.   And his goal in the Super Bowl is to win the Super Bowl, not to allow the other team to tie and potentially win the game just so he will be able to say "but we only won by 3 points" in the event that he gets nailed in a videotaping investigation more than 5 years in the future.  

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22 minutes ago, AFCEastFan said:

Sure.  Anything is possible.  

Belichick has never cared about running up the score, though.   And his goal in the Super Bowl is to win the Super Bowl, not to allow the other team to tie and potentially win the game just so he will be able to say "but we only won by 3 points" in the event that he gets nailed in a videotaping investigation more than 5 years in the future.  

Disagree with the running up the score part. There is ample evidence that he loves running up the score.

As for your other stuff...no point in discussing this further. You want to believe that spygate had no effect on the pats, and that the whole "cover-up" by Goodell to protect the shield is all just part of a theory from jets fans with tinfoil hats, fine by me. I subscribe to the fact that he did the pats a favor and only docked a few picks and fined them for it with the understanding that they wouldn't do it again, and then they did it again, which is why Goodell went as far as he did with deflategate a decade later for something that was significantly and undeniably less of an offense. 

Regardless of how level headed we try to be, ultimately, you are what you are - a pats fan. I am what I am - a Jets fan. 

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Just now, greenwichjetfan said:

Disagree with the running up the score part. There is ample evidence that he loves running up the score.

As for your other stuff...no point in discussing this further. You want to believe that spygate had no effect on the pats, and that the whole "cover-up" by Goodell to protect the shield is all just part of a theory from jets fans with tinfoil hats, fine by me. I subscribe to the fact that he did the pats a favor and only docked a few picks and fined them for it with the understanding that they wouldn't do it again, and then they did it again, which is why Goodell went as far as he did with deflategate a decade later for something that was significantly and undeniably less of an offense. 

Regardless of how level headed we try to be, ultimately, you are what you are - a pats fan. I am what I am - a Jets fan. 

Agreed (unfortunately) that we must agree to disagree.  If our team allegiances were reversed, our views on this topic would probably likewise be reversed as well. 

I think we are saying the same thing on the running up the score part (and I may have misspoke) -- I meant that he doesn't care about keeping the score down.  Cheating or not, I think he would have put a 60-burger on the Rams if he could have.  

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1 hour ago, AFCEastFan said:

Wish you had posted this in 2008.  For years I had been laboring under the mistaken assumption that the Patriots blew their chance at a 19-0 season because the Giants just completely outplayed them.  Now I know that that was impossible and the Giants must have cheated.  Not surprising, given that team's reputation for faking injuries to gain a competitive advantage during games -- who knows what else they must have done to gain a competitive advantage against a far superior team?     

Just because some cheat and win as a result of that cheating does not imply that all teams who win must have done so as a result of cheating.

Nice try.

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. . . or maybe Mike Martz was wrong for having the hubris to believe any play that comes out of his head is guaranteed to gain 50 yards solely because the opposing team has never before borne witness to that particular slice of his genius.

. . . or maybe the Rams walked into the game expecting a coronation (Ricky Proehl right before the game "tonight, a dynasty is born" -- oh, the ironing) and lost their competitive drive when they were getting hit hard even if the play was not coming their way.

If the Patriots "knew what plays were coming", how did Kurt Warner manage to pass for 350+ yards? 

If the Patriots "knew what plays were coming", how did Marshall Faulk manage to run for nearly 5 yards a pop and go over 125 yards rushing and receiving? 

If the Patriots "knew what plays were coming", how did the Rams manage to tie the game from a 14-point deficit?

At what point does the butthurt of a team that choked away a Super Bowl to a 14-point dog replace the reality of what actually happened during the game?

Good questions all.  

Ahh, Shaaaduuup...Take it like a man, Your team cheats to the bitter end and gets caught only some of the time...end of story

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1 hour ago, AFCEastFan said:

Sure.  Anything is possible.  

Belichick has never cared about running up the score, though.   And his goal in the Super Bowl is to win the Super Bowl, not to allow the other team to tie and potentially win the game just so he will be able to say "but we only won by 3 points" in the event that he gets nailed in a videotaping investigation more than 5 years in the future.  

The delusion of Cheatriots fans know no bounds.  That scumbag piece of sh*t a$$hole was going for it on 4th and longs up 30 points the year that Brady broke the TD record.

 

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6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

As for the title of this thread goes.....the last word on deflate gate won't be out for some time.  Sooner or later the ball boy/trainer lackeys will cave in and tell all.

I'm telling you...the tell all Netflix Documentary Series will win an Emmy.  There will be as much verifiable proof the Cheatriots are the biggest frauds in the history of sports as there is proof that the earth is round.

And Cheatriot fans will still be defending them warped in their world of delusion. 

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2 hours ago, Jet Fan RI said:

I think you mean every scientist in New England. In fact, it is the data in the game day simulation section of the technical report that definitively demonstrates deflation of the Pat balls in excess of natural causes. The results of that section are summarized in two graphs that present the data, both the Exponent experiment data and the officials game-day data. Not a single one of the "reputable" scientists you mention addressed the data presented in those two graphs. Every report I saw that supposedly "tore Exponent's report" to shreds latched onto one tiny aspect of the report, or another and made invalid points about it.

And bud, I not only took middle school science. I have a Ph.D. in physics. 

The fact is that without any scientific data at all it was obvious that Tom Brady conspired with his equipment managers to deflate footballs. They have text messages with one of them being nicknamed, "The Deflator," for fvcks sake. We know that Brady and those guys sent a million text messages in the days following the revelation that the deflated balls were being investigated. Of course, we don't have all the texts because coincidentally that was also the week that Tom Brady had originally planned to replace his phone and destroy his old one with a bazooka. 

Oh, and there's video of good ol' Tom expressing his preference for deflated footballs. 

Cheata, please...

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5 minutes ago, slats said:

The fact is that without any scientific data at all it was obvious that Tom Brady conspired with his equipment managers to deflate footballs. They have text messages with one of them being nicknamed, "The Deflator," for fvcks sake. We know that Brady and those guys sent a million text messages in the days following the revelation that the deflated balls were being investigated. Of course, we don't have all the texts because coincidentally that was also the week that Tom Brady had originally planned to replace his phone and destroy his old one with a bazooka. 

Oh, and there's video of good ol' Tom expressing his preference for deflated footballs. 

Cheata, please...

Bu.. bu.. bu... but what about the ideal gas law and sh1t?

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19 minutes ago, JiF said:

The delusion of Cheatriots fans know no bounds.  That scumbag piece of sh*t a$$hole was going for it on 4th and longs up 30 points the year that Brady broke the TD record.

 

Sheeesh.  I know it could have been more clearly written, but I'll rewrite the whole paragraph for clarity:

"Belichick LOVES running up the score (i.e. he doesn't care about it . . . it's not an issue to him . . . he would gladly do it).  He would beat every team by 100 if he could.  Especially in the Super Bowl.  That is why it is ridiculous to suggest that he would allow the Rams to stay close just to give him some kind of defense in a future cheating investigation that he has no idea will ever happen.  If he truly knew every single one of the Rams' offensive and defensive plays before they did, he would have gladly beaten them by 8 touchdowns."  

Better?   

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10 minutes ago, AFCEastFan said:

Sheeesh.  I know it could have been more clearly written, but I'll rewrite the whole paragraph for clarity:

"Belichick LOVES running up the score (i.e. he doesn't care about it . . . it's not an issue to him . . . he would gladly do it).  He would beat every team by 100 if he could.  Especially in the Super Bowl.  That is why it is ridiculous to suggest that he would allow the Rams to stay close just to give him some kind of defense in a future cheating investigation that he has no idea will ever happen.  If he truly knew every single one of the Rams' offensive and defensive plays before they did, he would have gladly beaten them by 8 touchdowns."  

Better?   

If i managed to cheat in a casino at blackjack because I knew the dealer's hole card and the top card in the show.... How long would I get away with that cheating if I hit on 19 because I knew the top card was a 2 and that the dealer had a 20?

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Cheating is not binary. Counting cards at a Blackjack table improves your odds of winning, but only by a percentage point or two..helps in the long run. 

The Patriots look for little advantages, and they each slightly increase the odds of winning. Some are illegal, some are "frowned upon" (like card counting). 

You lose hands even when you count cards at Blackjack, you just lose less and you bet differently when the odds are against you. 

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5 hours ago, The Crusher said:

OMG.  Have you ever read any of ghost_in_maxipads post? Ever?  Those are all trumped up charges from Jet fans, Roger Goodell, the other owners and specifically every single poster on this board to bring down the mighty Patriot Dynasty.  

I must of missed this one...I thought we had a bond there crusher..

and that is "bond" as in friendship  not "bon" as in chocolate bon bons, or cinnabon.....

and yea that's exactly what I have ever implied.."the pats don't do anything wrong..its us against the world..".you read me so well :rolleyes:

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8 minutes ago, ghost_in_pads02 said:

I must of missed this one...I thought we had a bond there crusher..

and that is "bond" as in friendship  not "bon" as in chocolate bon bons, or cinnabon.....

and yea that's exactly what I have ever implied.."the pats don't do anything wrong..its us against the world..".you read me so well :rolleyes:

Come on Maxi don't be like that.

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11 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Maxi? Now don't get all in a huff.  There is no religion allowed on the board. Keep the card send the chocolate. 

well I can't swear, so his name was the closest thing i could of came up with. 

if i'm in the xmas spirit, do  you want the choc. with or without nuts?

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1 hour ago, slats said:

The fact is that without any scientific data at all it was obvious that Tom Brady conspired with his equipment managers to deflate footballs. They have text messages with one of them being nicknamed, "The Deflator," for fvcks sake. We know that Brady and those guys sent a million text messages in the days following the revelation that the deflated balls were being investigated. Of course, we don't have all the texts because coincidentally that was also the week that Tom Brady had originally planned to replace his phone and destroy his old one with a bazooka. 

Oh, and there's video of good ol' Tom expressing his preference for deflated footballs. 

Cheata, please...

Agreed. But it's still nice to know the science supports the fact that the balls were actually deflated. While cases with only circumstantial evidence can be won, cases with scientific evidence that  proves a crime was committed are rather more substantial.

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