OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Hmm. Need to think about this more. We probably can wait another day to explore the GF/SK with immunity theory with Pac. But I admit that POE is not providing any good options at this point. Whoever the remaining bad guy(s) is/are, he/she/they are playing very well. Are you saying you want to wait and lynch someone else BEFORE Pac regardless or just that we have more time before DL today for Pac to try and clear himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! said: Are you saying you want to wait and lynch someone else BEFORE Pac regardless or just that we have more time before DL today for Pac to try and clear himself? I meant that I don't really see Pac as the lynch in this day phase, but given the lack of good options, it might be inevitable. Interested to see what Verbal and others have to say. Not really willing to listen to anything else Pac has to say unless it's a reveal. Mostly because I have him on ignore. lol. (I'll probably take him off ignore tomorrow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: I meant that I don't really see Pac as the lynch in this day phase, but given the lack of good options, it might be inevitable. Interested to see what Verbal and others have to say. Not really willing to listen to anything else Pac has to say unless it's a reveal. Mostly because I have him on ignore. lol. (I'll probably take him off ignore tomorrow) There certainly is a chance the Peek is good. But theres just way too many other factors that look very bad irt Pac. We have time left for Pac to try and clear himself but I mean again hes not even claiming so I dunno. I mean in a world where Pac is Town one or both if theres an SK would already have to be on his train because anyone could hammer here and not look bad with a Town!Pac flip. Also want to hear what others say...especially Pac...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Please stop voting Pac now. K thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Zander is prob SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, HessStation said: Please stop voting Pac now. K thx If you didnt peek him Town would you feel the same way about him? What do you think about the possibility of GF/SK immunity? Just now, HessStation said: Zander is prob SK You realize the path of least resistance for a world with Non!Town Zander is to just see your claim and push someone else right? If you believe theres an SK why cant it be....Pac for example? Who is your PoE today? And best candidates for last Scum and SK? What do you think of my case on him itself try to balnce the peek bias if possible but either way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Also why would you assume I would be SK over Scum? And lastly why wont Pac claim at L-1 if he's Town, even if he's a PR that has uses left, if hes hammered it dont matter anyway so...?!???!!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I only had a one time inv as cop. Pac was my only inv. Ape and Ballin were bc of my third eye all seeing powers. Would seem odd to have a GF if the cop is gimped, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 30 minutes ago, HessStation said: I only had a one time inv as cop. Pac was my only inv. Ape and Ballin were bc of my third eye all seeing powers. Would seem odd to have a GF if the cop is gimped, no? Mechanics This setup uses a Daystart Serial Killer chooses Investigation Immunity or 1-shot BP pregame. Cops are guaranteed to be sane Cops get results in the form of Town/Antitown or Innocent/Guilty - SK's show up as Antitown/Guilty unless they have Inv-Immunity. Innocent Child is revealed at the start of Day 1 by the mod Doctors prevent one night kill. Kills are indistinguishable - do not use varying flavour for Mafia, Vigilante or Serial Killer night kills. Mafia Roleblocker cannot kill AND block in the same night. Scum Roles TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) 0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather So we can rule out the ones that dont have an RB 1st because we know there was one. TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) 0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather So of the only possible remaining options 60% chance we have a GF and a 40% chance we have both a GF and a SK. GF is 100% Immune and SK 50%. So yes not factoring nothing else in about Pac's game there is certainly a chance your peek could be incorrect. Setup also allows for Multiple Town Cop, Vig, Masons, RB and Doc as well with both 1 shots and full of the same. So no gimping, its purely based on the #'s Nyn randed from rand.org and plugged into the C9 setup chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Note the SK 50% works 100% of the time if thats what they chose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 4 hours ago, Pac said: so... Crush won't hammer and Leelou disappeared. They could technically both be bad (1 more scum, 1 SK). Leelou leaving a vote on me when she has played long enough to know what Hess was saying all day is a much worse infraction than Crush not hammering so... Unvote Vote Leelou It's called I logged off to go do some other things in the evening before bed. So sue me? And I'm leaving my vote on you because I am not 100% sold on you actually being town here. There is a high probability of a gf in the setups. We've lynched 2 scum so far and no town. Yes we had 2 town deaths last night, but we are still in a good spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, HessStation said: I only had a one time inv as cop. Pac was my only inv. Ape and Ballin were bc of my third eye all seeing powers. Would seem odd to have a GF if the cop is gimped, no? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 unvote PAC Vote Leelou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 43 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: unvote PAC Vote Leelou So when I flip vanilla town, you'll lynch who next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 6 hours ago, Pac said: The only 2 I blame at this point are Leelou and Zander.. Lee kept her vote on me despite Hess obviously saying I was clear and Zander is Zandering.. I think he's just trying to make a name for himself with this hair brained case of his. If Verb and Smash keep their votes there (which i don't think they will) then they come back into play. The only logical people to vote off as of this moment are Lee and Crush. Zander is just lost. Hey dummy if I'm scum why wouldn't I hammer? Not like anyone would miss you if I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Updated Claims: Hess -- 1X Cop Pac -- Investigated as Town, role not yet claimed Smash -- Mason to deceased JC Leelou -- Vanilla Town Verbal -- ??? Crusher -- ??? Zander --- ??? 80 -- ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 4 hours ago, Leelou said: It's called I logged off to go do some other things in the evening before bed. So sue me? And I'm leaving my vote on you because I am not 100% sold on you actually being town here. There is a high probability of a gf in the setups. We've lynched 2 scum so far and no town. Yes we had 2 town deaths last night, but we are still in a good spot. Leelou, if you had to pick a 2nd candidate after Pac to lynch today, who would it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Leelou, if you had to pick a 2nd candidate after Pac to lynch today, who would it be? Crusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 24 minutes ago, Leelou said: Crusher Interesting. Had me town most of game. Please let me know what changed. Been wavering back and forth on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 6 hours ago, OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! said: Mechanics This setup uses a Daystart Serial Killer chooses Investigation Immunity or 1-shot BP pregame. Cops are guaranteed to be sane Cops get results in the form of Town/Antitown or Innocent/Guilty - SK's show up as Antitown/Guilty unless they have Inv-Immunity. Innocent Child is revealed at the start of Day 1 by the mod Doctors prevent one night kill. Kills are indistinguishable - do not use varying flavour for Mafia, Vigilante or Serial Killer night kills. Mafia Roleblocker cannot kill AND block in the same night. Scum Roles TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) 0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather So we can rule out the ones that dont have an RB 1st because we know there was one. TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) 0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather So of the only possible remaining options 60% chance we have a GF and a 40% chance we have both a GF and a SK. GF is 100% Immune and SK 50%. So yes not factoring nothing else in about Pac's game there is certainly a chance your peek could be incorrect. Setup also allows for Multiple Town Cop, Vig, Masons, RB and Doc as well with both 1 shots and full of the same. So no gimping, its purely based on the #'s Nyn randed from rand.org and plugged into the C9 setup chart. Oh I didn't read any of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Unvote vote Pac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, HessStation said: Unvote vote Pac Why the flip flop? Wait didn't you? Oh for heavens sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 7 hours ago, HessStation said: Please stop voting Pac now. K thx 7 hours ago, HessStation said: Zander is prob SK 7 hours ago, HessStation said: I only had a one time inv as cop. Pac was my only inv. Ape and Ballin were bc of my third eye all seeing powers. Would seem odd to have a GF if the cop is gimped, no? 8 minutes ago, HessStation said: Unvote vote Pac " Hello everybody, I'm Crusher, would like to thank you for playing JN mafia, we are currently entering the gone full retard phase of the game so return to your seats and buckle up bitches, it's gonna be a bumpy ride. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, The Crusher said: Hey dummy if I'm scum why wouldn't I hammer? Not like anyone would miss you if I did. Well because if you're scum you're the last one left.. If you're SK then you can't risk it either. But I agree... Lees logic for leaving the vote me is way worse than you not hammering me. Which is why I switched to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, Pac said: Well because if you're scum you're the last one left.. If you're SK then you can't risk it either. But I agree... Lees logic for leaving the vote me is way worse than you not hammering me. Which is why I switched to her. No chance of two scum and no sk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 47 minutes ago, HessStation said: Unvote vote Pac wait, wut? hahah.. Just lynch me. I hate that I've been forced to defend myself against idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, The Crusher said: No chance of two scum and no sk? Don't care anymore.. Just saw Hess last vote and the game has jumped the shark for me. Not going to waste my time trying to be logical anymore. But to answer your question I wouldn't think so, no. All we've seen from town are masons and a 1 time cop (who is now voting the person he got an innocent on). That doesn't seem fair against 4 scum and a SK in a 13 person game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, The Crusher said: Interesting. Had me town most of game. Please let me know what changed. Been wavering back and forth on you. Still not voting you, but my second that I had has claimed mason partners with JC. You were my tinfoil 3rd with Hess. Hess has claimed 1x cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 18 minutes ago, Pac said: Don't care anymore.. Just saw Hess last vote and the game has jumped the shark for me. Not going to waste my time trying to be logical anymore. But to answer your question I wouldn't think so, no. All we've seen from town are masons and a 1 time cop (who is now voting the person he got an innocent on). That doesn't seem fair against 4 scum and a SK in a 13 person game. Thanks. Hess is a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Unvote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 6 hours ago, Leelou said: It's called I logged off to go do some other things in the evening before bed. So sue me? And I'm leaving my vote on you because I am not 100% sold on you actually being town here. There is a high probability of a gf in the setups. We've lynched 2 scum so far and no town. Yes we had 2 town deaths last night, but we are still in a good spot. 8 players left so its either 6-1-1 T/S/SK 7-1 T/S If were wrong today and ML and with 1 or 2 poss NK's on Town 3 or 4/1-1 4 or 5/1 So ya were not in awful shape if were wrong but Id rather just be right today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, HessStation said: Oh I didn't read any of that sadface.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, HessStation said: Unvote Please tell me this was just one big reaction test. I need Hess to be lucid. Or as lucid as one can be playing Mafia while driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, HessStation said: Unvote vote Pac The only way YOU should be voting Pac is if YOU think he's the Scummiest player left imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 37 minutes ago, Pac said: Well because if you're scum you're the last one left.. If you're SK then you can't risk it either. But I agree... Lees logic for leaving the vote me is way worse than you not hammering me. Which is why I switched to her. Why Lee's logic over someone else voting you is making you think she's Scum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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