nyjunc Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 20 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Bottom line what if the jets just stayed with BB in 1997 as the HC and didn't give up a number 1 pick to the Pats to get BP out of his contract?? I don't think he becomes the BB we see today. We have to remember he was failing in NE until Brady came in and we were a pathetic franchise at the time(we look like the '85 bears this year compared to how we were perceived at the time of the BP hire). we needed someone with the credibility of Parcells to turn us around. 2000 was the perfect time for BB to become our HC w/ his same NE staff in place that would draft Brady in NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 13 hours ago, Jet Nut said: He was awful here. And for bonus points the team quit on him. He showed nothing, Bowles has had a winning season. Sure because of a total cream puff schedule, and blew it with the playoffs on the line. Tony Soprano made the playoffs his first year and won the division because of a cream puff schedule. How'd he turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 58 minutes ago, nyjunc said: exactly. BP did a great job bringing us out of the dark ages and making us competitive but he killed us as a GM type botching draft after draft, overpaying and putting us in cap hell and the whole BB fiasco. NE has our dynasty thanks to BP. And not getting Manning when he had the chance to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, billo83 said: Sure because of a total cream puff schedule, and blew it with the playoffs on the line. Tony Soprano made the playoffs his first year and won the division because of a cream puff schedule. How'd he turn out? True in 07 the Fins were 1-15 and the Jets were 4-12 and the Fins made the playoffs with Chad in 08 and we only had Favre.. LOLHowever the Pats also had a 11-5 record with a QB that never started a NFL game and the Pats were 16-0 the year before.. With a healthy Favre the Jets lost at home to the Pats and needed OT to beat them at Foxboro.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Savage69 said: True in 07 the Fins were 1-15 and the Jets were 4-12 and the Fins made the playoffs with Chad in 08 and we only had Favre.. LOLHowever the Pats also had a 11-5 record with a QB that never started a NFL game and the Pats were 16-0 the year before.. With a healthy Favre the Jets lost at home to the Pats and needed OT to beat them at Foxboro.. 18-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 15 hours ago, bassmaster2 said: Good QB makes Good coaches Good fences make good neighbors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 12 minutes ago, billo83 said: And not getting Manning when he had the chance to yep, he wanted to win right away and quit and didn't wanted to develop a young QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 15 hours ago, JetsFanatic said: Pete Carroll is 20/20 hindsight. The Jets were 6-10 the year he coached them. You were probably calling for him to be fired. We should have been patient with him. Let's show some patience on Bowles. Add to the fact that the players basically quit on him after the Spike Game. He wasn't going to survive that. That other guy though......F him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 1 hour ago, shawn306 said: Add to the fact that the players basically quit on him after the Spike Game. He wasn't going to survive that. That other guy though......F him it was one year, that locker room was already poisonous. it wasn't fair he got fired after that one year but for him it was probably the best thing as he had no shot w/ the team we had. They were a bunch of quitters and it cracks me up when I see players from that era on twitter bashing this Jet team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Not even close. Woody Johnson wasn't the owner - or even the highest bidder yet - when all his went down. This was all on Parcells. All of it. If they'd just promoted BB properly, by Parcells stepping down right after the final game, without mixed signals and rumors of a return for weeks, then he would have stayed. BB was only the HC due to a loophole in his contract: The agreement was he'd be under Parcells for 3 yrs and then Tuna would step down. When that happened BB would automatically be promoted to HC (so the Jets then couldn't hire someone else instead after Tuna; payback for holding the job for Parcells in 1997 while he was still NE's HC). Well 3 Jets years went by and it really looked like Parcells might not step down, since he was immensely popular and fans badly wanted him back. There were already rumors in Dec that he would stick around for a 4th season because of the way that 1999 season went. However this would **** BB who felt the job should rightfully be his, per their agreement. So with Parcells giving mixed signals he might return and coach another season, BB started negotiating with NE, which wasn't so terrible since he wasn't the Jets' HC. Parcells catches wind of this before a deal with them was signed, and only then Parcells suddenly steps down. This foils BB's plans because now he's the Jets' HC by contract, and therefore can't talk to (let alone sign with) another team. He's fuming mad, as anyone would be, because Parcells ****ed him again. So he quits, mumbling on the podium about it all, and handed in his resignation on a paper napkin. The cherry on top was that, after making this mess, Parcells still didn't come back to coach anyway, and he instead promoted Al Groh. Oh good. So not only did Parcells prevent us from getting one of the best (if not the best) QB in NFL history when he wouldn't commit to Peyton, but he also prevented us from getting one of the best (if not the best) HC in NFL history. Yet, he is revered here for losing a 10 point lead in Denver 18 years ago. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 41 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: Oh good. So not only did Parcells prevent us from getting one of the best (if not the best) QB in NFL history when he wouldn't commit to Peyton, but he also prevented us from getting one of the best (if not the best) HC in NFL history. Yet, he is revered here for losing a 10 point lead in Denver 18 years ago. Unbelievable. to be fair you have to remember how big of a laughingstock we were when he took over. The 10 previous seasons we had 1 playoff app in a year where we were 8-8. we won a total of 10 games the 3 seasons prior to his arrival and we were a game out of the playoffs year 1 w/ him and had a 2nd half lead in the title game in year 2. He deserves credit for that and that was mostly coaching which he is an all time great. where he went wrong and where he deserves bashing is for his role as GM which cost essentially Peyton, Belichick and Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I wonder if Carroll would have suffered the same fate as he did with the Jets if he didn't land himself a Russel Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 5 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Not even close. Woody Johnson wasn't the owner - or even the highest bidder yet - when all his went down. This was all on Parcells. All of it. If they'd just promoted BB properly, by Parcells stepping down right after the final game, without mixed signals and rumors of a return for weeks, then he would have stayed. BB was only the HC due to a loophole in his contract: The agreement was he'd be under Parcells for 3 yrs and then Tuna would step down. When that happened BB would automatically be promoted to HC (so the Jets then couldn't hire someone else instead after Tuna; payback for holding the job for Parcells in 1997 while he was still NE's HC). Well 3 Jets years went by and it really looked like Parcells might not step down, since he was immensely popular and fans badly wanted him back. There were already rumors in Dec that he would stick around for a 4th season because of the way that 1999 season went. However this would **** BB who felt the job should rightfully be his, per their agreement. So with Parcells giving mixed signals he might return and coach another season, BB started negotiating with NE, which wasn't so terrible since he wasn't the Jets' HC. Parcells catches wind of this before a deal with them was signed, and only then Parcells suddenly steps down. This foils BB's plans because now he's the Jets' HC by contract, and therefore can't talk to (let alone sign with) another team. He's fuming mad, as anyone would be, because Parcells ****ed him again. So he quits, mumbling on the podium about it all, and handed in his resignation on a paper napkin. The cherry on top was that, after making this mess, Parcells still didn't come back to coach anyway, and he instead promoted Al Groh. This argument looks very familiar. 9 hours ago, Smashmouth said: Pete Carroll coached a good defense here and he brought energy to this team back then. His firing was pure bullsh*t and he's always been a good coach maybe he was a bit young his first time but he would have been a nice long term solution. Sure its hindsight but no matter how you look at it he was not the train wreck Bowles is, not by a long shot. He was also a very good D coach in New England. I do not think he was a good fit for the players or market. After four years of Bill, with a lot of Bill's groceries still in the locker room, his message and personality did not stand a chance. Not all players like to be coached how the Bills coach. In Seattle, he can find his p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: I wonder if Carroll would have suffered the same fate as he did with the Jets if he didn't land himself a Russel Wilson obviously that was huge for him but he did have some success w/o him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 23 minutes ago, PFSIKH said: This argument looks very familiar. It should. It's the sequence of events as they occurred. For all his other faults, the idea that Woody Johnson had anything to do with Belichick bailing on the Jets is absurd. At the time BB resigned, the high bidder for the Jets was Charles Dolan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 5 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: It should. It's the sequence of events as they occurred. For all his other faults, the idea that Woody Johnson had anything to do with Belichick bailing on the Jets is absurd. At the time BB resigned, the high bidder for the Jets was Charles Dolan. I know. It is what I have been preaching, minus the Dolan part for years only to have JN harumph! And given the Dolan part, his move makes even more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Yeah but if we got Bill Then we would be known as the cheats and the NFL might have just dismantled the team, because we are of course, the NY JETS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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