Warfish Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 13 hours ago, CanadaSteve said: Yup....And then we get threads that state that things can be fixed in a matter of two years. If you look at the drafts of the Bengals from around then, you see players like Jessie Bates, Joe Mixon, Tee Higgins, Sam Hubbard, Hakeem Adeniji, Jonah Williams, Tyler Boyd, C.J. Uzomah, Trey Hopkins, Germaine Pratt, Cam Sample, Drew Sample, Logan Wilson..... Most of there starting offense was drafted by them over the pasta five years. So yeah, there is that little bit of evidence which kinda sh*t-cans this thread. Ok, I give in. It'll take 10 seasons. No more rushing, first true rebuild we've ever seen and such. See you in 2032, when we might (stress might) be decent again. #AllDuePatience&Consistency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Draft for rex ryan and his coaches for 3 years...oh we now have bowles and his crew, draft for them and have to get rid of rexs guys, bowles is gone, oh now we have gase draft for him and his crew and the guys we drafted a year ago don't fit a scheme...oh wait, now we have a new coach and new schemes....the players we drafted a year or so ago don;t fit, draft for a nw coach and scheme. Yes it is dimwit drafting as an organization. You draft good players, make it work or gtfo and guess what after 4 or 5 years of drafting good players you have a good team. There are very few pittsburgh and new englands that have the same crew for 15 years. I’d subscribe to your point of all the players drafted for scheme that were jettisoned by a new coaching staff ended up having successful careers elsewhere. Our primary problem is we’ve been awful at drafting players, period, regardless of the scheme they’re drafted for. Darren Lee for example. He stinks. Semantics dictate he was drafted for Bowles defensive style, but he was jettisoned from the team because he stinks. Pretty much one player we drafted went on to have a reasonable career afterwards, Leonard Williams, and he’s basically serviceable. Maybe consider Sheldon Richardson as well, he’s been serviceable. Calvin Pryor, Jamal Adams, Darren Lee, Quinton Coples, Milliner, Kyle Wilson… maybe they’re scheme driven picks, but most of all they just stink. And it gets worse further into the draft rounds. Stephen Hill, Jace Amaro, Devin Smith, Hackenberg…. Entire drafts where not a single player is even in the league a few years later. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, Warfish said: Ok, I give in. It'll take 10 seasons. No more rushing, first true rebuild we've ever seen and such. See you in 2032, when we might (stress might) be decent again. #AllDuePatience&Consistency Point is War, it wasn't just a two-year rebuild. It's been a two year rebuild once they found a top 10 QB in the league and got him his college teammate to throw to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClashFan Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Every draft is important, but 2022 is absolutely crucial for JD. He's got 4 picks in the first two rounds and has got to come up with quality starters with at least 3 of them (giving leeway for one guy to get hurt or disappoint). Easier said than done, but the 2020 draft set his rebuild back. Reviewing Mike Mac's five drafts is a reminder of just how bad he was at drafting in both strategy and execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 10 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: What sh*tcans this thread? What claim did I make? I said that we have had horrendous drafts and that we need more drafts like 2021 and no more 2020esque drafts. Comment wasn't directed at you there Nuu! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 13 hours ago, Larz said: Not a single all pro in the bunch One is technically best in the nay tion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Such a waste. When a GM is clueless like Mac was, they are much better served just picking an O lineman in round 1 or 2 every year. At least that way, you'd have a beast of an O line to open holes for any old RB and protect whoever you put under center. Winning football teams are built from the inside out. The guys in the trenches are the ones that create the time and space for the "skill" guys to shine. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Snell41 said: I’d subscribe to your point of all the players drafted for scheme that were jettisoned by a new coaching staff ended up having successful careers elsewhere. Our primary problem is we’ve been awful at drafting players, period, regardless of the scheme they’re drafted for. Darren Lee for example. He stinks. Semantics dictate he was drafted for Bowles defensive style, but he was jettisoned from the team because he stinks. Pretty much one player we drafted went on to have a reasonable career afterwards, Leonard Williams, and he’s basically serviceable. Maybe consider Sheldon Richardson as well, he’s been serviceable. Calvin Pryor, Jamal Adams, Darren Lee, Quinton Coples, Milliner, Kyle Wilson… maybe they’re scheme driven picks, but most of all they just stink. And it gets worse further into the draft rounds. Stephen Hill, Jace Amaro, Devin Smith, Hackenberg…. Entire drafts where not a single player is even in the league a few years later. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Right. Coaches will always advocate for players they love for their system and GMs will always have to draft with the head coach in mind. If they are good players and don't fit a subsequent system at least they can be traded away or let go for comp picks. Drafting lousy players for a system has no long term value when you have to dump the head coach and all his players. Not every player drafted over that time period was a system player. Most of those players are terrible no matter the system. You keep drafting slates of lousy players you get poor performance on the field and nothing of value to try to trade up into a better roster. When you look at Idzik and Mac's tenures they might have tried to rebuild but it's trying to rebuild when you keep buying the worst construction materials. Each guy since Idzik wiped out Tannenbaum's bloated contracts had nothing to work with but they didn't help themselves by drafting good talent. Each guy after suffered from the prior but hasn't helped themselves--except maybe Douglas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said: Point is War, it wasn't just a two-year rebuild. It's been a two year rebuild once they found a top 10 QB in the league and got him his college teammate to throw to. #FirstTrue10YearRebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Dunnie said: Since the draft can be a crap shoot ... is there any logic in doubling down on positions of need to enhance your chance of a successful pick ? Edge, Edge ... or OL, OL etc. In before someone says safety, safety. I have no issue with the doubling down method especially for premium positions. Having "too many" good players at the same position is a problem I wish we had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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