Popular Post Jdeet Posted April 26 Popular Post Share Posted April 26 This is interesting to me, when it happened. I know many Vikings fans crucifying them for trading a 4th and a 5th round pick for 1 spot, to a team that wasn’t ever picking JJ McCarthy. This is where we need to give JD some credit. No, it’s not a lot of compensation, but it is a good amount more than the charts determine and JD had to play this like he had other teams looking to trade with him for their spot. Specifically, the Raiders and the Broncos, and maybe the Raiders were looking to trade up, but I think they were heartbroken that Penix was taken, they just panicked and weren’t willing to trade up for a guy they really didn’t want in McCarthy. Broncos seemed set on Bo Nix, with little to no competition. No trades in the top 9 picks was pretty shocking to me. With all of the QBs, the asking price to move up was probably astronomical and teams like the Falcons were obviously keying in on Penix and they picked him with 9 min 50 seconds on the clock. It was not even a question of trading out, it seems. he was their guy. Sure, I wish we drafted Odunze, but once the Giants picked Nabers, it wasn’t going to happen. Grabbing a 4th and a 5th as chips for a trade tomorrow and getting Fashanu, was a @Beerfish like move. Albeit, not as far back, but getting the guy we wanted, and gaining 2 chips for trade, was pretty smart and other than the Chiefs trading up for Worthy, the best trade of the 1st round. 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Integrity28 Posted April 26 Popular Post Share Posted April 26 They didn’t trade with the Jets because they thought the Jets would take McCarthy. They did it so we wouldn’t trade the pick to another team and have them get sniped. It’s not that interesting. Teams do this when the stars align for it. 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 JD has always been good at trades Jamal Adams- one if the biggest heists in our history maybe sam Darnold- turned into Breece Hall plus a 4th chris Herndon Blake Cashman- hit value for then 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UntouchableCrew Posted April 26 Popular Post Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: They didn’t trade with the Jets because they thought the Jets would take McCarthy. They did it so we wouldn’t trade the pick to another team and have them get sniped. It’s not that interesting. Teams do this when the stars align for it. Correct. You do it because the Jets tell you they have the Broncos and Raiders on the other line asking to move up. Smart move by Douglas. Free assets, essentially. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkwondo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Very nice breakdown of what seemed like a blip of a trade!... Let's see what JD does with our picks today after solidifying the OL which besides a few disappointed Bowers fans almost all Jets fans seems perfectly fine with. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 It was a good trade back. Douglas got a fourth rounder and swapped a sixth for a fifth. I suspect he’ll use the extra pick for more depth or maybe move up to the second round. Another wr would be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 minutes ago, Jets723 said: JD has always been good at trades Jamal Adams- one if the biggest heists in our history maybe sam Darnold- turned into Breece Hall plus a 4th chris Herndon Blake Cashman- hit value for then And his record demonstrates his skill. He is not in the top 50 percent of GMs in the league. 2 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 JD did a good job and interesting that he tossed the Zach Wilson pick there for a 4 and 5. Did he really get a 4 and 5 for Zach Wilson?!?!?!?! 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 9 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: JD did a good job and interesting that he tossed the Zach Wilson pick there for a 4 and 5. Did he really get a 4 and 5 for Zach Wilson?!?!?!?! "The gift that keeps on giving" 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 hours ago, Jdeet said: This is interesting to me, when it happened. I know many Vikings fans crucifying them for trading a 4th and a 5th round pick for 1 spot, to a team that wasn’t ever picking JJ McCarthy. This is where we need to give JD some credit. No, it’s not a lot of compensation, but it is a good amount more than the charts determine and JD had to play this like he had other teams looking to trade with him for their spot. Agreed & mentioned the same thing here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 hours ago, Jdeet said: This is where we need to give JD some credit. Credit for what? He swapped picks with an out of conference team so they could pick a guy we had no interest in. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jimmy 2 Times Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 I’m shocked the Bears didn’t take the LT we drafted. They already have ample weapons, but need to build a wall for their new qb. Besides I read Olu and Williams were high school teammates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slats Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 14 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: JD did a good job and interesting that he tossed the Zach Wilson pick there for a 4 and 5. Did he really get a 4 and 5 for Zach Wilson?!?!?!?! I noticed that right away. Now that pick is in the ether. Back of my mind, I was hoping that that would be the pick they used on a developmental QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Extra fourth to grab Pratt! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 58 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: They didn’t trade with the Jets because they thought the Jets would take McCarthy. They did it so we wouldn’t trade the pick to another team and have them get sniped. It’s not that interesting. Teams do this when the stars align for it. Us old guys remember when the Jets did the same thing trading back from 3 to 4 with the Cardinals. They wanted Garrison Hearst. We got Johnny Johnson and drafted Marvin Jones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeet Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, Integrity28 said: They didn’t trade with the Jets because they thought the Jets would take McCarthy. They did it so we wouldn’t trade the pick to another team and have them get sniped. It’s not that interesting. Teams do this when the stars align for it. I just said that, but ok. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 9 hours ago, Jdeet said: This is interesting to me, when it happened. I know many Vikings fans crucifying them for trading a 4th and a 5th round pick for 1 spot, to a team that wasn’t ever picking JJ McCarthy. This is where we need to give JD some credit. No, it’s not a lot of compensation, but it is a good amount more than the charts determine and JD had to play this like he had other teams looking to trade with him for their spot. Specifically, the Raiders and the Broncos, and maybe the Raiders were looking to trade up, but I think they were heartbroken that Penix was taken, they just panicked and weren’t willing to trade up for a guy they really didn’t want in McCarthy. Broncos seemed set on Bo Nix, with little to no competition. No trades in the top 9 picks was pretty shocking to me. With all of the QBs, the asking price to move up was probably astronomical and teams like the Falcons were obviously keying in on Penix and they picked him with 9 min 50 seconds on the clock. It was not even a question of trading out, it seems. he was their guy. Sure, I wish we drafted Odunze, but once the Giants picked Nabers, it wasn’t going to happen. Grabbing a 4th and a 5th as chips for a trade tomorrow and getting Fashanu, was a @Beerfish like move. Albeit, not as far back, but getting the guy we wanted, and gaining 2 chips for trade, was pretty smart and other than the Chiefs trading up for Worthy, the best trade of the 1st round. Now, take that freebie 4th round pick and trade it to the Broncos for Courtland Sutton. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jdeet Posted April 26 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, dbatesman said: Credit for what? He swapped picks with an out of conference team so they could pick a guy we had no interest in. Picking up a 4th and 5th for a 6th isn’t just swapping picks. It’s picking up draft capital for a trade today, for 1 spot in the draft and absolutely no risk of losing the guy the jets wanted to draft. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Thank you Joe Douglas! Thank you!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: Correct. You do it because the Jets tell you they have the Broncos and Raiders on the other line asking to move up. Smart move by Douglas. Free assets, essentially. We have a winner😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, Larz said: Disagree with this big time, and I agree with Jason 90% of the time. The Broncos were taking a QB no matter what. And, they did with Bo Nix. I can't fault the Vikings at all for thinking the Jets would trade back just a couple spots with Denver since they knew Denver would take a QB and the Jets would then just have one positional player taken before they picked at #12 with at least two of Olu, Fuaga, and Bowers still on the board. Vikings were afraid of Denver taking McCarthy....and they were right to be afraid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 50 minutes ago, Jdeet said: Picking up a 4th and 5th for a 6th isn’t just swapping picks. It’s picking up draft capital for a trade today, for 1 spot in the draft and absolutely no risk of losing the guy the jets wanted to draft. Yes, I'm aware of the terms of the trade. I'm saying that making it didn't require any creativity on his part. It was a no-brainer. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Yes, I'm aware of the terms of the trade. I'm saying that making it didn't require any creativity on his part. It was a no-brainer. On JD’s part. I think the credit goes to convincing the Vikings to do it. The Giants dared them to trade up to #5, but they didn’t blink. I think if JD had another offer, as he certainly implied to Minnesota, he would've traded back again. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 hours ago, dbatesman said: Credit for what? He swapped picks with an out of conference team so they could pick a guy we had no interest in. Keeping the phone lines working is something, isn't it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeet Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Keeping the phone lines working is something, isn't it? Just let miserable be miserable. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 9 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Keeping the phone lines working is something, isn't it? I would consider it the bare minimum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 hours ago, BigRy56 said: JD did a good job and interesting that he tossed the Zach Wilson pick there for a 4 and 5. Did he really get a 4 and 5 for Zach Wilson?!?!?!?! Trade up challenge the chart math of 10 and 203 for 11 and the MIN 4th, 5th works out to 10 extra points in the NYJ favor. Or, essentially a free 6th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeet Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 42 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Yes, I'm aware of the terms of the trade. I'm saying that making it didn't require any creativity on his part. It was a no-brainer. Speak to Vikings fans today. I know many. They are outraged at the ineptness of the Vikings to give up draft capital, to move up one spot, to a team that was never taking their guy. If the Vikings got played, it was JD doing the playing. Not giving any credit to JD, is just absurd. We have no problem destroying the guy for everything draft related. Even though this was just a small move, it can turn into a bigger one. That’s pretty good progress. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticalJet2 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 JD could have approached differently - wasn’t about other teams reaching out to the Jets but rather Jets reaching out to the Vikings (or any of the QBs needy teams) giving them first dibs. Threatening if they didn’t strike a deal then he’d proactively go to next team. Could have been ongoing long before the clock started. Classic example of game theory especially since they probably failed to move up to get Maye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: Now, take that freebie 4th round pick and trade it to the Broncos for Courtland Sutton. Zach needs weaponz... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 22 minutes ago, bitonti said: Trade up challenge the chart math of 10 and 203 for 11 and the MIN 4th, 5th works out to 10 extra points in the NYJ favor. Or, essentially a free 6th It's really more than that if you're getting the exact same player with the 11th pick that you would have with the 10th pick. So it's really closer to 60 points -- i.e. a 4th rounder. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said: It's really more than that if you're getting the exact same player with the 11th pick that you would have with the 10th pick. So it's really closer to 60 points -- i.e. a 4th rounder. that's an interesting way to look at it and yes. Why not 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: Yes, I'm aware of the terms of the trade. I'm saying that making it didn't require any creativity on his part. It was a no-brainer. So he doesn’t deserve credit for making a good, albeit “no-brainer” move and he clearly wouldn’t deserve credit if he hadn’t have made that move, so by your logic JD never deserves any credit. 👌 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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