124 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Jets | Team can look at other positions in the first-round of the NFL Draft Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:31:13 -0800 Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports the acquisition of QB Patrick Ramsey by the New York Jets Friday, March 17, means it's almost certain the Jets will not use their first-round pick (fourth overall) on a quarterback in the April NFL Draft. Now, they'll likely target Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson or North Carolina State DE Mario Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 i think it was mike mayock that said that the jets will either stay at4 or trade with arizona in the 1st round...arizona wants a QB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CluJet Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 With Leinart available at 3, chances are high that we will be looking at: D'Brick Mario Cutler In that case, I'd be happy with any one of those 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 If trading for Patrick Ramsey will stop the Jets from drafting Leinart/Cutler, then they arent as smart as I thought they were. Hutchinson is wrong. Jets will draft Cutler or Leinart, and Pennington will be shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnys025 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 If trading for Patrick Ramsey will stop the Jets from drafting Leinart/Cutler, then they arent as smart as I thought they were. Hutchinson is wrong. Jets will draft Cutler or Leinart, and Pennington will be shown the door. I dont think Mangini will draft a Qb Barton. He will either trade out of that pick or select DBrick or Mario. Mangini knows that it isnt very often a top 5 drafted qb wins you a super bowl. Look at the past several years and tell me the percentages, and you will know what i'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderbirdJet Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I agree with Barton..... Ramsey is Bollinger's replacement, nothing more. What worries me is that the Tiatans are falling in love with Cutler. Floyd Reese, the GM, Norm Chow and Jeff Fisher all love Cutler. He's going to the Titans at 3. Look for a draft day trade of Volek, once they draft Cutler. Then... N.O. could screw us out of Leinart. They could draft him, since the deal they signed with Brees makes it easy to cut him next year, or they could trade that pick to a team that wants Leinart. I don't like the way this is shaping up... at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 If cutler is there take him. If not take mario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CluJet Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I agree with Barton..... Ramsey is Bollinger's replacement, nothing more. What worries me is that the Tiatans are falling in love with Cutler. Floyd Reese, the GM, Norm Chow and Jeff Fisher all love Cutler. He's going to the Titans at 3. Look for a draft day trade of Volek, once they draft Cutler. Then... N.O. could screw us out of Leinart. They could draft him, since the deal they signed with Brees makes it easy to cut him next year, or they could trade that pick to a team that wants Leinart. I don't like the way this is shaping up... at all. Yes, but do you think that it could also be a smokescreen? Teams usually don't just outright say "We LOVE this guy", unless they hold the first pick, in which case they are allowed to say anything they want. I don't know, but the whole thing seems fishy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I agree with Barton..... Ramsey is Bollinger's replacement, nothing more. What worries me is that the Tiatans are falling in love with Cutler. Floyd Reese, the GM, Norm Chow and Jeff Fisher all love Cutler. He's going to the Titans at 3. Look for a draft day trade of Volek, once they draft Cutler. Then... N.O. could screw us out of Leinart. They could draft him, since the deal they signed with Brees makes it easy to cut him next year, or they could trade that pick to a team that wants Leinart. I don't like the way this is shaping up... at all. If that did happen then Mario Williams falls right in our lap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 If we stay at 4 I will not be surprised at all for us to take Williams to replace Abe- mangini wants to build his defense with his type of players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 If we stay at 4 I will not be surprised at all for us to take Williams to replace Abe- mangini wants to build his defense with his type of players Williams is the PERFECT 3-4 end. Thats nothing to be upset about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietjets Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Williams is the PERFECT 3-4 end. Thats nothing to be upset about. Williams is Mangini's type of player.. Umm perhaps but i strongly believe that Hawks is Mangini's truly LB... I love to make it interesting but i have no money... Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Williams is Mangini's type of player.. Umm perhaps but i strongly believe that Hawks is Mangini's truly LB... I love to make it interesting but i have no money... Damn. I like our LB's the way they are and we're about to lose a pro bowl DE. Williams is the direction it makes the most sense to go in if you're taking a defensive player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I dont think Mangini will draft a Qb Barton. He will either trade out of that pick or select DBrick or Mario. Mangini knows that it isnt very often a top 5 drafted qb wins you a super bowl. Look at the past several years and tell me the percentages, and you will know what i'm talking about. Its possible, and I wont cry if we draft Brick or Mario. Past failures of top 5 QBs means nothing to me. Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer were top 5 picks, and they are top 5 QBs in the NFL. Its hit or miss, but if you hit the jackpot, you will always have a good team if you have a franchise QB. You will always be in the playoff hunt. That and Leinart the best QB prospect since Carson Palmer. 1984 - No QB taken in top 37! 1985 - No QB taken in top 36! 1986 - Jim Everett QB w/2nd overall pick 1987 - Testaverde #1 overall 1988 - No QB taken in the 1st 2 rds! 1989 - Troy Aikman #1 overall (won SB with team that drafted him) 1990 - Jeff George #1 overall 1991 - No QB taken in top 15 1992 - No QB taken in top 5 1993 - Drew Bledsoe #1 overall (went to SB with his team) Rick Mirer #2 1994 - Heath Shuler #4 overall 1995 - Steve McNair #3 overall(went to SB with his team) Kerry Collins #5 1996 - No QB taken in top 40 1997 - No QB taken in top 25 1998 - Peyton Manning #1. Leaf #2 1999 - Couch #1. McNabb (went to a SB). Smith #3 2000 - No QB in top 15 2001 - Vick #1 ( if you consider him an actual QB) 2002 - Carr #1. Harrington #2. You never know, Carr could do it. 2003 - Carson Palmer (a stud) #1 overall 2004 - Eli and Rivers in top 5. 2005 - Alex Smith 7 of the last 21 drafts no QB was taken in top 5+ Aikman, McNair, McNabb and Bledsoe all played in superbowls. Peyton and Palmer have been great QBs. The rest are all busts or havent played long enough to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsnts725 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 i really like Mario and Dbrick so if they pick either one im happy. both of them will really help the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderbirdJet Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Well, I relly wanted a franchise QB in this draft, but since it doesn't look good anymore, Williams would be a great pick too. If the Titans take Cutler, Volek could be on the market too, but I'd still rather get Croyle later on. A friend of mine from Tenessee told me how Norm Chow was "gushing" over Cutler on the local media down there. I don't see why the Titans need to be real secretive in this draft..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunta_23 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 The Jets have the best position in the draft other than the Saints at this point...They are guarenteed 1 of the QB's, Mario or D'Brick....and AJ Hawk...And if 1 of those players falls unexpectedly...a team would be willing to move up to get him and that means the Jets will stockpile picks...If there is no trade out of #1 the Texans are taking Bush...New Orleans are the wildcard at this point as they will either trade or take D'Brick...Tennesse will more than likely draft a QB...Leaving the Jets with the most options.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 It's time to trade down bitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 The Jets have the best position in the draft other than the Saints at this point...They are guarenteed 1 of the QB's, Mario or D'Brick....and AJ Hawk...And if 1 of those players falls unexpectedly...a team would be willing to move up to get him and that means the Jets will stockpile picks...If there is no trade out of #1 the Texans are taking Bush...New Orleans are the wildcard at this point as they will either trade or take D'Brick...Tennesse will more than likely draft a QB...Leaving the Jets with the most options.. I think the Texans, Saints and Titans all want to trade down. Which is why we need to trade down ASAP before all the teams that want to trade up are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Williams is the PERFECT 3-4 end. Thats nothing to be upset about. He is NOT the perfect 3-4 end. 3-4 ends are run stuffers that rarely get to the QB. Mario Williams is a pass rusher that takes some running plays off. Mario Williams = John Abraham - the bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsnts725 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 umm Mario Williams is said to be the best DE to come out to the NFL Draft since Julius Peppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJets Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 He is NOT the perfect 3-4 end. 3-4 ends are run stuffers that rarely get to the QB. Mario Williams is a pass rusher that takes some running plays off. Mario Williams = John Abraham - the bottle. The only possible similarity between Williams and Abraham is that they can both rush the passer. Williams is 6'7, 295, takes on blockers and is stout against the run. Abraham is 6'4, 260, always tries to run around blockers, and is awful against the run. Once you look past their pass-rushing ability, the two couldn't be anymore different. Williams is not a typical 3-4 end, but he can be extremely effective there. I also don't expect to be strictly 3-4, as Mangini will employ multiple defensive fronts. With a player like Williams, he will make sure he is used to his full potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathMetalJetsFan Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 If the jets stay at 4 and we dont get Shaub we will be looking at either Cutler or Ferguson. If we get shaub we'll target Ferguson. I dont think Williams will be there at #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 The only possible similarity between Williams and Abraham is that they can both rush the passer. Williams is 6'7, 295, takes on blockers and is stout against the run. Abraham is 6'4, 260, always tries to run around blockers, and is awful against the run. Once you look past their pass-rushing ability, the two couldn't be anymore different. Williams is not a typical 3-4 end, but he can be extremely effective there. I also don't expect to be strictly 3-4, as Mangini will employ multiple defensive fronts. With a player like Williams, he will make sure he is used to his full potential. According to NFLDraftCountdown.com, Williams: - Can be too inconsistent and needs to be properly motivated - Has questionable motor and doesn't always give it his all on every play - Is not very instinctive - Often relied heavily on his pure talent to get by in college Sounds a lot like Abe to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnys025 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 If the jets stay at 4 and we dont get Shaub we will be looking at either Cutler or Ferguson. If we get shaub we'll target Ferguson. I dont think Williams will be there at #4. You dont think Williams will be there at 4? Who do you think will take him? If someone does take him, then there will be some SERIOUS offers for our #4 spot since one of those so called "elite" players will be there for the taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathMetalJetsFan Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 You dont think Williams will be there at 4? Who do you think will take him? If someone does take him, then there will be some SERIOUS offers for our #4 spot since one of those so called "elite" players will be there for the taking. I think the Saints take him at 2. Just a hunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I think the Saints take him at 2. Just a hunch. If they do take him then we are garunteed either leinart or cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathMetalJetsFan Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 If they do take him then we are garunteed either leinart or cutler. There's very little doubt in my mind that Cutler will be there at 4 for us. The question is if we want him or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 There's very little doubt in my mind that Cutler will be there at 4 for us. The question is if we want him or not. He's the best QB in the draft i would jump right on him if he's there now that a schaub trade dosn't look like it's gonna happen and we don't have a capeable QB other then chad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJets Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 According to NFLDraftCountdown.com, Williams: - Can be too inconsistent and needs to be properly motivated - Has questionable motor and doesn't always give it his all on every play - Is not very instinctive - Often relied heavily on his pure talent to get by in college Sounds a lot like Abe to me. John Elway and Jeff George both have strong arms. Are they similar? Like I said, in the end, Abraham and Williams are different types. Williams is strong against the run, and can take on blockers when asked, in addition to his elite pass-rushing ability. Abraham can not play the run nor effectively take on blockers. Williams shows great recognition between run and pass. Abraham thinks pass every time, and tries to run around the blocker. Williams and Abraham are both top notch pass-rushers. NFL Draft Countdown does a great job, but one thing I don't understand is the "not very instinctive" comment. Williams is a VERY instinctive player with a terrific reaction time. The only advantage that Abraham has is that Williams has been known to not give 100% all the time. While it's not really a big problem with him, it has happened. Abraham, when healthy, always gives everything he has. Yet, with that said, Williams' effort will never come into question once he is in the NFL, IMO. Williams is a very complete DE. It's a shame that you really only hear about his athletic ability, and pass-rushing talent. He is such a complete player. Abraham is one-dimensional. A comparison between the two just isn't fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGR Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I would like a QB in the 1st round, but with the many problem jets have offensively I would rather go with D'Brick. Y? B/C we need to rebuild the O-line. W/O an good O-line to protect our QB we ain't going very far. Plus w/o an O-line the running lanes will disappear with our chances of making any progess this season. With Leinart available at 3, chances are high that we will be looking at: D'Brick Mario Cutler In that case, I'd be happy with any one of those 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I would like a QB in the 1st round, but with the many problem jets have offensively I would rather go with D'Brick. Y? B/C we need to rebuild the O-line. W/O an good O-line to protect our QB we ain't going very far. Plus w/o an O-line the running lanes will disappear with our chances of making any progess this season. There will be alot of good olinemen available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. This is a VERY deep draft on the o line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 There will be alot of good olinemen available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. This is a VERY deep draft on the o line. Agreed. I can understand why so many Jets fans want Ferguson. They saw the O-line play last year and it was horrific. The first reaction is to go after whoever is the most highly touted Lineman in the draft. However, this draft is very deep at Ferguson's position of OT and all Offensive Line positions for that matter. We should be able to get at least 2-3 good Offensive Linemen in Rounds 2-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 If we stay at 4 I will not be surprised at all for us to take Williams to replace Abe- mangini wants to build his defense with his type of players my only concern is that mario isnt exaclty known for bein a rocket scientist down here,, what was his wonerlic? is richard seymour a dunce or was Belly able to 'lern a dunce'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 my only concern is that mario isnt exaclty known for bein a rocket scientist down here,, what was his wonerlic? is richard seymour a dunce or was Belly able to 'lern a dunce'? Last time I read about a fast DE it was Byron Thomas.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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