Larz Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said: No and yes. Technically you only save the small amount but in practice by cutting the player you save the full amount you're not paying him (less any guarantees remaining; Tomlinson has no guarantees remaining, though). The reason you can still save more on the current year is the net effect of what happens: you backload someone else instead of the recently cut (or traded) player. Taking your example of Tomlinson: His $19MM cap number breaks down as $13MM in new money ($12.6MM salary and $400K in per-game roster bonus -- that's $400K for 17 games, not per game; since he played all 17 games last year it's LTBE (likely to be earned) so it'll hit if he's on the team, and if he misses 1/4 of the season then they'd get back 1/4 of that - $100K - as a cap credit the following season). Back to the totals: $13MM new money ($12.6MM + 400K) $5.88MM in prorated signing bonus, which comes from: $4.26MM from the original 2022 signing bonus ($12.78MM divided evenly over his 3 year contract) $1.62MM from his 2023 restructure that converted his 2023 base salary/pay of $13.1MM into a lower base pay of $5MM ($4.6MM salary + $400K per game roster bonuses) plus $8.1MM of new signing/option bonus for the rest. They still paid him the same $13.1MM amount; just pushed more of it to the future. That $8.1MM was divided into 5 seasons with hits of $1.62MM each: 2 of it for his remaining two contract years + 3 void years. If they extended him for say 3 more years then it'd still count $1.62MM per year plus his extension contract amount; if not then those 3 void years all accelerate to the first void year 2025 ($4.86M hits in 2025). The reason this is important to note is he's going to have a lump dead cap no matter what. It can't be eliminated, because it's money they paid him already; all that can happen is it can be pushed off to hit a future year instead of right now. When you cut (or trade) a player, all that prorated bonus money accelerates -- because he's not on the team anymore. It accelerates in one of two ways, based on when it occurs, either before or after June 1st: If BEFORE June 1st, ALL of it accelerates to the current season For Tomlinson, that's the $5.88MM that's hitting no matter what this year + the 3 void years at $1.62MM = $10.74MM. If AFTER June 1st, use the prorated amount that would have counted this season if he was still on the team, and the balance all accelerates to the following season = $5.88MM in 2024 and $4.86MM in 2025. So they seem to save $4.86MM by cutting him later, but really it just means that latter amount hits in 2025 instead of 2024. In the end, it's still $10.74MM in "dead" cap. (In either case, remember they also save his $13MM pay for the 2024 season -- by not paying it) To cut Tomlinson, erase all $13MM they won't be paying him. Then you've still got $10.74MM in dead cap money (that they paid to him in the past but hasn't hit the cap yet). $5.88MM of that is designated to hit the 2024 cap no matter what. If they cut him before June 1st then the other $4.86MM also hits this year (but then he's fully off the books for 2025+). If they cut him after June 1st, that $4.86MM doesn't go away; it just hits next year instead. The reason the 6/1 date kinda doesn't matter is - since there are no guarantees kicking in as part of the equation - it's the same $10.74MM hitting the cap whether it's before or after June 1st. The $4.86MM that hits either this year or next year (depending when he's cut) would just be offset by someone else, e.g. Quinnen Williams: To make the math easy, say they restructure QW's current contract by converting $6MM of his 2024 $14.4MM base salary into new bonus for a new 5 year contract (contract wording aside, the effect is it gets added to his current one, not replacing it): same money paid to QW this season but now it's allocated differently so it therefore hits the cap differently. Over those 5 years that'd be $1.2MM x 5 years, with the first $1.2MM hitting this year and $4.8MM ($1.2MM x 4) hitting evenly over the remaining 4 years. That clears $4.8MM from this year's cap, though). So now QW counts $4.8MM more in the future, but by cutting Tomlinson pre-June 1st, you bite the bullet on that extra $4.86MM now instead of later. The net on the 2024 cap is zero (technically $0.06MM). It doesn't create any new money to hit the cap per se; all it does is it swap Tomlinson's future $4.86MM dead money with $4.8MM for Williams instead. Instead of Tomlinson's bonus money counting later, you're having it hit now and that same amount will hit the future cap in QW's name instead. Otherwise they could cut him after June 1st and leave QW's contract alone. Or instead of restructuring QW, they'd structure new FA signings so they're more heavily backloaded to hit heavier after this year when Tomlinson (and other 2024 cuts like Uzomah, and dead cap for D.Brown, Lawson, etc.) will be off the books for 2025+. The net effect is the same. You never truly save cap space by paying an unwanted player more new money than he's worth. ALL of that new money must hit the cap. There are two other remedies as well: Don't cut him, but do get him to accept a pay reduction. The $4.86MM still is dead cap next year if he's not extended after 2024; it won't accelerate to 2024 because he's not getting cut/traded before 6/1. Say his new lower pay is $8MM instead of $13MM. $5MM savings. In practice they'd probably use the same amount again ($8.1MM) count over 5 years also. So only $1.62MM of it counts this year instead of $13MM. Add that $1.62MM to the original $5.88 prorated past-bonus amount for this year, and his new 2024 total cap hit would be $7.5MM, down from $18.8MM. That would represent a big savings of $10.3MM this year BUT the poison pill is that in 2025 they'll have doubled the dead cap for not-extending him past 2024: $4.86MM will then be $9.72MM, and all of it hits 2025 in the absence of an extension (there's no post-6/1 cut option since he's not on the team anymore so there's no rostered player to cut/trade). There's no free lunch. Do cut him before 6/1, but designate him as a post-6/1 cut. I think they can do this for up to 1 or 2 players per season (I forget). The main purpose is to allow teams to push off the pain to the following season for a player who's due a big bonus or salary guarantee if he's still on the team a week into the new season (typically the 5th day of the new season) in March. So they get rid of him before that new bonus is paid, but are allowed to get the benefit of treating it as a post-6/1 cut. Tomlinson doesn't have any new bonuses or guarantees coming, but it's not uncommon for GMs to use this anyway to leave more space for the current year and deal with next year at that time, since GMs are always in job preservation mode: just make it to next year and then deal with it then. The two most likely scenarios: Keep with a pay reduction. I think it's a mistake to do, but also that this is the most likely, so Douglas only has to find two new linemen instead of three for this season. While it might happen right away in March, to create a bunch more cap space for new FAs, Douglas could also wait until July or August to put the pay cut squeeze on him, since Tomlinson would have a hard time finding a high-paying job at that point it shifts the leverage to the team. The disadvantage in waiting is Tomlinson would carry an $18.8MM cap number until that point. Cut him with a post-6/1 designation. Could wait until after the draft & they see who they got (carrying him at $18.8MM until then), or more obviously is if they add a new FA starting guard in March they'd just cut Tomlinson 5 min later. Again, the pre/post-6/1 is not a big deal; they'd backload someone else instead as outlined above. Now I get to see if this post crashes the server. Wow. What an incredible post. I learned more about the cap from this post than anything everything else I’ve read in the last 10 years. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 16 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Curious why you think he doesn't want him. Granted, doing what it takes to get him or preferring someone else could prevent him from making the move but I think after last year everyone in the org knows we need a legit backup QB. Woody basically said we need one to the media. I fundamentally lack faith in JD’s judgement and decision making regarding the QB position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: No and yes. Technically you only save the small amount but in practice by cutting the player you save the full amount you're not paying him (less any guarantees remaining; Tomlinson has no guarantees remaining, though). The reason you can still save more on the current year is the net effect of what happens: you backload someone else instead of the recently cut (or traded) player. Taking your example of Tomlinson: His $19MM cap number breaks down as $13MM in new money ($12.6MM salary and $400K in per-game roster bonus -- that's $400K for 17 games, not per game; since he played all 17 games last year it's LTBE (likely to be earned) so it'll hit if he's on the team, and if he misses 1/4 of the season then they'd get back 1/4 of that - $100K - as a cap credit the following season). Back to the totals: $13MM new money ($12.6MM + 400K) $5.88MM in prorated signing bonus, which comes from: $4.26MM from the original 2022 signing bonus ($12.78MM divided evenly over his 3 year contract) $1.62MM from his 2023 restructure that converted his 2023 base salary/pay of $13.1MM into a lower base pay of $5MM ($4.6MM salary + $400K per game roster bonuses) plus $8.1MM of new signing/option bonus for the rest. They still paid him the same $13.1MM amount; just pushed more of it to the future. That $8.1MM was divided into 5 seasons with hits of $1.62MM each: 2 of it for his remaining two contract years + 3 void years. If they extended him for say 3 more years then it'd still count $1.62MM per year plus his extension contract amount; if not then those 3 void years all accelerate to the first void year 2025 ($4.86M hits in 2025). The reason this is important to note is he's going to have a lump dead cap no matter what. It can't be eliminated, because it's money they paid him already; all that can happen is it can be pushed off to hit a future year instead of right now. When you cut (or trade) a player, all that prorated bonus money accelerates -- because he's not on the team anymore. It accelerates in one of two ways, based on when it occurs, either before or after June 1st: If BEFORE June 1st, ALL of it accelerates to the current season For Tomlinson, that's the $5.88MM that's hitting no matter what this year + the 3 void years at $1.62MM = $10.74MM. If AFTER June 1st, use the prorated amount that would have counted this season if he was still on the team, and the balance all accelerates to the following season = $5.88MM in 2024 and $4.86MM in 2025. So they seem to save $4.86MM by cutting him later, but really it just means that latter amount hits in 2025 instead of 2024. In the end, it's still $10.74MM in "dead" cap. (In either case, remember they also save his $13MM pay for the 2024 season -- by not paying it) To cut Tomlinson, erase all $13MM they won't be paying him. Then you've still got $10.74MM in dead cap money (that they paid to him in the past but hasn't hit the cap yet). $5.88MM of that is designated to hit the 2024 cap no matter what. If they cut him before June 1st then the other $4.86MM also hits this year (but then he's fully off the books for 2025+). If they cut him after June 1st, that $4.86MM doesn't go away; it just hits next year instead. The reason the 6/1 date kinda doesn't matter is - since there are no guarantees kicking in as part of the equation - it's the same $10.74MM hitting the cap whether it's before or after June 1st. The $4.86MM that hits either this year or next year (depending when he's cut) would just be offset by someone else, e.g. Quinnen Williams: To make the math easy, say they restructure QW's current contract by converting $6MM of his 2024 $14.4MM base salary into new bonus for a new 5 year contract (contract wording aside, the effect is it gets added to his current one, not replacing it): same money paid to QW this season but now it's allocated differently so it therefore hits the cap differently. Over those 5 years that'd be $1.2MM x 5 years, with the first $1.2MM hitting this year and $4.8MM ($1.2MM x 4) hitting evenly over the remaining 4 years. That clears $4.8MM from this year's cap, though). So now QW counts $4.8MM more in the future, but by cutting Tomlinson pre-June 1st, you bite the bullet on that extra $4.86MM now instead of later. The net on the 2024 cap is zero (technically $0.06MM). It doesn't create any new money to hit the cap per se; all it does is it swap Tomlinson's future $4.86MM dead money with $4.8MM for Williams instead. Instead of Tomlinson's bonus money counting later, you're having it hit now and that same amount will hit the future cap in QW's name instead. Otherwise they could cut him after June 1st and leave QW's contract alone. Or instead of restructuring QW, they'd structure new FA signings so they're more heavily backloaded to hit heavier after this year when Tomlinson (and other 2024 cuts like Uzomah, and dead cap for D.Brown, Lawson, etc.) will be off the books for 2025+. The net effect is the same. You never truly save cap space by paying an unwanted player more new money than he's worth. ALL of that new money must hit the cap. There are two other remedies as well: Don't cut him, but do get him to accept a pay reduction. The $4.86MM still is dead cap next year if he's not extended after 2024; it won't accelerate to 2024 because he's not getting cut/traded before 6/1. Say his new lower pay is $8MM instead of $13MM. $5MM savings. In practice they'd probably use the same amount again ($8.1MM) count over 5 years also. So only $1.62MM of it counts this year instead of $13MM. Add that $1.62MM to the original $5.88 prorated past-bonus amount for this year, and his new 2024 total cap hit would be $7.5MM, down from $18.8MM. That would represent a big savings of $10.3MM this year BUT the poison pill is that in 2025 they'll have doubled the dead cap for not-extending him past 2024: $4.86MM will then be $9.72MM, and all of it hits 2025 in the absence of an extension (there's no post-6/1 cut option since he's not on the team anymore so there's no rostered player to cut/trade). There's no free lunch. Do cut him before 6/1, but designate him as a post-6/1 cut. I think they can do this for up to 1 or 2 players per season (I forget). The main purpose is to allow teams to push off the pain to the following season for a player who's due a big bonus or salary guarantee if he's still on the team a week into the new season (typically the 5th day of the new season) in March. So they get rid of him before that new bonus is paid, but are allowed to get the benefit of treating it as a post-6/1 cut. Tomlinson doesn't have any new bonuses or guarantees coming, but it's not uncommon for GMs to use this anyway to leave more space for the current year and deal with next year at that time, since GMs are always in job preservation mode: just make it to next year and then deal with it then. The two most likely scenarios: Keep with a pay reduction. I think it's a mistake to do, but also that this is the most likely, so Douglas only has to find two new linemen instead of three for this season. While it might happen right away in March, to create a bunch more cap space for new FAs, Douglas could also wait until July or August to put the pay cut squeeze on him, since Tomlinson would have a hard time finding a high-paying job at that point it shifts the leverage to the team. The disadvantage in waiting is Tomlinson would carry an $18.8MM cap number until that point. Cut him with a post-6/1 designation. Could wait until after the draft & they see who they got (carrying him at $18.8MM until then), or more obviously is if they add a new FA starting guard in March they'd just cut Tomlinson 5 min later. Again, the pre/post-6/1 is not a big deal; they'd backload someone else instead as outlined above. Now I get to see if this post crashes the server. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 22 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: You guys who focus on QB W-L record in a team game are freaking weirdos. @Beerfish I agree ... just throwing it back on some guys ... the main point being .. Saleh is a defensive minded wuss when it comes to offense and likes to play to not lose ... perfect for Jimmy G. Saleh is over confident in his defense and leans on it to win games to the detriment of offense. He is not a head coach .. will never be a head coach ... he is a very good Defensive coordinator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 On 2/21/2024 at 12:33 PM, neckdemon said: He is an injury prone jag. If we end up needing him he would last 2 games if we are lucky. He's a waste of resources. The last thing this team needs is another injury prone player. If we need a backup QB for more than 2 games we are probably not in a good place anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 52 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: If we need a backup QB for more than 2 games we are probably not in a good place anyway We'd have won the division with a solid backup QB last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 We'd have won the division with a solid backup QB last season. So why are so many people saying we will come in third this year with Rodgers? Is he that much worse than a guy like Brissett? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, bicketybam said: 56 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: We'd have won the division with a solid backup QB last season. So why are so many people saying we will come in third this year with Rodgers? Is he that much worse than a guy like Brissett? Most people are down on everything the Jets do because of how much of a letdown last season was. That's probably the biggest reason. But, something else to consider - We have wasted two years of a really good defense with terrible QB and OL play. One issue I have is, even if Rodgers returns to form next year, how do we know the defense won't regress? Good units become bad and vice versa on a year-to-year basis all the time in the NFL. In particular, we have been relatively healthy on defense the past two seasons. No major injuries to our stars (Sauce/QW) and mostly healthy depth throughout both seasons. How likely is that to continue for a 3rd straight year? One scenario I could see playing out is that our offense takes a big step forward while our defense takes a step back. That's a basic fear I have. You can't really just plug Aaron Rodgers into last year's team and assume that's what we'll be getting next year. Too many variables/unknowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 2/21/2024 at 8:24 PM, Matt39 said: Zach last year These guys will buy any of woody’s bs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 2/21/2024 at 4:06 PM, GangGreened said: Zach is not going to be the backup, it’s not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 2/21/2024 at 2:27 PM, GangGreened said: After Woody publicly announced that Zach Wilson isn’t good enough to be a backup, this would be something. You guys have an incredible ability to believe woody is consistent about anything or has a plan. He is obviously by far the dumbest most disorganized owner in all of pro sports not just the NFL. How you can trust anything he says is mind boggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 16 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: We'd have won the division with a solid backup QB last season. I think the AFC East will be our best route to the playoffs. I'm just saying we really need Rodgers and a back up not named Zach Wilson. If the goal is breaking the playoff drought, I agree. I'm just saying if we lose Rodgers, our season is likely ending in a 1st round exit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I think the AFC East will be our best route to the playoffs. I'm just saying we really need Rodgers and a back up not named Zach Wilson. If the goal is breaking the playoff drought, I agree. I'm just saying if we lose Rodgers, our season is likely ending in a 1st round exit. True. But after 13 years without playoffs, I'd have taken a 1st round exit w/a backup QB last year. And if we'd have managed to win the division like I think we would have, it would have been just our 3rd home playoff game since 1987. It'd have been nice to show some urgency and chase that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 True. But after 13 years without playoffs, I'd have taken a 1st round exit w/a backup QB last year. And if we'd have managed to win the division like I think we would have, it would have been just our 3rd home playoff game since 1987. It'd have been nice to show some urgency and chase that.The Jets were winning 12 games with a backup QB? Come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said: You guys have an incredible ability to believe woody is consistent about anything or has a plan. He is obviously by far the dumbest most disorganized owner in all of pro sports not just the NFL. How you can trust anything he says is mind boggling. It’s not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TuscanyTile2 Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 On 2/22/2024 at 8:18 AM, Sperm Edwards said: No and yes. Technically you only save the small amount but in practice by cutting the player you save the full amount you're not paying him (less any guarantees remaining; Tomlinson has no guarantees remaining, though). The reason you can still save more on the current year is the net effect of what happens: you backload someone else instead of the recently cut (or traded) player. Taking your example of Tomlinson: His $19MM cap number breaks down as $13MM in new money ($12.6MM salary and $400K in per-game roster bonus -- that's $400K for 17 games, not per game; since he played all 17 games last year it's LTBE (likely to be earned) so it'll hit if he's on the team, and if he misses 1/4 of the season then they'd get back 1/4 of that - $100K - as a cap credit the following season). Back to the totals: $13MM new money ($12.6MM + 400K) $5.88MM in prorated signing bonus, which comes from: $4.26MM from the original 2022 signing bonus ($12.78MM divided evenly over his 3 year contract) $1.62MM from his 2023 restructure that converted his 2023 base salary/pay of $13.1MM into a lower base pay of $5MM ($4.6MM salary + $400K per game roster bonuses) plus $8.1MM of new signing/option bonus for the rest. They still paid him the same $13.1MM amount; just pushed more of it to the future. That $8.1MM was divided into 5 seasons with hits of $1.62MM each: 2 of it for his remaining two contract years + 3 void years. If they extended him for say 3 more years then it'd still count $1.62MM per year plus his extension contract amount; if not then those 3 void years all accelerate to the first void year 2025 ($4.86M hits in 2025). The reason this is important to note is he's going to have a lump dead cap no matter what. It can't be eliminated, because it's money they paid him already; all that can happen is it can be pushed off to hit a future year instead of right now. When you cut (or trade) a player, all that prorated bonus money accelerates -- because he's not on the team anymore. It accelerates in one of two ways, based on when it occurs, either before or after June 1st: If BEFORE June 1st, ALL of it accelerates to the current season For Tomlinson, that's the $5.88MM that's hitting no matter what this year + the 3 void years at $1.62MM = $10.74MM. If AFTER June 1st, use the prorated amount that would have counted this season if he was still on the team, and the balance all accelerates to the following season = $5.88MM in 2024 and $4.86MM in 2025. So they seem to save $4.86MM by cutting him later, but really it just means that latter amount hits in 2025 instead of 2024. In the end, it's still $10.74MM in "dead" cap. (In either case, remember they also save his $13MM pay for the 2024 season -- by not paying it) To cut Tomlinson, erase all $13MM they won't be paying him. Then you've still got $10.74MM in dead cap money (that they paid to him in the past but hasn't hit the cap yet). $5.88MM of that is designated to hit the 2024 cap no matter what. If they cut him before June 1st then the other $4.86MM also hits this year (but then he's fully off the books for 2025+). If they cut him after June 1st, that $4.86MM doesn't go away; it just hits next year instead. The reason the 6/1 date kinda doesn't matter is - since there are no guarantees kicking in as part of the equation - it's the same $10.74MM hitting the cap whether it's before or after June 1st. The $4.86MM that hits either this year or next year (depending when he's cut) would just be offset by someone else, e.g. Quinnen Williams: To make the math easy, say they restructure QW's current contract by converting $6MM of his 2024 $14.4MM base salary into new bonus for a new 5 year contract (contract wording aside, the effect is it gets added to his current one, not replacing it): same money paid to QW this season but now it's allocated differently so it therefore hits the cap differently. Over those 5 years that'd be $1.2MM x 5 years, with the first $1.2MM hitting this year and $4.8MM ($1.2MM x 4) hitting evenly over the remaining 4 years. That clears $4.8MM from this year's cap, though). So now QW counts $4.8MM more in the future, but by cutting Tomlinson pre-June 1st, you bite the bullet on that extra $4.86MM now instead of later. The net on the 2024 cap is zero (technically $0.06MM). It doesn't create any new money to hit the cap per se; all it does is it swap Tomlinson's future $4.86MM dead money with $4.8MM for Williams instead. Instead of Tomlinson's bonus money counting later, you're having it hit now and that same amount will hit the future cap in QW's name instead. Otherwise they could cut him after June 1st and leave QW's contract alone. Or instead of restructuring QW, they'd structure new FA signings so they're more heavily backloaded to hit heavier after this year when Tomlinson (and other 2024 cuts like Uzomah, and dead cap for D.Brown, Lawson, etc.) will be off the books for 2025+. The net effect is the same. You never truly save cap space by paying an unwanted player more new money than he's worth. ALL of that new money must hit the cap. There are two other remedies as well: Don't cut him, but do get him to accept a pay reduction. The $4.86MM still is dead cap next year if he's not extended after 2024; it won't accelerate to 2024 because he's not getting cut/traded before 6/1. Say his new lower pay is $8MM instead of $13MM. $5MM savings. In practice they'd probably use the same amount again ($8.1MM) count over 5 years also. So only $1.62MM of it counts this year instead of $13MM. Add that $1.62MM to the original $5.88 prorated past-bonus amount for this year, and his new 2024 total cap hit would be $7.5MM, down from $18.8MM. That would represent a big savings of $10.3MM this year BUT the poison pill is that in 2025 they'll have doubled the dead cap for not-extending him past 2024: $4.86MM will then be $9.72MM, and all of it hits 2025 in the absence of an extension (there's no post-6/1 cut option since he's not on the team anymore so there's no rostered player to cut/trade). There's no free lunch. Do cut him before 6/1, but designate him as a post-6/1 cut. I think they can do this for up to 1 or 2 players per season (I forget). The main purpose is to allow teams to push off the pain to the following season for a player who's due a big bonus or salary guarantee if he's still on the team a week into the new season (typically the 5th day of the new season) in March. So they get rid of him before that new bonus is paid, but are allowed to get the benefit of treating it as a post-6/1 cut. Tomlinson doesn't have any new bonuses or guarantees coming, but it's not uncommon for GMs to use this anyway to leave more space for the current year and deal with next year at that time, since GMs are always in job preservation mode: just make it to next year and then deal with it then. The two most likely scenarios: Keep with a pay reduction. I think it's a mistake to do, but also that this is the most likely, so Douglas only has to find two new linemen instead of three for this season. While it might happen right away in March, to create a bunch more cap space for new FAs, Douglas could also wait until July or August to put the pay cut squeeze on him, since Tomlinson would have a hard time finding a high-paying job at that point it shifts the leverage to the team. The disadvantage in waiting is Tomlinson would carry an $18.8MM cap number until that point. Cut him with a post-6/1 designation. Could wait until after the draft & they see who they got (carrying him at $18.8MM until then), or more obviously is if they add a new FA starting guard in March they'd just cut Tomlinson 5 min later. Again, the pre/post-6/1 is not a big deal; they'd backload someone else instead as outlined above. Now I get to see if this post crashes the server. On 2/22/2024 at 9:35 AM, Larz said: Wow. What an incredible post. I learned more about the cap from this post than anything everything else I’ve read in the last 10 years. Thanks. 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