PatsFanTX Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 A pitcher retires the first 26 batters. He is 0-2 on the 27th batter when he hits a foul pop-up behind home plate. The catcher drops the pop-up and is charged with an error. The next pitch, the batter strikes out. Is this a perfect game or does the error make it null and void? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 The game is no longer perfect. I would imagine it's 'only' a no-hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Nah ....That would still be a perfect game IMO as the batter did not reach FIRST BASE via the error. I could be wrong but don't think so. Tx ,please stay off the BB forum as Pennington and Herm are never discussed here. :wink: Good question though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 11, 2005 Author Share Posted April 11, 2005 The game is no longer perfect. I would imagine it's 'only' a no-hitter. Isn't the definition of a perfect game retiring all 27 batters without allowing a base runner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Nah ....That would still be a perfect game IMO as the batter did not reach FIRST BASE via the error. I could be wrong but don't think so. Tx ,please stay off the BB forum as Pennington and Herm are never discussed here. :wink: Good question though. Not a perfect game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Guys this is a perfect game. Not even up for debate. Read the definition of a perfect game: . Baseball A complete game in which no opposing batter reaches first base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Perfect game From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Since 1991, a perfect game has been defined by Major League Baseball as a game in which a pitcher pitches a complete game victory that lasts a minimum of nine innings and in which no opposition player reaches first base. In short, the pitcher cannot allow any hits, walks, hit batters, or any other baserunners for any reason, even if they are thrown out trying for extra bases. By definition, such games must also be shutouts. Since the pitcher cannot control whether or not his teammates commit any errors, the pitcher must be backed up by a solid defense to pitch a perfect game. However, an error which does not allow a baserunner, such as a misplayed foul ball, may occur in a perfect game. Several games have, heartbreakingly, not qualified under this revised definition. Several shortened games featured no baserunners by one team, and there have been two games in which a team reached first base only in extra innings. A perfect game is widely regarded as the pinnacle of pitching performance, and is one of the most difficult achievements in baseball or indeed any sport. It is the masterpiece of a pitcher's career and, in Major League Baseball, places that pitcher in exceptionally elite company. In fact, it is so rare (and difficult) that luck, as much as skill, plays an enormous role; there have been many great pitchers who have never pitched a perfect game and a few otherwise forgettable pitchers who have. Over the past 129 years of Major League Baseball history, there have only been 17 perfect games; the two from the 19th century, at a time when the pitching distance was only 45 feet, are often not included in lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Guys this is a perfect game. Not even up for debate. Read the definition of a perfect game: . Baseball A complete game in which no opposing batter reaches first base. May have to look that one up...and Max has Thanks Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 I would have to think that it is still a perfect game. The perfect game is the PITCHER"S stat in not allowing anyone to reach base. In this case, no one reached and the error was one of omission on teh catcher's part, and had nothing to do with teh pitcher allowing a baserunner. I know one instance where Babe Ruth started a game, walked the first batter, got ill and was relieved and the base runner was thrown out on a steal attempt, and retired the next 26 men in order. He was awarded a Perfect game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 May have to look that one up Read the defintion I just posted above your post. Definitely counts as a perfect game. Good question TX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 11, 2005 Author Share Posted April 11, 2005 Not a perfect game In typical fashion, JonE is wrong once again. Thanks for the conclusive answer Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 I would have to think that it is still a perfect game. The perfect game is the PITCHER"S stat in not allowing anyone to reach base. In this case, no one reached and the error was one of omission on teh catcher's part, and had nothing to do with teh pitcher allowing a baserunner. I know one instance where Babe Ruth started a game, walked the first batter, got ill and was relieved and the base runner was thrown out on a steal attempt, and retired the next 26 men in order. He was awarded a Perfect game That would not count as a perfect game. If someone touches first it isn't perfection. Here is the list of who has thrown them: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/pitching/piperf.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 In typical fashion, JonE is wrong once again. Thanks for the conclusive answer Max. You said it. JonE is like death and taxes! You can always count on him to come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Guys this is a perfect game. Not even up for debate. Read the definition of a perfect game: . Baseball A complete game in which no opposing batter reaches first base. max is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 You said it. JonE is like death and taxes! You can always count on him to come through. Hey Jackass PussE If I'm like death and taxes, you surely are like the corn in my dookie Just.... one flush and lets be gone with you...okay PussE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Hey BoSawxPussEgirlE I was i New York this weekend...went to a few games Can you tell us why you are such a PussE, and wouldn't meet me for a drink I think everyone here wants you and I to meet I'm coming back..have the weekend season ticket pass....maybe next time you can meet me at Stans for a round....I'll buy Whatcha say, PussE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 That's what I thought...PussE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 I dont live anywhere near NYC, dude...WTF do I care where you said you meet me? Do you really wanna grab a beer...or do you wanna throw down? I feel like Chris Matthews to your Zell Miller. Or are you trying to deflect away the criticism on this thread directed at you for opening your big mouth and being WRONG as usual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Do you really wanna grab a beer...or do you wanna throw down? ? Throw down with you? Why would I want to do that. You talk so tough, you'd kick my ass You speak like such a tough guy on this board, i'd just like to buy you a beer. Can't two adversaries sit and have a beer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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