i remember shea Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 i don't know if this has been "threaded" yet, so i apologize if this is a repeat... we are constantly in the hole after each kick-off...the return men are standing at the goal line and then obtaining running starts after Nugent's kick-offs. they are already in motion as they catch the ball, and are heading upfield at near full speed. it is wreaking havoc in the field position game. the average start for those two tds in the last 8 minutes of the game had to be at the 30+ yardline. it is really concerning, and is consistently a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 i don't know if this has been "threaded" yet, so i apologize if this is a repeat... we are constantly in the hole after each kick-off...the return men are standing at the goal line and then obtaining running starts after Nugent's kick-offs. they are already in motion as they catch the ball, and are heading upfield at near full speed. it is wreaking havoc in the field position game. the average start for those two tds in the last 8 minutes of the game had to be at the 30+ yardline. it is really concerning, and is consistently a problem. ya he blows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 i don't know if this has been "threaded" yet, so i apologize if this is a repeat... we are constantly in the hole after each kick-off...the return men are standing at the goal line and then obtaining running starts after Nugent's kick-offs. they are already in motion as they catch the ball, and are heading upfield at near full speed. it is wreaking havoc in the field position game. the average start for those two tds in the last 8 minutes of the game had to be at the 30+ yardline. it is really concerning, and is consistently a problem. We should just onside kick after every score. We can save our special team players 10 to 15 yards of running every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistalava Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I noticed this last year, too. I thought he was supposed to have a big leg. He's weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Our noodle legged kicker might not be able to kick a field goal but he sure can land his kick-offs deep in the endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Agreed this is an issue. I don't think Nugent will be the kicker next season. I am sure they tried it but I would love to see Graham kicking off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Agreed this is an issue. I don't think Nugent will be the kicker next season. I am sure they tried it but I would love to see Graham kicking off! Unless he can punt the thing it ain't gonna happen. In Aussie Rules you don't kick off a tee. I can punt a football 50 yards, but can't kick off a tee or kick a field goal to save my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Nugent is a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 westoff coaches loft not distance on kickoffs - it's not about distance it's about time for the guys to get down field and LESS TIME for the returner to look upfield you all saw what an NFL KO returner can do with time! Justin Miller got it 4 yards deep in the end zone, sized up the field and tore that Colts coverage apart. how much did distance matter for Gramattica's "Best" kickoff of the day? Give a guy like Justin Miller more distance that's a DISADVANTAGE for the kicking team. what's an extra 10 yards for a guy that runs 4.3 with explosion? it's about 3 strides distance on kickoffs is extremely overrated especially by Jets fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 westoff coaches loft not distance on kickoffs - it's not about distance it's about time for the guys to get down field and LESS TIME for the returner to look upfield you all saw what an NFL KO returner can do with time! Justin Miller got it 4 yards deep in the end zone, sized up the field and tore that Colts coverage apart. how much did distance matter for Gramattica's "Best" kickoff of the day? Give a guy like Justin Miller more distance that's a DISADVANTAGE for the kicking team. what's an extra 10 yards for a guy that runs 4.3 with explosion? it's about 3 strides distance on kickoffs is extremely overrated especially by Jets fans. Nugent's last kick off had neither loft or distance, it was a short line drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 westoff coaches loft not distance on kickoffs - it's not about distance it's about time for the guys to get down field and LESS TIME for the returner to look upfield you all saw what an NFL KO returner can do with time! Justin Miller got it 4 yards deep in the end zone, sized up the field and tore that Colts coverage apart. how much did distance matter for Gramattica's "Best" kickoff of the day? Give a guy like Justin Miller more distance that's a DISADVANTAGE for the kicking team. what's an extra 10 yards for a guy that runs 4.3 with explosion? it's about 3 strides distance on kickoffs is extremely overrated especially by Jets fans. If you watched the Pats/Bengals game you would have seen kick-offs with loft and distance. I think the Bengals ran out the ball twice and we kicked off 7 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 westoff coaches loft not distance on kickoffs - it's not about distance it's about time for the guys to get down field and LESS TIME for the returner to look upfield you all saw what an NFL KO returner can do with time! Justin Miller got it 4 yards deep in the end zone, sized up the field and tore that Colts coverage apart. how much did distance matter for Gramattica's "Best" kickoff of the day? Give a guy like Justin Miller more distance that's a DISADVANTAGE for the kicking team. what's an extra 10 yards for a guy that runs 4.3 with explosion? it's about 3 strides distance on kickoffs is extremely overrated especially by Jets fans. You can't possibly believe that crap. Distance on kick-offs is not important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I must admit I'm the fan who liked the Nugent drafting in the 2nd, Yep, I'm the guy With that said I must admit I have been VERY concerned with his short kickoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudicus Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Ok now I agree about Nugent, we drafted him with a 2nd pick and a kicker drafted in the 6th the same year just booted one perfectly from over 50, Rayner......how much do we want to go back in time and stop that from hapening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I must admit I'm the fan who liked the Nugent drafting in the 2nd, Yep, I'm the guy With that said I must admit I have been VERY concerned with his short kickoffs. Nothing wrong with admitting your mistakes. I do it all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Nugent could have kicked the ball to China and Manning and the Colts would have drove from the Great Wall on the defense that last quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 You can't possibly believe that crap. Distance on kick-offs is not important? He didnt say that. But hangtime is more important. I swear some people would rather he kick a line drive a yard deep in the endzone every time which would only make the starting field position better for the other team. Matter of fact, he had good loft on each of his kickoffs which mostly were within the 5 yard line, but his last kickoff was weak I wont lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 westoff coaches loft not distance on kickoffs - it's not about distance it's about time for the guys to get down field and LESS TIME for the returner to look upfield you all saw what an NFL KO returner can do with time! Justin Miller got it 4 yards deep in the end zone, sized up the field and tore that Colts coverage apart. how much did distance matter for Gramattica's "Best" kickoff of the day? Give a guy like Justin Miller more distance that's a DISADVANTAGE for the kicking team. what's an extra 10 yards for a guy that runs 4.3 with explosion? it's about 3 strides distance on kickoffs is extremely overrated especially by Jets fans. That would be fine if the Jets were preventing the other team from starting with good field position. I havent looked at the stats but it seems like Nuge kicks to the 5 and it is returned for 27 yards each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 That would be fine if the Jets were preventing the other team from starting with good field position. I havent looked at the stats but it seems like Nuge kicks to the 5 and it is returned for 27 yards each time. How many times have the Jets opponents started past the 30-yard line this year? Sunday was just another example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 westoff coaches loft not distance on kickoffs - it's not about distance it's about time for the guys to get down field and LESS TIME for the returner to look upfield you all saw what an NFL KO returner can do with time! Justin Miller got it 4 yards deep in the end zone, sized up the field and tore that Colts coverage apart. how much did distance matter for Gramattica's "Best" kickoff of the day? Give a guy like Justin Miller more distance that's a DISADVANTAGE for the kicking team. what's an extra 10 yards for a guy that runs 4.3 with explosion? it's about 3 strides distance on kickoffs is extremely overrated especially by Jets fans. That is all fine and dandy, but Westhoff might want to start practicing tackling skills also. The loft over distance only works if you hold them to a small average. The Jets' 23.8 average against is 24th in the league. I could be wrong, but 23.8 from the 5 is better then 23.8 from the 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I can always tell when these putzes enter a thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I can always tell when these putzes enter a thread Blah Blah Blah!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I can always tell when these putzes enter a thread So you have absolutely no problem with Nugent's weak leg and short kick-offs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I must admit I'm the fan who liked the Nugent drafting in the 2nd, Yep, I'm the guy With that said I must admit I have been VERY concerned with his short kickoffs. My take on the pick was it was a reaction pick. However if he turned out to be automatic and have a big leg and was our kicker for 10 years in a few years the lost pick wouldn't mean much. In retrospect the lack of attention to both the DL and the OL in order to fix a relatively small problem turned out to be incredibly stupid. Nuge was drafted on reputation not ability. We have a kicker who is far from automatic and who gives up field position. That's not a very good pick in round 2 for a team that had issues on both lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 we are here 2-2 after a 4-12 campaign and people are bitterly whining about kickoffs what's next? Gonna hold a protest about the price of parking? Jets fans natural state is to be pissed off and dissapointed about s--t they don't control and most of the time don't understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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