Maxman Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 Speculation is all BZ has used in the debate. When he actually provided some facts, they were srong. Is srong short for strong or wrong? Tx is shaking so much he can't even type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Is srong short for strong or wrong? Tx is shaking so much he can't even type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Tx, the Jets are 12th in points allowed. I thought that was your criteria. Now you're using 24th. You can grasp for another one if you want. Which is two points ahead of Cincinnati and when was the last time they were considered a good D? 1988? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 What is maliciousness a byproduct of? Oh, TX - like you had a chance in hell of winning over a Jest fan? Please....homerism is a by-product of delusion and stupidity. p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 ....homerism is a by-product of delusion and stupidity. These people use speculation as fact. Lemme use some fact. The demise of the New England Patriots has been greatly exxagerrated. Did you really just write these sentences in the same post? (We wont deduct for spelling.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 And you expected what exactly? You have been here forever. You know what these people are like. A win - and it's Superbowl time - a loss, and they are ready to start Clemmons. Seriously. But I'm curious as to why you would even think you could win this argument on a Jets board? That chances of that happening are as good as you ever winning POTW. "nevah" gonna happen. Jets fans are "wicked retahded homah's" To be fair Garb don't you as well pick the Pats to lose very week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 when was the last time they were considered a good D? 1988? When Patriot fans use the premise of them beating Cincinatti as some great win, that the Jets magically do not have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 When Patriot fans use the premise of them beating Cincinatti as some great win, that the Jets magically do not have It is used in the context of 'never beating a winning team' anymore. The last I knew 8-6 equates to a winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 It is used in the context of 'never beating a winning team' anymore. The last I knew 8-6 equates to a winning team. Speak to your golden child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Which is two points ahead of Cincinnati and when was the last time they were considered a good D? 1988? Which is also ahead of Dallas, Carolina, Atlanta, Philly, Washington, Seattle, and the Giants. When were they considered good defenses? 2005? P.s. Neither statement has any bearing on the fact that the Jets are 12th in the NFL in points allowed. Side note, the NFC really sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16G-MONEY Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 BZ is winning this; if it were a prizefight, it's a 2nd round TKO. 2nd round?!?!?! This is like watching Mike Tyson (BZ) take on Bruce Seldon (Tx)... it would be laughable if it wasn't such a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Did you really just write these sentences in the same post? (We wont deduct for spelling.) My spelling is atrocious (did I spell that right? ). I stand by my statement. The Pats defense is markedly better than last season.....yet they are on the decline? You can't be ranked second in points allowed and be on the decline. All I'm sayin..... The premise of the debate is that the Jets will achive "greatness" in 2007. Although "greatness" still needs to be defined by Max - I suspect that means over-taking the Pats as top dog in the division next year. I do not think that will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 To be fair Garb don't you as well pick the Pats to lose very week? Yes, every week...and not for the reason you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Speak to your golden child. Speak to Gimmie Shelter...that is his argument. Jetlag And being 12th in points out of 32 teams means you are barely above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Speak to Gimmie Shelter...that is his argument. Jetlag And being 12th in points out of 32 teams means you are barely above average. No, no, no, PFSIKH - no logic allowed! I will say: This thread is fun. It's great to debate facts, speculation, dreams, whatever......so cool....good stuff. Better than the usual drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Speak to Gimmie Shelter...that is his argument. Jetlag And being 12th in points out of 32 teams means you are barely above average. No, 15th is barely above average. 12th is above average which is contradictory to everything you Pats fans have said/believe about the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I still don't understand what the debate is about? Are the Jets improved? Hell yah - duh....look at the won-loss record and statistical ranking. Are the Pats on the decline? Record and stats say "no." So, can the Jets achieve "greatness" - I suppose....but that would be under the assumption that the Pats are not/or can not. C'mon now....as long as Brady is the QB, the D-line stays intact and BB is the HC - I can't see them sucking anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 No, 15th is barely above average. 12th is above average which is contradictory to everything you Pats fans have said/believe about the Jets. First, the Jets are 13th. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&sort=ppg&pos=def&league=nfl&season=2&year=2006 When the Jets are closer to last in the league in points allowed (5.8) then first (6.6). Your team is not above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I still don't understand what the debate is about? Are the Jets improved? Hell yah - duh....look at the won-loss record and statistical ranking. Are the Pats on the decline? Record and stats say "no." So, can the Jets achieve "greatness" - I suppose....but that would be under the assumption that the Pats are not/or can not. C'mon now....as long as Brady is the QB, the D-line stays intact and BB is the HC - I can't see them sucking anytime soon. I definitely agree with Garb on the gray area of the debate topic. Although both BZ and Tx clearly are arguing the same thing and the uncertainty of the topic isn't going to negate the fact that Tx doesn't really believe what he's arguing for. He's attempting to play devil's advocate but there really isn't a strong case for it in this argument. It seems like it's pretty much a widely accepted idea that the Jets have gotten drastically better and will continue to do so. Even if they play the same in 2007 as they have the second half of 2006 the Jets will push the Patriots for the AFC East and that's not to mention that the Bills might even work their way into the argument. Although I'm not a big believer in Dick Jauron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 Agreed -- next go around we can have a broader topic. But Tx has been so consistent with his points this year. The Jets are not improved, they are going nowhere, they only win because of a soft schedule. Blah, blah, blah. If all of those things were true, this topic should have been easier for him to debate. So this excercise in large part was an act of house keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Is srong short for strong or wrong? Tx is shaking so much he can't even type. I think he was trying to say he was beaten by a chick in a sarong. He cant even see straight after that beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 First, the Jets are 13th. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&sort=ppg&pos=def&league=nfl&season=2&year=2006 When the Jets are closer to last in the league in points allowed (5.8) then first (6.6). Your team is not above average. First, the Jets are tied for 12th at 20.1. Secondly if you're going to use math, atleast use the mean average. The league average is 20.6 by my math. That puts the Jets a half point better than the average. That my friend is called "above average" if you want to be techincal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16G-MONEY Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I think he was trying to say he was beaten by a chick in a sarong. He cant even see straight after that beating. He wouldn't know what to DO with a chick in a sarong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I can't get enough of watching BZ school Tx by using his own quotes against him. "I didn't know you were going to use somebody else's quotes" "They're your quotes" INSTANT CLASSIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 First, the Jets are tied for 12th at 20.1. Secondly if you're going to use math, atleast use the mean average. The league average is 20.6 by my math. That puts the Jets a half point better than the average. That my friend is called "above average" if you want to be techincal. How can you be tied for 12th when Carolina has given up less points? That is why they are 13th on the list. They are not even in the top third of the league. That would be above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 How can you be tied for 12th when Carolina has given up less points? That is why they are 13th on the list. They are not even in the top third of the league. That would be above average. 20.6 = average above average < 20.6 < below average 20.1 < 20.6 If you're going to split hairs than so am I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 20.6 = average above average < 20.6 < below average 20.1 < 20.6 If you're going to split hairs than so am I. Ok...here is my cut. #1.....Baltimore 13.4 #32...San Francisco 25.9 25.9-13.4=12.5 divide by 2 gives you the average of 19.65. Jets 20.1 is below average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Ok...here is my cut. #1.....Baltimore 13.4 #32...San Francisco 25.9 25.9-13.4=12.5 divide by 2 gives you the average of 19.65. Jets 20.1 is below average. That is what our president would call "fuzzy math". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16G-MONEY Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 update... well, not really. It's just an observation. In the debate Tx reminds me of the black knight in Monte Python's Holy Grail. Tx is getting the snot beaten out of him and doesn't even realize it. And he keeps begging for more. Go ahead, Arthur... finish him off. Tx - "Come back here, you pansy!" Bz - "What?! Yours arms are off!" Tx - "Tis but a flesh wound" LOL! One more thing... I just remembered that King Arthur's coconut carrying servant's name is... PATSY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 This isnt even a fair fight... TX is getting smacked around by BZ.... sure he has had a couple good comebacks but BZ has had entire freakin term papers full of reasons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 This isnt even a fair fight... TX is getting smacked around by BZ.... sure he has had a couple good comebacks but BZ has had entire freakin term papers full of reasons! Reasons???? The correct word is "opinions" and they have no place in a debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16G-MONEY Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Reasons???? The correct word is "opinions" and they have no place in a debate. Yes, reasons are what Bz has provided for the most part. Blind opinions is all you've EVER offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Reasons???? The correct word is "opinions" and they have no place in a debate. Thats merely your opinion... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 As to the Defensive argument, BZ can put that right to bed. If you take our D over the last 9 games, here's the average: 200 yds passing, 125 yds rushing, 16 points. The first 3 games were not very good, nor would I have expected them to be given that we have mediocre personnel fit for a 4-3 D learning an entirely new 3-4. Now I'm sure Tx will try to argue strength of schedule, but the fact is our D is head and shoulders better than it was last year. Every aspect of our team is better than it was last year for that matter, and we have either the same players or rookies filling in the voids. Do we have a ferocious D? Not at all, but the Pats NEVER did either. They had a smart D that focused on not allowing points. That's exactly what we're doing now and it's working. This D is only going to get better witgh a couple small improvements here and there. And BTW, those points are not taking into consideration the 3 times I can think of where Chad turned the ball over giving the opposition possession within the red zone already. When Chad doesn't turn the ball over like that we are giving up a paltry 13.5 points a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Yes, reasons are what Bz has provided for the most part. Blind opinions is all you've EVER offered. Here are some of BZ's 'reasons' at work: - The Jets are QB deep for 2007 (Chad + Kellen) - A QB having his worst season and one with one career pass. An incomplete one none the less. - The 3/4 Defense is working and will work better in 2007 - Why Zulidamus" Because you said so. - The 2006 Draft is a HUGE success with the 2007 Draft only to add- Zulidamus strikes again. Mangini didn't just study under Bill and Bill, he is going to improve on it. - Zulidamus Post #7 - Zulidamus strikes again. The Jets will improve due to a Zulidamus proclamation and the three teams with better defenses in the division, two of which have a better QB situation and the third has more QB depth are going to struggle by virtue of a Zulidamus decree. The more I read the more I see all of his "reasons' are pure conjecture. When painted into a corner with actual facts, BZ has tried to throw Tex's predictions or positive comments about the Jets as proof they are going to be great next year. The few times he has used facts, they are more often then not wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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