Clemens and Mangini.

[BUM-KNEE]

My point is I wouldn't have called Harris a potential DROY if i didn't think he should have started, whether it be for Vilma or someone else, the guy was an obvious stud and should have been starting week 1.

Yes but Mangini isnt going to just stick him out there with his afterbirth still attatched, he took the time to get him in there slowly. I think he did the right thing.

[Irish Jet]

Yes but Mangini isnt going to just stick him out there with his afterbirth still attatched, he took the time to get him in there slowly. I think he did the right thing.

I don't agree at all. LB is a position where you can come straight in as a rookie and play effectively. I honestly do think he could have made a huge difference in those earlier game, maybe even won us a few. If the "right thing" is the team ending up 3-10 then I really am curious to see what the wrong thing would be.

[pjam76]

Yeah, my agenda is to keep a coach till he has time to finish what he started. Not knee jerk him down the road.

Hey on that note we should just give him a 10 year extension and even if the jets never win a playoff game, lets give him more time....

It's funny how some people are calling Vince Young and Reggie Bush busts and yet are saying "Mangini and DBrick" need more time to develop.

And this theory that it's only "One Bad Season" Is funny cause you can also say he had "One Good Season."

He should get another year, but it doesn't really mean he's building anything good.

[Irish Jet]

hindsight is always 20/20

WTF are you talking about, didn't I just say I said that before the damn season.

[BP]

Hey on that note we should just give him a 10 year extension and even if the jets never win a playoff game, lets give him more time....

It's funny how some people are calling Vince Young and Reggie Bush busts and yet are saying "Mangini and DBrick" need more time to develop.

And this theory that it's only "One Bad Season" Is funny cause you can also say he had "One Good Season."

He should get another year, but it doesn't really mean he's building anything good.

Well then, Romeo Crennell should have been fired too, right? the Browns were horrible last year, and the year before. wait, they're winning this year though, right?

[Irish Jet]

Well then, Romeo Crennell should have been fired too, right? the Browns were horrible last year, and the year before. wait, they're winning this year though, right?

They will be terrible the next time they have a tough schedule. Wait'll you see. IMO the Browns are this years 2006 Jets, beating up on very weak teams.

[BP]

They will be terrible the next time they have a tough schedule. Wait'll you see. IMO the Browns are this years 2006 Jets, beating up on very weak teams.

That's been the MO of the NY Giants the last 8 years, it's called the NFL if you're not the Patriots.

[pjam76]

Well then, Romeo Crennell should have been fired too, right? the Browns were horrible last year, and the year before. wait, they're winning this year though, right?

And what does that mean? They might sneak into the playoffs and then wind up 6-10 next year? Yeah wasn't that what Herm did? We've been down that road before..

But hey according to your logic, if the Jets wind up 1-15 next year Mangini still deserves a 10 year extension.... And on that same note I guess you think George Bush deserves another 8 years to see what he can build or waste.

[BP]

And what does that mean? They might sneak into the playoffs and then wind up 6-10 next year? Yeah wasn't that what Herm did? We've been down that road before..

But hey according to your logic, if the Jets wind up 1-15 next year Mangini still deserves a 10 year extension.... And on that same note I guess you think George Bush deserves another 8 years to see what he can build or waste.

What are your expectations? mine were mediocre, not horrible like we are. you want Mangini fired after one bad season, so tell me, who is going to save the Jets? (other than Mangini), who by the way when he got hired said this would be a process, not a quick fix.

Lets see, Bellichick is taken, so you can't choose him. who is it pjam? tell me, you surely must know.

[BUM-KNEE]

I don't agree at all. LB is a position where you can come straight in as a rookie and play effectively. I honestly do think he could have made a huge difference in those earlier game, maybe even won us a few. If the "right thing" is the team ending up 3-10 then I really am curious to see what the wrong thing would be.

Yes he might have, but why take the chance with it when he is probably going to be a major piece of our defense for years to come? There were no signs that the D would be THAT bad right out of the gate. --and Mangini was giving him PT here and there, which is the right thing to do for Harris.

[pjam76]

What are your expectations? mine were mediocre, not horrible like we are. you want Mangini fired after one bad season, so tell me, who is going to save the Jets? (other than Mangini), who by the way when he got hired said this would be a process, not a quick fix.

Lets see, Bellichick is taken, so you can't choose him. who is it pjam? tell me, you surely must know.

You don't read too well. I never said he should be fired on the spot. I said he should get another year.. But honestly, I don't have that much hope at this point...

And stop with this "One Bad Year" crap.... He's only been a HC for 2 seasons.. It's not like he had 10 good years and 1 bad one.. He had one good year and one bad one.. At this point he could be Jim Mora Jr or worse or he could be Herm or he might be Parcells one day.. Who knows but saying he only had 1 bad year is ridiculous for a guy who has only been a coach for 2 seasons.

I was expecting between 7 to 9 wins this season. It would be a step back but I never expected something like 3-13 or 4-12. THis is worse than the 2005 season. At least then we had hope that Herm would be gone and we'd get a starting QB..

What's the hope for next season? That they get lucky, sneak into the playoffs, and then wind up 5-11 in 2009.... Gee what a great prospect...

If they don't do anything in the offseason with free agency, I will be very concerned... Adding a couple players in the draft isn't going to fix this team.

And by the way, the Colts have been a contender for quite a few years regardless of schedule. That is the hope.. To be a team that could care less who they play year in and year out.

[Irish Jet]

Yes he might have, but why take the chance with it when he is probably going to be a major piece of our defense for years to come? There were no signs that the D would be THAT bad right out of the gate. --and Mangini was giving him PT here and there, which is the right thing to do for Harris.

Mangini should have known from Camp and Pre-season just how bad the D was going to be. It's his responsibilty to recognise that and do everything he could to improve it. he obviously didn't.

[Irish Jet]

BP, I have a question for you:

Do you think Cam cameron should be fired???

After 1 bad year???

[pjam76]

Mangini should have known from Camp and Pre-season just how bad the D was going to be. It's his responsibilty to recognise that and do everything he could to improve it. he obviously didn't.

Why bother... I have doubts about a coach who thought dumping Kendall and starting Clarke was the right decision.

[Irish Jet]

Why bother... I have doubts about a coach who thought dumping Kendall and starting Clarke was the right decision.

Yeah, another great moment for him.

[BUM-KNEE]

Hey on that note we should just give him a 10 year extension and even if the jets never win a playoff game, lets give him more time....

It's funny how some people are calling Vince Young and Reggie Bush busts and yet are saying "Mangini and DBrick" need more time to develop.

And this theory that it's only "One Bad Season" Is funny cause you can also say he had "One Good Season."

He should get another year, but it doesn't really mean he's building anything good.

Well Ill tell you this, the knee jerk reaction BS has been going on for too long. If you dont feel that Mangini should be given the time to get the players that he wants and implement his system then jerk-jerk away. Hell, you can even boycott the Jets if you want to. You should probably start with Jets messageboards though.......

[Irish Jet]

Well Ill tell you this, the knee jerk reaction BS has been going on for too long. If you dont feel that Mangini should be given the time to get the players that he wants and implement his system then jerk-jerk away. Hell, you can even boycott the Jets if you want to. You should probably start with Jets messageboards though.......

Look enough of this 'Mangini should be given more time'.

We're getting worse as games go on, we're going backwards instead of forwards. He's had 2 years to fix this team and bring in his players. Well the more of 'his players' we bring in the worse we are getting.

He has done an absolute disgraceful job this year and anyone who disagrees is in denial.

[pjam76]

Well Ill tell you this, the knee jerk reaction BS has been going on for too long. If you dont feel that Mangini should be given the time to get the players that he wants and implement his system then jerk-jerk away. Hell, you can even boycott the Jets if you want to. You should probably start with Jets messageboards though.......

It doesn't take 5 years to build a winner in the NFL anymore... Teams that take 5 years to build winners are the 49ers, Texans, Dolphins, Lions, Bengals and so on..

Oh yeah none of those teams are winning.

The Jets might go 9-7 next year but I'm looking for a team that plans on building a contender, not a team that goes 9-7 one year, 4-12 the next.

If the Jets go 6-10 next year and aren't that much better than this season, what are they really building but another Texans or 49ers team that never wins.

And the reality is, They've drafted 3 OL, two in the first round, the OL is worse now than it was in 2005. Talk about never building anything good. Great they draft another OL in the first round to make it 4 OL in 4 years and oh no injuries happen and people complain like Kendall and suddenly we are back to square one.....

If you need 5 good OL to have a good OL, you might as well just quit... Look at the Colts. They lost a pro bowl OL. Replaced him with a rookie. A few others on that OL got injured this season. There starting RB is injured and playing hurt. Their HOF WR has missed half the season. THey lost a TE and WR and a few defensive players in the offseason..... Yet they still only have 2 losses this season.

There is no such thing as drafting 20 players and expecting to keep them for 10 years anymore. If the Jets aren't any better next season, than Mangini should be fired. End of story.

[Bugg]

Has Vilma played like an all-pro in the 3-4???

Mangini should have been able to recognise how good the 'rookie' was in Camp and pre-season.

In fairness, they played a lot of 4 man fornts today, close to half the time. It still a.couldn't stop Jamal Lewis nor b. generate a pass rush.

[BUM-KNEE]

It doesn't take 5 years to build a winner in the NFL anymore... Teams that take 5 years to build winners are the 49ers, Texans, Dolphins, Lions, Bengals and so on..

Oh yeah none of those teams are winning.

The Jets might go 9-7 next year but I'm looking for a team that plans on building a contender, not a team that goes 9-7 one year, 4-12 the next.

If the Jets go 6-10 next year and aren't that much better than this season, what are they really building but another Texans or 49ers team that never wins.

And the reality is, They've drafted 3 OL, two in the first round, the OL is worse now than it was in 2005. Talk about never building anything good. Great they draft another OL in the first round to make it 4 OL in 4 years and oh no injuries happen and people complain like Kendall and suddenly we are back to square one.....

If you need 5 good OL to have a good OL, you might as well just quit... Look at the Colts. They lost a pro bowl OL. Replaced him with a rookie. A few others on that OL got injured this season. There starting RB is injured and playing hurt. Their HOF WR has missed half the season. THey lost a TE and WR and a few defensive players in the offseason..... Yet they still only have 2 losses this season.

There is no such thing as drafting 20 players and expecting to keep them for 10 years anymore. If the Jets aren't any better next season, than Mangini should be fired. End of story.

Yeah I see your point, lets grab yet another new HC and start the whole scenerio over again. Makes sense..........

[serphnx]

Look enough of this 'Mangini should be given more time'.

We're getting worse as games go on, we're going backwards instead of forwards. He's had 2 years to fix this team and bring in his players. Well the more of 'his players' we bring in the worse we are getting.

He has done an absolute disgraceful job this year and anyone who disagrees is in denial.

Even a proven winner like Larry Brown didn't last. It's too bad we got Woody and not the Dolans. We'd have our own stadium in Manhattan and the checkbook would be open. If our decisions are bad, at least it's not because of cheapness but rather because of bad decisions, and in the NFL with the hard cap and being able to cut players that wouldn't be as much of a problem, the Dolans would get someone in here that knew what they were doing and then spend that money.

I'm losing faith in Woody. I've been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt in terms of spending but it's beginning to wear thin. He isn't paying Mangini much and you wonder if that is by design. And being under the salary cap too...you just begin to wonder.

[Irish Jet]

How's Mike McCarthy doing???

How's Brad Childress doing???

How's Gary Kubiak doing???

How's Dick Jauron???

How's Rod Marinelli doing???

Notice something about all those coaches, they all came in to their teams in 2006 in pretty bad scenarios all at least seemingly have their team headed in the right direction. Sean payton also seems to be going backwards a little but FFs last year he took his team to the NFC title game!!!!

We don't look to be going anywhere with Mangini, that's why I want him gone. There is no point in standing by this guy if he isn't offering any promise.

[Irish Jet]

In fairness, they played a lot of 4 man fornts today, close to half the time. It still a.couldn't stop Jamal Lewis nor b. generate a pass rush.

I'm not saying we should be playing the 4-3.

[BUM-KNEE]

Even a proven winner like Larry Brown didn't last. It's too bad we got Woody and not the Dolans. We'd have our own stadium in Manhattan and the checkbook would be open. If our decisions are bad, at least it's not because of cheapness but rather because of bad decisions, and in the NFL with the hard cap and being able to cut players that wouldn't be as much of a problem, the Dolans would get someone in here that knew what they were doing and then spend that money.

I'm losing faith in Woody. I've been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt in terms of spending but it's beginning to wear thin. He isn't paying Mangini much and you wonder if that is by design. And being under the salary cap too...you just begin to wonder.

I agree, Woody hasnt given the image that hes too concerned about the teams well being.

[pjam76]

Yeah I see your point, lets grab yet another new HC and start the whole scenerio over again. Makes sense..........

And if the Jets do nothing in the offseason with FA, stink again next year, lets stick with Mangini for 5 more seasons and wind up worse than the NY Knicks and that Fiasco. Great..

It's one thing if the team improved and it looked like they were building something. But the Jets got worse and in all honesty, we still don't know about our QB, we still have a bad OL, we still have no running game, we still have a bad defense who don't stop the run, don't pressure the QB, and we have a coach who looks like an idiot at the end of games and in the second half.

Gee isn't that what we said about Herm? Why didn't we keep him around for another 10 years to see what he might build. Give me a break. If the Jets wind up 5-11 next year and show no real improvements, why stick with a loser?

[BUM-KNEE]

And if the Jets do nothing in the offseason with FA, stink again next year, lets stick with Mangini for 5 more seasons and wind up worse than the NY Knicks and that Fiasco. Great..

It's one thing if the team improved and it looked like they were building something. But the Jets got worse and in all honesty, we still don't know about our QB, we still have a bad OL, we still have no running game, we still have a bad defense who don't stop the run, don't pressure the QB, and we have a coach who looks like an idiot at the end of games and in the second half.

Gee isn't that what we said about Herm? Why didn't we keep him around for another 10 years to see what he might build. Give me a break. If the Jets wind up 5-11 next year and show no real improvements, why stick with a loser?

Sticking with Mangini for 10 years of losing seasons makes about as much sense as making knee jerk reactions of calling for his head after 3/4 of a losing season. Usually only after a loss, I might add. Where were you after we beat Pittsburg?

[pjam76]

Sticking with Mangini for 10 years of losing seasons makes about as much sense as making knee jerk reactions of calling for his head after 3/4 of a losing season. Usually only after a loss, I might add. Where were you after we beat Pittsburg?

Maybe you should pay attention to the news... Here in Seattle and the NW we had a storm and many people lost electricity and had flooded out houses. Lucky for me it wasn't as bad as some other people, but regardless, maybe you should know what you're talking about or pay attention to something other than what goes on some forum.

[serphnx]

Andy Reid will most likely be available this year. Cowher has a chance too. Are either of these options a good choice over Mangini?

[pjam76]

Andy Reid will most likely be available this year. Cowher has a chance too. Are either of these options a good choice over Mangini?

I don't like Reid.. He's a good coach but he's one of those guys who has that "my way or the highway attitude" and while he is good, he also got lucky for years to be playing in the NFC Least. As soon as that division improved, the Eagles haven't been that good and talk about a guy who relied on his QB and the passing game too much..

Cower I like, but i doubt he comes to the Jets...

And I bet both will demand more money than the Jets are willing to pay.

[Irish Jet]

If I hear that Pittburgh game excuse one more time I will go ****ing mental!!

Do you not think it's kind of sad that you are boasting about that one great game coached this season. He's been terrible, accept it.

[BUM-KNEE]

Maybe you should pay attention to the news... Here in Seattle and the NW we had a storm and many people lost electricity and had flooded out houses. Lucky for me it wasn't as bad as some other people, but regardless, maybe you should know what you're talking about or pay attention to something other than what goes on some forum.

Yeah ok chief, and youre here as some sort of punishment? maybe just for the casino?

I want to see a team built that competes year in and year out too, I just dont see cutting Manginis head off yet because we have had a rough year. Lets see what is done with this off-season to better this team.

[pjam76]

Yeah ok chief, and youre here as some sort of punishment? maybe just for the casino?

I want to see a team built that competes year in and year out too, I just dont see cutting Manginis head off yet because we have had a rough year. Lets see what is done with this off-season to better this team.

huh?

Yeah maybe you should actually leave your bedroom once in a while... Your a moron... I guess a state that gets $1 Billion dollars worth of damage is some laughing matter..

Maybe to a freaking idiot.

[Irish Jet]

I want to see a team built that competes year in and year out too, I just dont see cutting Manginis head off yet because we have had a rough year. Lets see what is done with this off-season to better this team.

After last seasons off-season I have lost faith. We will give him another off-season and this team will only get worse IMO, we'll take another step back and by the time mangini is gone the entire team will be in a shambles.

[BUM-KNEE]

huh?

Yeah maybe you should actually leave your bedroom once in a while... Your a moron... I guess a state that gets $1 Billion dollars worth of damage is some laughing matter..

Maybe to a freaking idiot.

What exactly are you talking about? Whos laughing?

"Pay attention to something other than what goes on in some forum". Remember typing that chief? Are you saying you are on this forum for the brownie recipes?

Way to bring it to insulting people.

[pjam76]

What exactly are you talking about? Whos laughing?

"Pay attention to something other than what goes on in some forum". Remember typing that chief? Are you saying you are on this forum for the brownie recipes?

Way to bring it to insulting people.

What does casino have to do with a state under emergency ? You asked where I was last week and I told you many people in the NW HAD NO ELECTRICITY and WERE FLOODED OUT ... People couldn't get from Portland to Seattle cause I-5 was busted. ... Companies were losing millions of bucks per day cause trains were out, roads were out, airports were closed....

So i do take it personally when some moron throws out claims about where people were or weren't when the reality is you don't bother to leave your freaking bedroom or watch the news....

It's not my problem your an idiot who thinks a state that got $1 Billion worth of damages isn't a serious issue... Sorry if I missed last weeks game and sorry if I missed posting on the freaking forum but I had better pressing needs to deal with.

Like I said, maybe you should leave your bedroom once in a while.