Jetsfan80 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Sad to say, but the team that ended the year with arguably the worst choke job since the 1964 Phillies was probably better than the "new Mets" of 2008, the way things are shaping up. The Santana deal simply covered up the many other flaws that this team had (namely, the right side of the infield being too old and mediocre middle relieving), and exposed their already depleted farm system. Former Mets Carlos Gomez, Lastings Milledge and Brian Bannister are, naturally, having productive starts for other teams, and when Scott Kazmir returns from the DL, he will instantly make the Rays even more of a contender than they already look. Minaya stupidly put Ruben Gotay on waivers (who was immediately snatched up by ATL), thus giving away another young up-and-comer who would likely have been Luis Castillo's heir at 2B. It's a long season, and I hope they prove me wrong. But the last year at Shea looks bleak, and the first season in Citi Field even bleaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhinHater Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I agree with you that there are flaws...but let's give it a few weeks before we start saying they are going to be terrible. You could be right, but I am going to hold my thoughts until May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Jetsfan80, that's your punishment for Yankee bashing all last year. with that said, the Mets in 08 > Mets in 07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 maybe the bullpen could use some help though hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jetsfan80 Posted April 9, 2008 Author Share Posted April 9, 2008 I agree with you that there are flaws...but let's give it a few weeks before we start saying they are going to be terrible. Not once did I say the 2008 Mets are terrible. Merely, I said that they are weaker than last season, even with Santana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 No, that's Mets fans punishment for Omar Minaya's questionable decision-making. Any bashing the Yankees got last year, they deserved, as always. lol. never! as for Omar's moves, I'll admit he's made a few but he's got the Mets in a nice position for the future. they barely gave up anything to get Johan too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 It's a week into the season. You fellars are crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 9, 2008 Author Share Posted April 9, 2008 It's a week into the season. You fellars are crazy. It may be early, but even a sample size this small can have predictive value. Just look at the Tigers. Only 3 teams in MLB history have started a season 0-5 and made the postseason. They are now 0-6. History isn't on their side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 It may be early, but even a sample size this small can have predictive value. Just look at the Tigers. Only 3 teams in MLB history have started a season 0-5 and made the postseason. They are now 0-6. History isn't on their side. The Cubs started 0-2 and could do absolutely nothing offensively. Now, they are 4-3 and Derrek Lee looks like the '05 version. If the Mets still suck after a month, then it's time to push the panic button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Are you kidding me? What a truly great Mets fan you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 im not overly concerned yet. I do believe in giving it a month to see where we're at. and Im the guy who said they werent making the postseason... and Im willing to give it a little time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Have some faith- are the Mets a great team- no way but give them a chance instead of analysis after 6 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 9, 2008 Author Share Posted April 9, 2008 Have some faith- are the Mets a great team- no way but give them a chance instead of analysis after 6 games. It's difficult to have faith with the way last season ended. Even if they end up taking a large lead in the NL East in the midseason, they're just as vulnerable as coughing it up as they did last year, based on the pieces they have in place, the pieces they lack, and who they will be competing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Mart28 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 I'll agree that I am a little worried with the way the season has started but there are a few factors which I think should help the team out. Namely 1. A lot of players spent a majority of Spring Training sitting out, such as Beltran Castillo and Schneider. So I think it will take a few weeks for them to get into a normal groove as a rsult. 2. A lot of players are still on the DL. Sanchez and Wise should come back to help the bullpen. Pedro and El Duque will help starting pitching when they come back. And Alou will help the lineup. This team does have to get younger after this year. Pedro, El Duque, Alou, and Delgado all have to be out, since they are just declining with each year anyway. Hopefully Pelfrey works out so the team only has to worry about one starter next year, and hope some AAA prospects light up at 1B or we'll hit the market there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 9, 2008 Author Share Posted April 9, 2008 This team does have to get younger after this year. Pedro, El Duque, Alou, and Delgado all have to be out, since they are just declining with each year anyway. Hopefully Pelfrey works out so the team only has to worry about one starter next year, and hope some AAA prospects light up at 1B or we'll hit the market there as well. The Mets have no farm system. That's the problem. There will be no help coming, except maybe outfielder Fernando Martinez and a few "surprises". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Mart28 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 The Mets have no farm system. That's the problem. There will be no help coming, except maybe outfielder Fernando Martinez and a few "surprises". I was thinking more along the lines of free agents, I'm sure there have to be a few woung ones out there to fill areas of need, temporary upgrades at the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 80 you sound like Ham with this thread. Rocky start, we'll be fine. Church is a upgrade in RF. Santana a upgrade over Glavine. Schneider a upgrade over LoDuca. Maine and Perez will both be as good if not better than last season as will Delgado. I also don't see Reyes having a month like he did last Sept. We do need Alou and Pedro to give us 2/3 of a season at the least. The Alou injury however did allow us to see that Pagan is a valuable piece of the 25 man roster. 2-4 is no time to panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 Maine and Perez will both be as good if not better than last season as will Delgado. There is no chance Delgado puts up better numbers than previous years. He is on a rapid decline. His bat speed has been slowing ever since the end of the 2006 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 There is no chance Delgado puts up better numbers than previous years. He is on a rapid decline. His bat speed has been slowing ever since the end of the 2006 season. agreed, delgado is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 There is no chance Delgado puts up better numbers than previous years. He is on a rapid decline. His bat speed has been slowing ever since the end of the 2006 season. True but he'll be better than last year. I'd rather our issues(which aren't that bad IMO) than what the Yanks are dealing with right now to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 There is no chance Delgado puts up better numbers than previous years. He is on a rapid decline. His bat speed has been slowing ever since the end of the 2006 season. *** cough *** hgh. steroids ***cough*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 *** cough *** hgh. steroids ***cough*** i have not once heard a suspicion about Delgado. I wouldn't be surprised though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackout Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 of course not... he didnt use a new york supplier.. he had one in Toronto. there are a lot of players I suspect all over baseball, but there is no proof... too bad. travis hafner is one name i hear alot about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 So, anyone getting Orioles World Series tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jetsfan80 Posted May 16, 2008 Author Share Posted May 16, 2008 The Cubs started 0-2 and could do absolutely nothing offensively. Now, they are 4-3 and Derrek Lee looks like the '05 version. If the Mets still suck after a month, then it's time to push the panic button. BUMP. Well, it's been over a month, and the panic button has been pushed. I still stand by the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 BUMP. Well, it's been over a month, and the panic button has been pushed. I still stand by the thread title. mets are 2.5 games out of first and 2 back in the loss column. Not time to push the panic button yet. I am not happy with their performance, and still expect them to miss the playoffs, but I expected them to be farther back at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 BUMP. Well, it's been over a month, and the panic button has been pushed. I still stand by the thread title. At least the Mets have a cake series this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 At least the Mets have a cake series this weekend. If the Mets miraculously swept the other disaster across town they would actually buy some time with the venomous Mets fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 If the Mets miraculously swept the other disaster across town they would actually buy some time with the venomous Mets fans. until they get swept by the braves in the next series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 16, 2008 Author Share Posted May 16, 2008 At least the Mets have a cake series this weekend. The Nationals was supposed to be a "cake" series and they lost 3 of 4. The Mets have 17 games left with Florida, 16 games left with Philadelphia, and 13 with Atlanta. The locker room is split and Willie isn't the guy to handle it. This is the worst over-.500 team in the bigs right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 The Nationals was supposed to be a "cake" series and they lost 3 of 4. The Mets have 17 games left with Florida, 16 games left with Philadelphia, and 13 with Atlanta. The locker room is split and Willie isn't the guy to handle it. This is the worst over-.500 team in the bigs right now. Didn't you hear? They were "looking ahead" to the Yanks series. IMHO What they need is a take charge , kick ass manager like Lou. Willie's so darn laid back. The team is under performimg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Didn't you hear? They were "looking ahead" to the Yanks series. IMHO What they need is a take charge , kick ass manager like Lou. Willie's so darn laid back. The team is under performimg. Willie Randolph talked with WFAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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