DaBrick Wall Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 It looks like Joba Chamberlain is at least headed to the disabled list. The Yankees have recalled pitcher Chris Britton from Triple-A, despite the fact he was sent down less than 10 days ago. A player cannot be recalled after a demotion before 10 days have passed, unless his team needs him to replace an injured player. With no other Yankees pitcher revealed to be injured right now, it seems Chamberlain, who is in Pensacola, Fla., today having his right shoulder examined by Dr. James Andrews, is bound for the DL. A diagnosis from Andrews likely would determine how much time the 22-year-old would miss, and if surgery is required. Britton pitched three innings for the Yankees on July 31 and was sent down to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre the next day, Aug. 1. He likely would pitch out of the bullpen, which means the Yankees would need to make another recall to take Chamberlain's spot in the rotation. Ian Kennedy is a possibility. Chamberlain was removed after 4 2/3 innings of Monday's game in Texas. After that game, Joe Girardi said he thought Chamberlain might miss one start, but did not think the injury was serious based on how the righty had maintained his velocity. Chamberlain was dispatched to New York on Tuesday to undergo an MRI exam. The result showed a significant enough problem for the Yankees to send Chamberlain and the MRI results to Pensacola to see Andrews. It was an ominous sign considering teams usually send players to Andrews for second opinions only when they have a concern from their initial diagnosis. The loss of Chamberlain for any length is a blow because he was emerging as a top-of-the-rotation force. He was 4-3 with a 2.63 ERA. Even with his poor outing Monday, Chamberlain was 3-1 in 12 starts with a 2.76 ERA. Additional reporting by Joel Sherman http://www.nypost.com/seven/08062008/sports/yankees/yankees_move_could_mean_joba_headed_to_d_123288.htm This season blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 That would be a real shame. No one likes to see potential game changing players get hurt. You have to hope he is only shut down for this year. Somewhat reminiscent of Generation K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I think when you go and see Dr. Andrews for a second opinion then chances are the first diagnosis was not very good. Right now Chamberlain is THE LAST PERSON the Yanks can afford to lose especially at this time. Although if my memory serves me correctly didn't Wang spend quite a bit of time on the DL his rookie year with some arm issue. With rest though he was able to come back finish the season and pitch in the post season. The road to the post season gets tough by the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I think when you go and see Dr. Andrews for a second opinion then chances are the first diagnosis was not very good. Right now Chamberlain is THE LAST PERSON the Yanks can afford to lose especially at this time. Although if my memory serves me correctly didn't Wang spend quite a bit of time on the DL his rookie year with some arm issue. With rest though he was able to come back finish the season and pitch in the post season. The road to the post season gets tough by the minute. "Grabbing and popping" are not terms you like your pitcher related as to what he felt. The fact that his velocity was still up, may bode well. If the prognosis just happens to be rest, The Yankees should just shut him down, this year be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 We are fuxored. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 this sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 If he's out for a long time, that will be 4 starters who have missed significant time for the Yankees this year. There's just no way to recover from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 If he's out for a long time, that will be 4 starters who have missed significant time for the Yankees this year. There's just no way to recover from that. Explain that to the fools who throw the 250 million dollar payroll at us all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 :( NOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted August 6, 2008 Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 That would be a real shame. No one likes to see potential game changing players get hurt. You have to hope he is only shut down for this year. Somewhat reminiscent of Generation K. Classy post. It does remind me of Generation K. Something else popped into my mind when Hughes and Kennedy got hurt, and now it's revisited with Chamberlain. Why are all the young Yankee starters dropping like flies? Is it coincidence or just bad luck? Or is there something to be said of the conditioning and their training in the minors? You have to wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Terrible news. Can the Yankees revisit the whole "Rules" thing. I admire them for having a theory and sticking with it. But Hughes is on the D.L. non-stop, Kennedy has been hurt and now Joba seems seriously hurt. I am not saying that Yankees "rules" contributed. But they clearly don't seem to be working so I am not sure what the point is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted August 6, 2008 Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 Terrible news. Can the Yankees revisit the whole "Rules" thing. I admire them for having a theory and sticking with it. But Hughes is on the D.L. non-stop, Kennedy has been hurt and now Joba seems seriously hurt. I am not saying that Yankees "rules" contributed. But they clearly don't seem to be working so I am not sure what the point is. I think that was more for last year when he was in the bullpen. Once he became a starter this year, they usually let him go up to around 100 pitches and then took him out. There weren't really any "rules" with him when he became a starter other than the normal cautious attitude around 100 pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Classy post. It does remind me of Generation K. Something else popped into my mind when Hughes and Kennedy got hurt, and now it's revisited with Chamberlain. Why are all the young Yankee starters dropping like flies? Is it coincidence or just bad luck? Or is there something to be said of the conditioning and their training in the minors? You have to wonder... That is a very good question, and you just don't know any more. It becomes a chicken or the egg type of question- Do you protect young arms in the hope of keeping them healthy, or, are lessened workloads causing young arms to break down more frequently when they start to get pushed (pitch counts) for the first time at an older age? And I realize each case is different. I think you have to look at body types and pitching motions and predict who may be putting strain on their arms. Look at a kid like Billingley with the Dodgers, who has a "pear" shape (like Seaver was) to him and is so strong in lower body and his motion is smooth. Or even a Pelfrey who is big and will fill out and can seem to go into deeper counts and does not whip the arm. But then you look at a Lincecum, and wonder how his arm does not come flying off at the socket. The kid is just so limber. I don't think there is really any way to predict who may break down and what the break points are. It is differnt for everyone. I think I read that Don Suttonmissed one start in 23 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 The true extent of his injury is not out yet but I was reading there were concerns when he was drafted that other teams passed him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I think I read that Don Suttonmissed one start in 23 years. It was the PERM !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 And guys, I know I am the biggest Yankee detractor around, but you just do not root for these types of things. I remember how I felt when I realized that Doc Gooden was never going to reclaim what he had, and it just plain sucks. This is a totally different circumstance, and that makes it even more potentially hurtful. All of that said, hope for the best, as nothing is known right now. I porposely watched Joba in a couple of starts, and some relief appearances, as well his playoff appearances last year, and this is a kid who has it. A mound presence, an ability to spot a ball in location, and a pitcher's mindset. They don't come along often, so good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 The true extent of his injury is not out yet but I was reading there were concerns when he was drafted that other teams passed him up. That is some pretty easy piling on I think by other organizations now. Wasn't Joba a "signability" question, and he slipped to the Yankees as they were willing to pay the $$$$? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 And guys, I know I am the biggest Yankee detractor around, but you just do not root for these types of things. I remember how I felt when I realized that Doc Gooden was never going to reclaim what he had, and it just plain sucks. This is a totally different circumstance, and that makes it even more potentially hurtful. All of that said, hope for the best, as nothing is known right now. I porposely watched Joba in a couple of starts, and some relief appearances, as well his playoff appearances last year, and this is a kid who has it. A mound presence, an ability to spot a ball in location, and a pitcher's mindset. They don't come along often, so good luck. I was at Shea the night that Doc broke the record for strikeouts by a rookie. The guy was as filthy as any pithcer that has ever thrown in the major leagues. It was a shame to see where his talent went. He could've been one of the best in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 That is some pretty easy piling on I think by other organizations now. Wasn't Joba a "signability" question, and he slipped to the Yankees as they were willing to pay the $$$$? No I think there were concerns on how he would hold up physically-that being said I do not like to see any rising star like him or any one for that matter have a injury. A good young person like him and his story is what baseball needs more of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted August 6, 2008 Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 The true extent of his injury is not out yet but I was reading there were concerns when he was drafted that other teams passed him up. He had had triceps tendinitis in his last season in college. That made some teams pass as well as signability issues, I believe. Nothing to do with his shoulder, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted August 6, 2008 Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 That is a very good question, and you just don't know any more. It becomes a chicken or the egg type of question- Do you protect young arms in the hope of keeping them healthy, or, are lessened workloads causing young arms to break down more frequently when they start to get pushed (pitch counts) for the first time at an older age? And I realize each case is different. I think you have to look at body types and pitching motions and predict who may be putting strain on their arms. Look at a kid like Billingley with the Dodgers, who has a "pear" shape (like Seaver was) to him and is so strong in lower body and his motion is smooth. Or even a Pelfrey who is big and will fill out and can seem to go into deeper counts and does not whip the arm. But then you look at a Lincecum, and wonder how his arm does not come flying off at the socket. The kid is just so limber. I don't think there is really any way to predict who may break down and what the break points are. It is differnt for everyone. I think I read that Don Suttonmissed one start in 23 years. Yeah, I think that about sums it up. The thing I never liked about Joba's motion was that it was so violent on his arm--the guy has some of the most ridiculous arm speed I've ever seen--but he doesn't have much follow through. They should work on that, but it's hard to change the way someone pitches when they're dominating so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Some more good news Chien-Ming Wang was examined by the foot specialist again yesterday. Some of the Taiwanese media spoke to him afterward. Here is what they found out: Wang will remain on crutches and in the large brace he has been wearing. But he can put a little more weight on his foot. He also picked up the customized cushioned insole to wear in his shoe. Wang told them that he’s feeling great and there’s no pain at all. His only complaint is that his left leg is so much bigger than than the right one. It’s Aug. 6 and he’s on crutches and hasn’t picked up a baseball since June 12. The next time you see the Wanger will be in spring training. That’s evident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I hope it isn't something completely horrible for him, although his mechanics are such that his arm motion is very violent. Andy and Moose have to step up even more now. I imagine Kennedy will be up soon then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Kennedy Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Loss Saturday Fixed I have seen 8 year olds on a little league field with more heart and guts than Kennedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Fixed I have seen 8 year olds on a little league field with more heart and guts than Kennedy. The samecould have been said about Pelfrey on the better portion of his career, until the last 3 months. You just can't give up on young, talented pitching. Sometimes it just takes a bit to "click" and get it. I never thought that I would say Pelfrey is a confident force on the staff. Or that he leads the Mets in wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Freaking Jeff Karstens currently has a No hitter/perfect game going on in Arizona... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted August 6, 2008 Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 The samecould have been said about Pelfrey on the better portion of his career, until the last 3 months. You just can't give up on young, talented pitching. Sometimes it just takes a bit to "click" and get it. I never thought that I would say Pelfrey is a confident force on the staff. Or that he leads the Mets in wins. Never underestimate their judgment of a player off a month's worth of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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