Vudu Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 LB Patrick Willis, the bastard that almost broke Brad SMith's back on sunday was not fined. Wtfxup with that BullSh!t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan1015 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 He is a star in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I don't think that he should have been fined. Sure Willis tried to kill Smith, but I expect that with almost any football hit. I don't think he intended to lead with his head and it was only so bad because of the DB getting Smith from the back. Sort of like the Smith hit on Bolden. I'm not really sure Smith should have been fined either. I find it hard to get all angry at guys for hits that were 100% legal when I was growing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkid94 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 what was dirty about the hit? smith had the ball and willis hit him hard. what made it worse was smith hit the defender on the ground so thats what made smith almost mess up his back, basicalls a freak situation. willis did nothing wrong IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan1015 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I don't think that he should have been fined. Sure Willis tried to kill Smith, but I expect that with almost any football hit. I don't think he intended to lead with his head and it was only so bad because of the DB getting Smith from the back. Sort of like the Smith hit on Bolden. I'm not really sure Smith should have been fined either. I find it hard to get all angry at guys for hits that were 100% legal when I was growing up. I agree that it was not a dirty hit and do not think it should be fined but Goddell has set already set the standard that helmet to helmet hits will be fined and has also stated that intent has no bearing on the fine. Since it was clearly helmet to helmet contact and a player has a concussion from the hit, then based off prior fines handed out, it should have been a fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I don't think that he should have been fined. Sure Willis tried to kill Smith, but I expect that with almost any football hit. I don't think he intended to lead with his head and it was only so bad because of the DB getting Smith from the back. Sort of like the Smith hit on Bolden. I'm not really sure Smith should have been fined either. I find it hard to get all angry at guys for hits that were 100% legal when I was growing up. I'd like some parity for the NFL, though. If he's going to suspend and fine Smith for a hit leading with his helmet, although accidentally, Goodell should be calling all similar hits the same. I'd rather calling no fines for either, but if you call one, call both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 It was just as clean as the Eric Smith hit... NFL is all over the map... either your going to fine for helmet to helmet or your not... I understand he didnt mean it but most players dont and they fine them regardless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Consistency, just give us consistency for god's sake. It seems as if Goodell is making it up as he goes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Consistency, just give us consistency for god's sake. It seems as if Goodell is making it up as he goes along. If it was a star WR that took the hit (like Boldin) he would have been fined... it was Brad Smtih... so he doesnt give a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I agree that it was not a dirty hit and do not think it should be fined but Goddell has set already set the standard that helmet to helmet hits will be fined and has also stated that intent has no bearing on the fine. Since it was clearly helmet to helmet contact and a player has a concussion from the hit, then based off prior fines handed out, it should have been a fine. I'd like some parity for the NFL, though. If he's going to suspend and fine Smith for a hit leading with his helmet, although accidentally, Goodell should be calling all similar hits the same. I'd rather calling no fines for either, but if you call one, call both. It was just as clean as the Eric Smith hit... NFL is all over the map... either your going to fine for helmet to helmet or your not... I understand he didnt mean it but most players dont and they fine them regardless... I agree with all of these points. Considering some of the other bull**** fines handed down the last couple of years this deserved a bull**** fine. OTOH, I don't have anything against Willis. I hate way they run the NFL, particularly the no fun league legislation, and general pussification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I agree that it was not a dirty hit and do not think it should be fined but Goddell has set already set the standard that helmet to helmet hits will be fined and has also stated that intent has no bearing on the fine. Since it was clearly helmet to helmet contact and a player has a concussion from the hit, then based off prior fines handed out, it should have been a fine. That's why, each week, there is mounting evidence that the NFL--"led" by the arbitrary whimsy of the fraud Goddell--intentionally alter scores by instructing their referees to call games tighter for certain teams. You can bet the house that if a Jet had made that hit, he would have been flagged and, definitely, fined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 It was just as clean as the Eric Smith hit... NFL is all over the map... either your going to fine for helmet to helmet or your not... I understand he didnt mean it but most players dont and they fine them regardless... He hit Smith with his shoulder. Smith was the reason there was any helmet to helmet contact http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEr1GGYpl7Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 He hit Smith with his shoulder. Smith was the reason there was any helmet to helmet contact http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEr1GGYpl7Q And Eric Smith was aiming for Boldin with his shoulder and Boldin was knocked into the path of SMiths helmet JUST like what happened to Brad Smith... Brad Smith tried to avoid the Helmet but got forced into it... It is almost the exact same thing... just not on a star WR and Brad Smith popped back up for a second... if he stayed down and got carted off it would have been a fine... The NFL needs to just be more fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Its a legal hit, thats why. Why should you be fined for a legal hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 What was wrong with the hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Its a legal hit, thats why. Why should you be fined for a legal hit? Ask Eric Smith, Im sure Goodell gave him a bogus explanation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 What was wrong with the hit? Nothing at all, but half the fines this year have been handed out for the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Ask Eric Smith, Im sure Goodell gave him a bogus explanation... Eric Smith ended up hitting Boldin in the helmet with his helmet which is illegal. Its not rocket science people. Yes the majority of it was on the shoulder, but some of his helmet was on Boldin's. Case closed. Illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 He hit Smith with his shoulder. Smith was the reason there was any helmet to helmet contact http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEr1GGYpl7Q When did helmet to helmet even become an issue? I mean, it is football, and theres a reason they wear helmets. Helmet to helmet hits are going to happen, and this sudden notion that its a "dirty" hit is absurd. Helmet to helmet shouldnt be considered dirty unless someone is spearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Eric Smith ended up hitting Boldin in the helmet with his helmet which is illegal. Its not rocket science people. Yes the majority of it was on the shoulder, but some of his helmet was on Boldin's. Case closed. Illegal. Willis wound up hitting smith in the helmet with his helmet too... its not rocket science... but the NFL plays favorites... hell if that was Cotch Willis gets fined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 And Eric Smith was aiming for Boldin with his shoulder and Boldin was knocked into the path of SMiths helmet JUST like what happened to Brad Smith... Brad Smith tried to avoid the Helmet but got forced into it... It is almost the exact same thing... just not on a star WR and Brad Smith popped back up for a second... if he stayed down and got carted off it would have been a fine... The NFL needs to just be more fair... Willis hit Smith with his shoulder. Smith led more with his head and then his shoulder. I think Smith got a little boned on the fine, but the hits are nowhere near the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Willis wound up hitting smith in the helmet with his helmet too... its not rocket science... but the NFL plays favorites... hell if that was Cotch Willis gets fined. Willis' helmet was not a direct force onto B.Smith's. E.Smith's onto Boldin's was. He was leading with his head, Willis wasn't. What don't you understand? By your logic it should be a fine if a player rolls over on top of another and their helmets clash. You are in the wrong here. Patrick Willis did not deserve to be fined. Eric Smith did, although the $50,000 was way too harsh, I will agree with you on that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Guys... are you blind? Willis hit Smith in the Helmet with his helmet... doesnt matter what he was leading with... his helmet hit Smiths Helmet... same exact thing that happened to Boldin... No two hits are the same... thats a given... both situations are the same though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Neither Eric Smith or Patrick Willis deserved to be fined, imo. Neither were dirty hits. Wanna see a helmet to helmet hit that was actually dirty. Look up when Bill Romonowski broke Kerry Collins jaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Neither Eric Smith or Patrick Willis deserved to be fined, imo. Neither were dirty hits. Wanna see a helmet to helmet hit that was actually dirty. Look up when Bill Romonowski broke Kerry Collins jaw. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Guys... are you blind? Willis hit Smith in the Helmet with his helmet... doesnt matter what he was leading with... his helmet hit Smiths Helmet... same exact thing that happened to Boldin... No two hits are the same... thats a given... both situations are the same though... Seriously, Smith hit Willis in Willis' earhole. Smith hit Boldin with the crown of his. Check YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan1015 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Willis' helmet was not a direct force onto B.Smith's. E.Smith's onto Boldin's was. He was leading with his head, Willis wasn't. What don't you understand? By your logic it should be a fine if a player rolls over on top of another and their helmets clash. You are in the wrong here. Patrick Willis did not deserve to be fined. Eric Smith did, although the $50,000 was way too harsh, I will agree with you on that point. The first things to come into contact with each other are Willis's helmet and Smith helmet. If that is not direct force I dont know what is. Here is a link with some great slo-mo shots of the hit. At about 35 sec it gives a great shot of the initial contact. Again I dont think it should be fined but if Smith gets fined then Willis should have been fined. http://sportscracklepop.com/2008/12/10/patrick-willis-hit-puts-brad-smith-in-an-akward-position/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Seriously, Smith hit Willis in Willis' earhole. Smith hit Boldin with the crown of his. Check YouTube. Take a step back for a moment... Goodell fines these guys for helmet to helmet contact to avoid head injuries... He fined Smith even though he did not intentionally hit Boldin helmet to helmet because it was a dangerous hit that caused an injury. He did not fine willis for the same thing... In Goodells eyes ti doesnt matter how or where you make the contact.... look at his history of fines for helmet to helmet... He is clearly cherry picking who he fines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Take a step back for a moment... Goodell fines these guys for helmet to helmet contact to avoid head injuries... He fined Smith even though he did not intentionally hit Boldin helmet to helmet because it was a dangerous hit that caused an injury. He did not fine willis for the same thing... In Goodells eyes ti doesnt matter how or where you make the contact.... look at his history of fines for helmet to helmet... He is clearly cherry picking who he fines... It is not the same thing. Willis' case is more incidental contact. Smith launched himself into Blodin. Again, Smith's helmet came in contact with Willis' earhole. Not exactly launching and leading with a helemt. Willis barely moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 You guys are retarded. You cant fine one player for a hit and totally ignore another brutal hit. If Brad Smith was Terrell Owens or one of the Superstar WR's, WIllis wouldve been fined. I agree that there shouldve been no fine for Eric Smith, or the majority of the hits, but you can't play favorites. You cannot fine one player and not fine the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 You guys are retarded. You cant fine one player for a hit and totally ignore another brutal hit. If Brad Smith was Terrell Owens or one of the Superstar WR's, WIllis wouldve been fined. I agree that there shouldve been no fine for Eric Smith, or the majority of the hits, but you can't play favorites. You cannot fine one player and not fine the other. Correct. Thank you, Bronzey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I don't think that he should have been fined. Sure Willis tried to kill Smith, but I expect that with almost any football hit. I don't think he intended to lead with his head and it was only so bad because of the DB getting Smith from the back. Sort of like the Smith hit on Bolden. I'm not really sure Smith should have been fined either. I find it hard to get all angry at guys for hits that were 100% legal when I was growing up. Smith actually pushed into Bolden and he should not have been fined either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 You guys are retarded. You cant fine one player for a hit and totally ignore another brutal hit. If Brad Smith was Terrell Owens or one of the Superstar WR's, WIllis wouldve been fined. I agree that there shouldve been no fine for Eric Smith, or the majority of the hits, but you can't play favorites. You cannot fine one player and not fine the other. Putting everything in bold does not make your argument. Try CAPSLOCK. Smith launched himself and led with his helmet. Willis did not do that. Christ Welker took a harder hit then Smith and there was no fine for that because neither led with the helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 Putting everything in bold does not make your argument. Try CAPSLOCK. Smith launched himself and led with his helmet. Willis did not do that. Christ Welker took a harder hit then Smith and there was no fine for that because neither led with the helmet. The Welker hit wasnt helmet to helmet contact, the BRad Smith hit was. Ryan Clark hit him with his shoulder pad not his helmet. You cannot compare the two. BTW, the bold doesnt mean im angry, and Im not trying to make an argument with it, it's just the way I post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Putting everything in bold does not make your argument. Try CAPSLOCK. Smith launched himself and led with his helmet. Willis did not do that. Christ Welker took a harder hit then Smith and there was no fine for that because neither led with the helmet. Thats just her font smart guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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