operaguy Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Recently read that Vinny is training a late round prospect: 10. Vinny the teacher: Old friend Vinny Testaverde, an instructor at the IMG Academy in Bradenton, Florida, is tutoring East Carolina quarterback Shane Carden, a late-round prospect. Testaverde is helping him with some mechanical flaws in his delivery. If he can clean that up, he might have a chance because scouts rave about his intangibles. see: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/50158/sunday-notes-conflicting-signals-on-jets-qb-situation Then read up on him a bit more: For the past few months, questions surrounding Shane Carden’s NFL potential have swirled around him like stripes on a candy cane. On Thursday, the former Pirates quarterback got a chance to answer some of them during East Carolina’s pro day. Carden, who threw for 4,736 yards and 30 touchdowns to be named the ACC Offensive Player of the Year in 2014, acknowledged he had a lot to prove to the 32 NFL teams that were represented on Thursday. “I just wanted to show that I’m a thrower,” Carden said. “I can drop under center. I can adapt. I can change. I’ve had two quarterback coaches with two different styles since the combine. I’ve been working with a quarterback coach who has been teaching me new things and changing my motion a little bit, which is hard for any type of thrower, whether it be baseball or football or anything.” After last season, Carden began training with former Heisman-winning quarterback Chris Weinke, until he was hired by the St. Louis Rams to be their quarterbacks coach. Carden then turned to another former Heisman-winning passer, Vinny Testaverde, who immediately began to tinker with Carden’s mechanics. “It all starts from the ground up, and if your feet aren’t in the right place and in the right position, it’s hard to be accurate,” Testaverde said. “You can get away with it, especially in college, but once you’re at the next level, there are some very tight windows. You have to be very accurate. “When I first saw (Carden), I said, ‘It looks like you’re almost trying to throw a javelin; you got that left arm pointing straight out.’ But, when you see him today, it’s a different guy. If you didn’t know it was Shane Carden, you would never guess that it is.” At least one AFC scout agreed. Speaking off the record, the scout said he noticed Carden had more of an over-the-top delivery, though he did say that at times, Carden reverted back to his old habits. Carden, who had to wait nearly two hours to throw because of a rain delay, felt positive about his performance. “I thought it went good,” Carden said. “There were some conditions we couldn’t control. There were some deep balls that just weren’t connecting. … But, overall I thought I did a good job.” Former ECU wide receiver Justin Hardy, who like Carden also got an invite to the NFL Combine, said the changes in Carden’s delivery were noticeable. “Oh, definitely,” Hardy said. “Once you get with a guy like Testaverde, he’s going to teach you everything. You could see the difference on his drop-backs, how the ball releases from his hands and all of those things. … He’s definitely more over the top. His release point is different.” Hardy, like Carden, came to ECU’s pro day looking to prove a thing or two to NFL scouts. For the 5-foot-10, 192-pound wideout who rose from walk-on status to become the leading receiver in FBS history, his hands were never really in question, but his speed was. Hardy, a 2014 All-ACC first-teamer, ran a 4.56 40-yard dash at the combine and on Thursday felt he improved his time. “I wanted to show that I could run a faster 40, and I feel that I did. Somebody today told me they clocked me at 4.4,” Hardy said. “(Speed) was one of the main things I wanted to prove.” The duo will find out just how well they answered questions about their game on April 30, when the NFL Draft begins. East Carolina See, http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/aac/east-carolina-university/article16436573.html Anyone that watched ECU have thoughts on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operaguy Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Please delete, somehow my thread was posted twice. Apologies for difficulties involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Nope. A pop gun arm system QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operaguy Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Nope. A pop gun arm system QB. By that you are saying the guy was in the shotgun all the time and played in one of those college systems that doesn't translate to the NFL right? Any chance he has physical gifts for the game or is that largely ruled out by majority of people following draft / college football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Is he color deficient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Watched a bunch of film on him but was watching to see WR Cam Worthy. I remember thinking he looked like a late rounder. Mechanics looked a little sloppy but threw the ball fairly well on the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Watched a bunch of film on him but was watching to see WR Cam Worthy. I remember thinking he looked like a late rounder. Mechanics looked a little sloppy but threw the ball fairly well on the run. Sounds like he has mechanical flaws but pretty good intangibles. Late rounder for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Weak arm. Will have trouble making NFL throws. Really not worth a draft pick ala Greg McElroy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Weak arm. Will have trouble making NFL throws. Really not worth a draft pick ala Greg McElroy. That's the deciding factor for me with these type of guys. If you hear weak arm and bad mechanics why even bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 " Any Thoughts on Shane Carden ? ".. https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608030613577337129&pid=15.1&P=0 ...he's kinda cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 This guy lacks the physical ability to play in the NFL. Drafting him is a waste. Late round projects should be players who have the ability, but are raw. The late round QB we should be looking at is Brandon Bridge. Great arm and elusive, but needs to develop better footwork and accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I'm an ECU fan and season ticket holder -- watched literally every snap he's taken in college, so here's my input... His intangibles...off the charts. Crazy smart, actually had an academic scholarship to Harvard but chose ECU for football reasons. His play certainly does elevate in clutch moments and despite what you saw at the combine he is above average from an accuracy standpoint. He also had a piss poor line for most of his career, to be fair. Those are basically it for the positives, though... Below average arm strength, no experience in a pro system (he can learn, that's not the issue -- it's never seeing him under center), struggles against top notch corners/defensive schemes and probably most of all he has been able to throw to at least two NFL calibur WRs in Hardy and Worthy. Isaiah Jones may end up being a pro as well. It kind of reminds me of the excitement regarding Manziels performance when it looks like maybe Mike Evans had a lot to do with that. Shane will be a great coach some day, he understands the game and sees it on a different level. He just doesn't have the physical tools to get it done. Poor mans Chad Pennington (pre-injuries) at best, much as that pains me to say. If you want a competent game manager as a backup, with MAYBE the upside of being the 15-20th best QB in the league with a solid team around him...sure. Don't draft him expecting to find the next Tom Brady, though. And fwiw, our offense with taller targets as opposed to speed guys would be the best fit for him. If we draft him, I'm going to go all homer and predict he win us a Super Bowl. But I think it's better for him and the Jets both if he goes elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Watched a bunch of film on him but was watching to see WR Cam Worthy. I remember thinking he looked like a late rounder. Mechanics looked a little sloppy but threw the ball fairly well on the run. Cam is going to be a great gem for someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 This guy lacks the physical ability to play in the NFL. Drafting him is a waste. Late round projects should be players who have the ability, but are raw. The late round QB we should be looking at is Brandon Bridge. Great arm and elusive, but needs to develop better footwork and accuracy. Yes, you don't draft a QB - in any round - to be a permanent back up. If he doesn't have NFL arm strength there's simply no point in wasting a pick on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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