Bugg Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 The bodies continue to pile up. Pennington gets added tomorrow. When does someone up top ask how it is it's always someone else, not Edwards? Bradway signed Fiedler EXACTLY in case Pennintgon wasn't ready, and he wasn't. But Edwards cannot play some backup. He has to do it his way. ANd when it blows up, the Herm sycophants in the press start spreading this "Penny told us he could play" crap. Penny cannot have won; either he's not man enough to play or he gets hurt and gets this whispering campaign by the "class act" Herm Edwards. Read all about it tommorrow. Heck, butt kisser zero jackoff Boomer Esiason decided to beat the holiday rush and start beating up Pennington tonight. To the press, access means you're a good guy. The fact that you ahve no idea what it means to be a HC is irrelevant. If Pennington's career is in fact over, I hope he sues the balls off these a-holes. Herm Edwards-what a leader. What a total POS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 NO WAY Edwards survives this debacle. NO WAY. A TOTAL waste of five years. What has been accomplished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I guess all those DRs, staff, personnel, trainers and others were all on the line as well. I know everyone is down in the dumps, but that injury could have happened in a year or two years. It doesn't matter how long he was recovering. Time to move on kids. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 Anyone with functioning eyeballs and grey matter( a big if with the Master Motivator) KNEW Pennington wasn't right. He looked exactly as he did when he got clobbered in Buffalo last season from the Jints preseason game on. Bradway signed Fiedler exactly in case this happened. Edwards however thought he had to play Pennington and then puts it all on "ask Chad how his shoulder feels" Pennington. WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT A COACH'S SON LIKE PENNINGTON TO SAY? Of course he's going to want to play. A real coach sees the situation as it is. Not Hermie. But hey, to apologists for Edwards like BZ, nothing is ever his fault. NOTHING. He's responsible for nothing. Now you want to talk about doctors and trainers. UNDER THE BUS WITH YOU GUYS TOO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 Hofstra's starting to look like "Goodfellas" after the Lufhtansa heist. My money's on D!ckie Curl to end up frozen in a meat packing trailer. Not only Pennington gets added to day, but now the training and medical staffs go under the bus by Hermie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Hofstra's starting to look like "Goodfellas" after the Lufhtansa heist. My money's on D!ckie Curl to end up frozen in a meat packing trailer. Not only Pennington gets added to day, but now the training and medical staffs go under the bus by Hermie. So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 After that 6-10 debacle in '03, there was no way Herm was going to bench his meal ticket and risk not making the playoffs in '04. For the last 6 weeks of last season, Herm got behind the podium and obfuscated, and out and out lied about the severity of Chad's injury. Now, some of you will sit here and say "Herm had no choice but to play Chad" because Quincy Carter quit the team. All I can say to that is if Herm didn't throw Quincy under the bus after the Ravens game, I am convinced the guy would not have gone off the deep end. As far as Chad waiting until February to go under the knife, thus delaying his inevitable recovery, I can't really comment. I don't know the legalities of it, or whether management had much say in the matter. I do know that management set a precedent when they let Santana Moss dictate to them his surgery and recovery timetable back in 2001, when the seat behind Bradways desk wasn't even warm yet. All in all, looking at the big picture, this isn't "bad luck". I'm so sick of Jets fans who hold on to the idea that this franchise is "cursed". We're not cursed. We just reapeatedly get saddlebagged with bad management. Thats all it is. Bad management, poor decisions etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 We're not cursed. We just reapeatedly get teabagged with bad management. There, fixed that for ya, JM :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 My fear is that Herm uses this whole thing to say "We coulda won it all, but that QB situation was too much to overcome, but wait until next year" The SOB is going to get a 'get out of jail free' card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 If Herm wins it all this year with the Jets would that make him a good coach? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 If Herm wins it all this year with the Jets would that make him a good coach? Just curious. Well yeah... If he manages to get into the playoffs with this team, it would be a great coaching job. If he wins the Super Bowl? We'd be wondering who he paid off. Why not? We question it when the Pats win (with all their crazy circumstances). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 If Herm wins it all this year with the Jets would that make him a good coach? Just curious. I am not one of the resident Herm bashers, but the handling of Pennington is inexcusable and Herm, Bradway and the medical staff need to be held accountable. It was obvious from the start that Pennington was not fully healed no matter what he said publicly. This is gross mismanagement, just plain negligence that may have cost Chad his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Just curious-Does thsi mean that the "Chad sucks" taunts were unwarranted, OR were they warranted WITH a Herm is an idiot mantra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 It was obvious from the start that Pennington was not fully healed no matter what he said publicly. This is gross mismanagement, just plain negligence that may have cost Chad his career. This is exactly why Hermy is responsible. He should have known from Training Camp PennyBoy was not ready to go. He should have put him on the PUP list and let him come back for game 7. Instead, he ruined a career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 This is exactly why Hermy is responsible. He should have known from Training Camp PennyBoy was not ready to go. He should have put him on the PUP list and let him come back for game 7. Instead, he ruined a career. Ok, so the list is: Herm: - Ruined Chad's career' - Cost us this season - Wasted the last 5 years of the Jets - Blown every draft - Is the biggest idiot head coach in the league Anything else? BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Ok, so the list is: Herm: - Ruined Chad's career' - Cost us this season - Wasted the last 5 years of the Jets - Blown every draft - Is the biggest idiot head coach in the league Anything else? BZ No, you summed that up very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#90 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 For the first time, I agree with a Pats fan!? Pat TX hit it right the nail right on the head. Chad was NOT ready to start the season and should have been on the PUP list until he was 100%! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekjustin Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 If Herm wins it all this year with the Jets would that make him a good coach? Just curious. No... if the Jets win this season it would be squarely on Henderson If Bollinger comes in and is able to put together any kind of offensive production, which I would think would at least entail Blaylock getting a bit more than 2 carries a game, then why couldn't they win as a defensive team? They could've won last week with absolutely no offense whatsoever. The Jets putting together a decent rest of the season doesn't seem to be impossible, but that won't make Herm any less of a horrible coach. He just ruined pennington's career, and he is wasting a good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 This is exactly why Hermy is responsible. He should have known from Training Camp PennyBoy was not ready to go. He should have put him on the PUP list and let him come back for game 7. Instead, he ruined a career. That is an unfair comment-at least at this point. Medical staff and doctors' USUALLY have the bulk of say as to if a player is ready to go or not. That is where coaches USUALLY get their infor from and I am willing to bet, heed that advice. What we do not know YET: -What wqas the advice given by teh medical staff. -When did the injury occur-Was it the first time in teh game, or was it exacerbated by playing more? -What were the chances of teh inijury re-occuring by playing immediately at this stage of teh re-hab? Without those answers, and who knows if they ever will come clearly, we are shooting darts at a moving board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 That is an unfair comment-at least at this point. Medical staff and doctors' USUALLY have the bulk of say as to if a player is ready to go or not. That is where coaches USUALLY get their infor from and I am willing to bet, heed that advice. What we do not know YET: -What wqas the advice given by teh medical staff. -When did the injury occur-Was it the first time in teh game, or was it exacerbated by playing more? -What were the chances of teh inijury re-occuring by playing immediately at this stage of teh re-hab? Without those answers, and who knows if they ever will come clearly, we are shooting darts at a moving board I really don't care what doctor's or medical staff had to say, Hermy should have seen things with his own eyes. Hermy should have known that he was not able to perform 100% of his football responsibilites. No way was PennyBoy ready to fully go at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 For all you Herm Edwards boosters - now is the time to see of those tremendous "motivation" skills are as important as you all seem to think. I'm curious to see how hard the team plays - not this week, or the week after, but week 7, 8, 9..... And, there is a very good chance the Jets will be victorious this weekend. Bollinger is an unknown and and can't be worse than Baltimore's QB. Who is it now anyway, Wright? Snooze-fest. Jets: 6 Baltimore: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Just to let all you Herm supporters know. Tim Couch had the same surgery a longer time ago than Chad did and still can not catch onto a team because his arm is still not strong enough. Also it takes pitchers about 1 year from the date of the surgery before they start pitching to live batters and even then thier pitch count is watched closely. Tx is 100% correct Penny should have been on the PUP list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Snooze-fest. Jets: 6 Baltimore: 3 Garb, please try and be a little more sensitive to Jet fans today. Saying that their wasted 2nd round draft pick will miss an extra point is pretty cruel in light of the circumstances. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 After that 6-10 debacle in '03, there was no way Herm was going to bench his meal ticket and risk not making the playoffs in '04. For the last 6 weeks of last season, Herm got behind the podium and obfuscated, and out and out lied about the severity of Chad's injury. Now, some of you will sit here and say "Herm had no choice but to play Chad" because Quincy Carter quit the team. All I can say to that is if Herm didn't throw Quincy under the bus after the Ravens game, I am convinced the guy would not have gone off the deep end. As far as Chad waiting until February to go under the knife, thus delaying his inevitable recovery, I can't really comment. I don't know the legalities of it, or whether management had much say in the matter. I do know that management set a precedent when they let Santana Moss dictate to them his surgery and recovery timetable back in 2001, when the seat behind Bradways desk wasn't even warm yet. All in all, looking at the big picture, this isn't "bad luck". I'm so sick of Jets fans who hold on to the idea that this franchise is "cursed". We're not cursed. We just reapeatedly get saddlebagged with bad management. Thats all it is. Bad management, poor decisions etc. Your exactly right Jetmo..We saw what a good HC could do when Tuna came in and took a 1-15 to 9-7 his first year and the Championship Game at 12-4 in year 2.. Yet Jet fans praise Hermie for a 9-7 east championship that we wouldn't have won if the Pats would have quit against Miami! JetFans think being a Fan is Apologizing for the Teams Bad management or Coaching! And if a star player fails Blame the O-line! There's nothing wrong with the Team that a "Real" HC couldn't fix..But too many are in love with the Flim Flam man!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gg Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Garb, please try and be a little more sensitive to Jet fans today. Saying that their wasted 2nd round draft pick will miss an extra point is pretty cruel in light of the circumstances. :wink: i think she meant 3 safeties... get a clue, numbnut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I really don't care what doctor's or medical staff had to say, Hermy should have seen things with his own eyes. Hermy should have known that he was not able to perform 100% of his football responsibilites. No way was PennyBoy ready to fully go at the start of the season. TX, that is a whole different thing. There are 2 points to this: Were the Jets aware that playing Chad was risking ANY further injury. That is a whole different point than: Was Chad able to perform at the level he needed to. Those 2 points are not necessarily intertwined. There is a BIG difference. Weere the Jets aware that there could be a real risk to playing at this timne, OR was it a matter of "playing him into shape" None of us have the info to correctly process that right now. Playing Chad and knowing that you are at risk is a whole lot different than playing Chad and working him through re-hab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 TX, that is a whole different thing. There are 2 points to this: Were the Jets aware that playing Chad was risking ANY further injury. That is a whole different point than: Was Chad able to perform at the level he needed to. Those 2 points are not necessarily intertwined. There is a BIG difference. Weere the Jets aware that there could be a real risk to playing at this timne, OR was it a matter of "playing him into shape" None of us have the info to correctly process that right now. Playing Chad and knowing that you are at risk is a whole lot different than playing Chad and working him through re-hab Dierk, I do agree with you, two mutually exclusive situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GET 2 WORK HEWA Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 i think this team will still be in games because the defense is a very solid group, but it still will not be enough to win these games. the offense is gona struggle tremendously. the pass game will be non existant and that will make it that much tougher for Curtis to run the ball. the offense has to find a way to keep the defense off the field more than it did against the Jags sunday. i have a feeling this will be a long long season. PS- Way to go Herm... thanks for everything! :Cuss: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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