Plaxico getting MRI, won't play Monday

[rillo]

Didn't like this from the beginning, I hope he's ready to play week 1.

[JetsFanInDenver]

He was too much of a bitch to saty here for anything close to his worth.

What do you base that of ?

How do you know that as you say he was too much of a bitch to stay here for the same amount ?

Do you know the JETS even offered him a contract at that amount before he signed with the 49ers ?

[Smashmouth]

Holmes was heading for a 900 + yards 70 Catch 8td season last year if you average in the 4 games he missed. All his seasons except 1 were under 1000 yards. His average TD per season is 5 .....Explain to me how that translates into 10 mil per ? How can you say hes better than anyone on the list below ? They have just as much a chance to succeed as Santonio

That enough for you Klecko

1 Brandon Lloyd DEN WR 77 1,448 18.8 90.5 71 11 23 9 72 93.5 0

2 Roddy White ATL WR 115 1,389 12.1 86.8 46 10 15 3 73 63.5 1

3 Reggie Wayne IND WR 111 1,355 12.2 84.7 50 6 13 4 72 64.9 1

4 Greg Jennings GB WR 76 1,265 16.6 79.1 86T 12 21 6 52 68.4 2

5 Mike Wallace PIT WR 60 1,257 21.0 78.6 56T 10 26 10 48 80.0 1

6 Andre Johnson HOU WR 86 1,216 14.1 93.5 60 8 18 5 59 68.6 1

7 Dwayne Bowe KC WR 72 1,162 16.1 72.6 75T 15 19 4 55 76.4 1

8 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 90 1,137 12.6 71.1 41 6 14 1 59 65.6 0

9 Calvin Johnson DET WR 77 1,120 14.5 74.7 87T 12 16 3 57 74.0 1

10 Santana Moss WAS WR 93 1,115 12.0 69.7 56 6 9 3 61 65.6 3

11 Steve Johnson BUF WR 82 1,073 13.1 67.1 45 10 11 2 61 74.4 1

12 DeSean Jackson PHI WR 47 1,056 22.5 75.4 91T 6 21 8 33 70.2 2

13 Hakeem Nicks NYG WR 79 1,052 13.3 80.9 46T 11 20 1 55 69.6 1

14 Miles Austin DAL WR 69 1,041 15.1 65.1 69T 7 17 2 50 72.5 1

15 Marques Colston NO WR 84 1,023 12.2 68.2 43 7 12 1 57 67.9 0

16 Brandon Marshall MIA WR 86 1,014 11.8 72.4 46 3 9 2 57 66.3 2

17 Terrell Owens CIN WR 72 983 13.7 70.2 78T 9 15 3 47 65.3 0

18 Jeremy Maclin PHI WR 70 964 13.8 60.2 83T 10 13 4 45 64.3 1

19 Mike Williams TB WR 65 964 14.8 60.2 58T 11 18 2 44 67.7 3

[Klecko73isGod]

San Fran has Edwards,Ginn and Crabtree - all overrated underacheivers

New england has Welker and Ocho - Welker, seriously? and Ocho clearly lost a step last year

Tenn Britt - thug who will likely be suspended if he's not in prison by the end of the year

Vikings Harvin - is explosive but not consistent and could miss a game at any given moment due to migraines and bernard berrian is their #1

Nope.

[Vicious89x]

Mason is not better than Edwards.

That's your opinion.

To sum it up quickly, just about the only thing Edwards has over Mason is "yards" and this is something that is greatly overrated, and he literally only has 102 yards more than Mason and saw 1 more pass thrown his way. That's a long bomb. If you look further into the more metric stats, Mason is more productive with the ball in his hand than Edwards was.

Edwards saw 101 passes, Mason saw 100. Want to assume what the TD differential was?

Oh and this:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-08-10/san-francisco-49ers-training-camp-braylon-edwards-has-unknown-injury

[Vicious89x]

First of all its JetsFanInDenver.

And let me know what is beyond your understanding and I will clarify!

What is your point. Are you saying that we could've signed Braylon back for the price he got in San Fran. Is that your point.

[JiFtheOracle]

Holmes was heading for a 900 + yards 70 Catch 8td season last year if you average in the 4 games he missed. All his seasons except 1 were under 1000 yards. His average TD per season is 5 .....Explain to me how that translates into 10 mil per ? How can you say hes better than anyone on the list below ? They have just as much a chance to succeed as Santonio

That enough for you Klecko

1 Brandon Lloyd DEN WR 77 1,448 18.8 90.5 71 11 23 9 72 93.5 0

2 Roddy White ATL WR 115 1,389 12.1 86.8 46 10 15 3 73 63.5 1

3 Reggie Wayne IND WR 111 1,355 12.2 84.7 50 6 13 4 72 64.9 1

4 Greg Jennings GB WR 76 1,265 16.6 79.1 86T 12 21 6 52 68.4 2 5 Mike Wallace PIT WR 60 1,257 21.0 78.6 56T 10 26 10 48 80.0 1

6 Andre Johnson HOU WR 86 1,216 14.1 93.5 60 8 18 5 59 68.6 1

7 Dwayne Bowe KC WR 72 1,162 16.1 72.6 75T 15 19 4 55 76.4 1

8 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 90 1,137 12.6 71.1 41 6 14 1 59 65.6 0

9 Calvin Johnson DET WR 77 1,120 14.5 74.7 87T 12 16 3 57 74.0 1 10 Santana Moss WAS WR 93 1,115 12.0 69.7 56 6 9 3 61 65.6 3

11 Steve Johnson BUF WR 82 1,073 13.1 67.1 45 10 11 2 61 74.4 1

12 DeSean Jackson PHI WR 47 1,056 22.5 75.4 91T 6 21 8 33 70.2 2

13 Hakeem Nicks NYG WR 79 1,052 13.3 80.9 46T 11 20 1 55 69.6 1

14 Miles Austin DAL WR 69 1,041 15.1 65.1 69T 7 17 2 50 72.5 1

15 Marques Colston NO WR 84 1,023 12.2 68.2 43 7 12 1 57 67.9 0

16 Brandon Marshall MIA WR 86 1,014 11.8 72.4 46 3 9 2 57 66.3 2

17 Terrell Owens CIN WR 72 983 13.7 70.2 78T 9 15 3 47 65.3 0

18 Jeremy Maclin PHI WR 70 964 13.8 60.2 83T 10 13 4 45 64.3 1

19 Mike Williams TB WR 65 964 14.8 60.2 58T 11 18 2 44 67.7 3

Its very easy to say he's better than everyone on the list not highlighted.

[JetsFanInDenver]

I don't have to speculate an assault charge, a DUI, a mysterious late night one car accident, and a bar brawl. Most career drunks manage to keep their drinking hidden while destroying their lives. Braylon has many incidents out in the open. Ask any cop, he'll tell you that the guy he just ticketed for speeding got away with it 100 times before. Same -if not worse- with drinking incidents.

This guy's got a problem.

The whole league will often make the same mistake on a rookie coming in, it's far less common with a vet. The league knows something, dude. Acknowledge it.

Thats brings to my initial point how is it that a guy who spent 2 years in a jail in not toxic while a guy with DUI is untouchable.

And despite all his problems it was reported the JETS wanted to sign him!

Vernon Gholston drafted #6 overall, Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Everyone's a what if.

How could the entire league be wrong on this guy for the first five rounds ?

[THE ILK]

What do you base that of ?

How do you know that as you say he was too much of a bitch to stay here for the same amount ?

Do you know the JETS even offered him a contract at that amount before he signed with the 49ers ?

So you ignore the question you can't answer and ask another one.

Rex pleaded with him to accept a reasonable offer, he refused, and signed an unreasonable one in the wrong direction with San Fran.

How much more fail are you going to shoot for in this thread?

[visajets]

Holmes was heading for a 900 + yards 70 Catch 8td season last year if you average in the 4 games he missed. All his seasons except 1 were under 1000 yards. His average TD per season is 5 .....Explain to me how that translates into 10 mil per ? How can you say hes better than anyone on the list below ? They have just as much a chance to succeed as Santonio

That enough for you Klecko

1 Brandon Lloyd DEN WR 77 1,448 18.8 90.5 71 11 23 9 72 93.5 0

2 Roddy White ATL WR 115 1,389 12.1 86.8 46 10 15 3 73 63.5 1

3 Reggie Wayne IND WR 111 1,355 12.2 84.7 50 6 13 4 72 64.9 1

4 Greg Jennings GB WR 76 1,265 16.6 79.1 86T 12 21 6 52 68.4 2

5 Mike Wallace PIT WR 60 1,257 21.0 78.6 56T 10 26 10 48 80.0 1

6 Andre Johnson HOU WR 86 1,216 14.1 93.5 60 8 18 5 59 68.6 1

7 Dwayne Bowe KC WR 72 1,162 16.1 72.6 75T 15 19 4 55 76.4 1

8 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 90 1,137 12.6 71.1 41 6 14 1 59 65.6 0

9 Calvin Johnson DET WR 77 1,120 14.5 74.7 87T 12 16 3 57 74.0 1

10 Santana Moss WAS WR 93 1,115 12.0 69.7 56 6 9 3 61 65.6 3

11 Steve Johnson BUF WR 82 1,073 13.1 67.1 45 10 11 2 61 74.4 1

12 DeSean Jackson PHI WR 47 1,056 22.5 75.4 91T 6 21 8 33 70.2 2

13 Hakeem Nicks NYG WR 79 1,052 13.3 80.9 46T 11 20 1 55 69.6 1

14 Miles Austin DAL WR 69 1,041 15.1 65.1 69T 7 17 2 50 72.5 1

15 Marques Colston NO WR 84 1,023 12.2 68.2 43 7 12 1 57 67.9 0

16 Brandon Marshall MIA WR 86 1,014 11.8 72.4 46 3 9 2 57 66.3 2

17 Terrell Owens CIN WR 72 983 13.7 70.2 78T 9 15 3 47 65.3 0

18 Jeremy Maclin PHI WR 70 964 13.8 60.2 83T 10 13 4 45 64.3 1

19 Mike Williams TB WR 65 964 14.8 60.2 58T 11 18 2 44 67.7 3

Smashmouth squashes Klecko

[Gastineau Lives]

Holmes was heading for a 900 + yards 70 Catch 8td season last year if you average in the 4 games he missed. All his seasons except 1 were under 1000 yards. His average TD per season is 5 .....Explain to me how that translates into 10 mil per ? How can you say hes better than anyone on the list below ? They have just as much a chance to succeed as Santonio

That enough for you Klecko

1 Brandon Lloyd DEN WR 77 1,448 18.8 90.5 71 11 23 9 72 93.5 0

2 Roddy White ATL WR 115 1,389 12.1 86.8 46 10 15 3 73 63.5 1

3 Reggie Wayne IND WR 111 1,355 12.2 84.7 50 6 13 4 72 64.9 1

4 Greg Jennings GB WR 76 1,265 16.6 79.1 86T 12 21 6 52 68.4 2

5 Mike Wallace PIT WR 60 1,257 21.0 78.6 56T 10 26 10 48 80.0 1

6 Andre Johnson HOU WR 86 1,216 14.1 93.5 60 8 18 5 59 68.6 1

7 Dwayne Bowe KC WR 72 1,162 16.1 72.6 75T 15 19 4 55 76.4 1

8 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 90 1,137 12.6 71.1 41 6 14 1 59 65.6 0

9 Calvin Johnson DET WR 77 1,120 14.5 74.7 87T 12 16 3 57 74.0 1

10 Santana Moss WAS WR 93 1,115 12.0 69.7 56 6 9 3 61 65.6 3

11 Steve Johnson BUF WR 82 1,073 13.1 67.1 45 10 11 2 61 74.4 1

12 DeSean Jackson PHI WR 47 1,056 22.5 75.4 91T 6 21 8 33 70.2 2

13 Hakeem Nicks NYG WR 79 1,052 13.3 80.9 46T 11 20 1 55 69.6 1

14 Miles Austin DAL WR 69 1,041 15.1 65.1 69T 7 17 2 50 72.5 1

15 Marques Colston NO WR 84 1,023 12.2 68.2 43 7 12 1 57 67.9 0

16 Brandon Marshall MIA WR 86 1,014 11.8 72.4 46 3 9 2 57 66.3 2

17 Terrell Owens CIN WR 72 983 13.7 70.2 78T 9 15 3 47 65.3 0

18 Jeremy Maclin PHI WR 70 964 13.8 60.2 83T 10 13 4 45 64.3 1

19 Mike Williams TB WR 65 964 14.8 60.2 58T 11 18 2 44 67.7 3

A good percentage of these guys are either in pass-happy offenses or on teams that were not very good that were forced to throw more often. They were also the CLEAR number one receiver on their teams. I'm not trying to prove a point either way, just stating a fact. To compare their numbers to Santonio's from last year is a bit of a red-herring.

[visajets]

Maybe Rexs wife really wanted Holmes here

[Klecko73isGod]

Holmes was heading for a 900 + yards 70 Catch 8td season last year if you average in the 4 games he missed. All his seasons except 1 were under 1000 yards. His average TD per season is 5 .....Explain to me how that translates into 10 mil per ? How can you say hes better than anyone on the list below ? They have just as much a chance to succeed as Santonio

That enough for you Klecko

1 Brandon Lloyd DEN WR 77 1,448 18.8 90.5 71 11 23 9 72 93.5 0

2 Roddy White ATL WR 115 1,389 12.1 86.8 46 10 15 3 73 63.5 1

3 Reggie Wayne IND WR 111 1,355 12.2 84.7 50 6 13 4 72 64.9 1

4 Greg Jennings GB WR 76 1,265 16.6 79.1 86T 12 21 6 52 68.4 2

5 Mike Wallace PIT WR 60 1,257 21.0 78.6 56T 10 26 10 48 80.0 1

6 Andre Johnson HOU WR 86 1,216 14.1 93.5 60 8 18 5 59 68.6 1

7 Dwayne Bowe KC WR 72 1,162 16.1 72.6 75T 15 19 4 55 76.4 1

8 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 90 1,137 12.6 71.1 41 6 14 1 59 65.6 0

9 Calvin Johnson DET WR 77 1,120 14.5 74.7 87T 12 16 3 57 74.0 1

10 Santana Moss WAS WR 93 1,115 12.0 69.7 56 6 9 3 61 65.6 3

11 Steve Johnson BUF WR 82 1,073 13.1 67.1 45 10 11 2 61 74.4 1

12 DeSean Jackson PHI WR 47 1,056 22.5 75.4 91T 6 21 8 33 70.2 2

13 Hakeem Nicks NYG WR 79 1,052 13.3 80.9 46T 11 20 1 55 69.6 1

14 Miles Austin DAL WR 69 1,041 15.1 65.1 69T 7 17 2 50 72.5 1

15 Marques Colston NO WR 84 1,023 12.2 68.2 43 7 12 1 57 67.9 0

16 Brandon Marshall MIA WR 86 1,014 11.8 72.4 46 3 9 2 57 66.3 2

17 Terrell Owens CIN WR 72 983 13.7 70.2 78T 9 15 3 47 65.3 0

18 Jeremy Maclin PHI WR 70 964 13.8 60.2 83T 10 13 4 45 64.3 1

19 Mike Williams TB WR 65 964 14.8 60.2 58T 11 18 2 44 67.7 3

Brandon Lloyd is better than Santonio Holmes????!?!?

No need to look past that one name.

[SoFlaJets]

I asked Manish what the result was from the MRI and (as usual) he is the only beat reporter who takes the time to answer any of our questions on Twitter-he sends you a personal message reply and said this: "Not yet. I don't think it will show anything though. Really just think it's a sprain."

So climb down off the ledge all you doom and gloomers

[Klecko73isGod]

I asked Manish what the result was from the MRI and (as usual) he is the only beat reporter who takes the time to answer any of our questions on Twitter-he sends you a personal message reply and said this: "Not yet. I don't think it will show anything though. Really just think it's a sprain."

So climb down off the ledge all you doom and gloomers

It was stated earlier in the thread that Rex said if it was the regular season he'd be playing.

This has all been much ado about nothing.

[Smashmouth]

That's your opinion.

To sum it up quickly, just about the only thing Edwards has over Mason is "yards" and this is something that is greatly overrated, and he literally only has 102 yards more than Mason and saw 1 more pass thrown his way. That's a long bomb. If you look further into the more metric stats, Mason is more productive with the ball in his hand than Edwards was.

Edwards saw 101 passes, Mason saw 100. Want to assume what the TD differential was?

Oh and this:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-08-10/san-francisco-49ers-training-camp-braylon-edwards-has-unknown-injury

Did you not see that Mason had a huge drop off at the end of last season and was non existent in the playoffs. Please take age into consideration if you think having guys this old on your playoffs roster is good you have not been paying attention to the NFL and how older guys drop off in a big way come playoff time.

The jets needed to surround Sanchez with young WR's he could grow with and they did not . It was a huge mistake and it will show come playoff time. You forget how clutch Braylon was in the playoffs ? if Plax is hurting now expect him to be nicked up all season long which will take even more effect on him and if thats the case whos taking up the slack we lost with braylon ?

[Vicious89x]

Its very easy to say he's better than everyone on the list not highlighted.

The fact that BRANDON EFFING LLOYD is at the top of that list should say it all.

[T0mShane]

Jesus. Just imagine what this place would look like if, you know, something was actually wrong with Plaxico.

[JiFtheOracle]

Brandon Lloyd is better than Santonio Holmes????!?!?

No need to look past that one name.

Give me Santana Moss over Holmes any day of the week. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

Cant wait till Smash is our GM, he's got a brilliant Football mind. Him and Visa running the show = SUPER BOWL!!!

[visajets]

Insert Plaxico for Peace

[JiFtheOracle]

The fact that BRANDON EFFING LLOYD is at the top of that list should say it all.

AND HE'S 30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JetsFanInDenver]

So you ignore the question you can't answer and ask another one.

Nice try. You haven't answered the initial question. Keep dodging!

They were not wrong about his value as of right now.

Rex pleaded with him to accept a reasonable offer, he refused, and signed an unreasonable one in the wrong direction with San Fran.

Keep contradicting yourself. On one hand they were wrong about his value on other hand he took an unreanoable offer from the 49ers!

[JiFtheOracle]

Jesus. Just imagine what this place would look like if, you know, something was actually wrong with Plaxico.

What do you mean, there plenty wrong with him...he's 34 years old and he's going to miss a preseason game. You know who else is the 34 and missed a preseason game...TOM BRADY!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Vicious89x]

Did you not see that Mason had a huge drop off at the end of last season and was non existent in the playoffs. Please take age into consideration if you think having guys this old on your playoffs roster is good you have not been paying attention to the NFL and how older guys drop off in a big way come playoff time.

The jets needed to surround Sanchez with young WR's he could grow with and they did not . It was a huge mistake and it will show come playoff time. You forget how clutch Braylon was in the playoffs ? if Plax is hurting now expect him to be nicked up all season long which will take even more effect on him and if thats the case whos taking up the slack we lost with braylon ?

Oh. You mean like Keller (26) was completely worthless during the latter part of the season and playoffs?

I will trade in Plaxico hurt ALL SEASON if he can do for the Jets what he did for the Giants on that SB run. His game in GB was one of the greatest all-time for a WR.

[Smashmouth]

A good percentage of these guys are either in pass-happy offenses or on teams that were not very good that were forced to throw more often. They were also the CLEAR number one receiver on their teams. I'm not trying to prove a point either way, just stating a fact.

Well everyone on this forum is under the impression that Santonio is this clutch TD catching machine when they dont even know the guy averages 5 TD's a season. Everyone on that list Outplayed or out perfromed Santonio Holmes and yes some of those guys played for some horrible teams which makes their life even tougher. Im still waiting for a reason why we paid a guy who averages 60 catches 900 yards and 5 TD's the largest guaranteed contract of any WR and 10 mil per.

[Smashmouth]

Brandon Lloyd is better than Santonio Holmes????!?!?

No need to look past that one name.

And here is the typical stupidity you would expect . Like I said if Mason would have gone to any of our 3 division rivals this goof would have been the first one on the forums to Laugh out Loud. Im glad you have the green Glases Klecko, I do alot of the times as well .The one pet peeve i have with this organisation for the past 12 years and the 10 before we signed Keyshawn was the WR postion. Its a joke and its going to hurt the growth of our talented young QB.

[Vicious89x]

And here is the typical stupidity you would expect . Like I said if Mason would have gone to any of our 3 division rivals this goof would have been the first one on the forums to Laugh out Loud. Im glad you have the green Glases Klecko, I do alot of the times as well .The one pet peeve i have with this organisation for the past 12 years and the 10 before we signed Keyshawn was the WR postion. Its a joke and its going to hurt the growth of our talented young QB.

You seriously consider Brandon Lloyd better than Santonio Holmes.

[The Crusher]

T.O or Moss is awaiting a call from Rex...............I MISS BRAYLON EDWARDS DAMMIT

Just another blazing examples of why I choose Visa. Sign Randy = Superbowl.

[Smashmouth]

Its very easy to say he's better than everyone on the list not highlighted.

I would not say it was not possible because it is . I want to see it and I want to see consistency while your at it you can blod Dewayne Bowe and his 15 TD's and red zone presence.

[Gastineau Lives]

Well everyone on this forum is under the impression that Santonio is this clutch TD catching machine when they dont even know the guy averages 5 TD's a season. Everyone on that list Outplayed or out perfromed Santonio Holmes and yes some of those guys played for some horrible teams which makes their life even tougher. Im still waiting for a reason why we paid a guy who averages 60 catches 900 yards and 5 TD's the largest guaranteed contract of any WR and 10 mil per.

Because somebody else would have. And this board would have REALLY had something to complain about.

[slats]

Thats brings to my initial point how is it that a guy who spent 2 years in a jail in not toxic while a guy with DUI is untouchable.

And despite all his problems it was reported the JETS wanted to sign him!

I imagine he was significantly more sober than Edwards for those two years.

It's not just a DUI. It's an assault, a one car accident, and a bar brawl under investigation. He spent over a year with the Jets. They know what he was like day in and day out. They got to hear a lot of whispers about his habits, too. Information you are not privy to.

Whatever the "reports" might've been, Edwards signed for just a little bit over the league minimum. If the Jets really did want to sign him, they didn't want to sign him all that much.

Plaxico was pursued by other teams, Braylon was not. It's not just the Jets who passed on him, 30 other teams passed, too.

[Smashmouth]

You seriously consider Brandon Lloyd better than Santonio Holmes.

My point was hes laughing at a guy who had a much better year than Santonio has even sniffed. Why laugh like its some kind of joke ? What happens if lloyd throws up another 1500 yard season ? with 10 TD's ?

[Smashmouth]

Because somebody else would have. And this board would have REALLY had something to complain about.

Im not so sure someone else would have. he was a 7-8 mil per year guy not 10 mil with the top guaranteed money . I would have rather kept Braylon and signed Sidney Rice now think about that tandem for a second.

[JetsFanInDenver]

What is your point. Are you saying that we could've signed Braylon back for the price he got in San Fran. Is that your point.

What we know is the JETS wanted to sign him. And they ended up not only not getting the job done by signing him and ended up seeing him go to another team for a low price. That's a failure on FO's part. You don't hear that. But instead all we get is bunch of useless hypothetical speculation that in many cases is passed around as fact.

Things like 'He is toxic to the team, in the locker room'. If he is why were the JETS interested in the first place

Things like 'He is a bitch for not signing here for the same money'. How do we know there was an offer in place from the JETS ?

And to top that we signed a player with a lot more guaranteed money and that player has not stepped on a football field for what like 3 seasons and has 3 reps in all of training camp!

Let me know if you need any more clarity!

[THE ILK]

Jesus. Just imagine what this place would look like if, you know, something was actually wrong with Plaxico.

Yes, you would be joining in.