Was Aaron Maybin's season a fluke?

[#27TheDominator]

It's only an issue if you're expecting a star.

The Jets used Maybin correctly and put him in a position to succeed. That's a good thing. Hopefully they'll do the same next year. Not expecting a pro bowler.

Exactly. How long it took him is fairly irrelevant. The Jets 3rd down D had plenty of chances to get coverage sacks in 2009 and 2010 and didn't. Maybe was getting them. I'm not that concerned with why. Maybin has some special ability as a pass rusher. He has a lightning quick first step (certainly compared to any other Jet for the past five years) and good speed rush. Failure to push the pocket back probably cost him plenty as he was pushed wide. If the new guys can keep QBs from stepping up I would expect more damage, not less.

motor - check

speed - check

pass rush moves - ???

this is where a hire like Dunbar can pay huge dividends. Maybin got no reliable moves except the LT chop at the end. Adding 10 pounds of muscle is great but I'd rather see him in preseason using some tactics out there. his edge rush is deadly but he needs more than that to be a double digit sack guy

Not sure if Dunbar will be the reason. Remember that last year Mike Smith was his personal coach and said that he specifically limited Maybin's moves in order to concentrate on what he was good at. Smith said he planned to start unveiling more moves, one at a time, as Maybin got more comfortable.

[The Crusher]

IS he going to be a beast like some people in here seem to think ? No Way.

Will he get the occasional sack when lined up in the right situation ? probably.

Will he ever be a full time LB ? no way in hell. He is a decent situational pass rusher, as it stands right now. We will have to wait for this season to see what he really is.

Also there was no need to jump all over Matt because he brings up questions about this team. They are valid questiions that should be discussed on a football message board about your football team. To be honest if you cant deal with that then you should be the one looking for a different place to post not Matt.

Well said Smash.

Please disagree with people opinions and remember we are all jet fans and this board is meant for everyone to enjoy.

[flgreen]

I dont see it as negative nancyism its just football talk man. I think Maybin was a product of Rex's system and put in the right place at the right time he can be effective but keep in mind when his name started getting thrown around at the end of last season he was non existent in the last 4 games. Does that count for anything or were teams just taking notice ? He will never be a full time backer on this team or any other and you have to ask yourself do the Jets keep both him and Sapp ? I guess what Im saying is lets see if Maybin,, now on the radar of most teams we will play, can still keep up . If he does it will be wonderfull but the jury is still out IMHO

Why do you think he will never be a full time backer? He will probably come into camp at over 250. Scott right now is at 230. Davis is at 235..

I have my doubts if he can carry the 250, which will be a major mistake on the CS part. If he can carry it, the guy could be very good.

Even at 225-228 lasts year he was extremely effective. The guy has a very rare skill set. He had one of the quickest outside moves in the NFL. He also had the ability to stop on a dime, and reverse his field suddenly and catch the QB from behind if the QB didn't unload the ball the second Maybin ran by him. That is really rare. Most pass rushers once they are taken wide, stop, and hesitate, a lot just give up on the play. Maybin has great heart in that he played full speed until the whistle blows.

One of the reasons his production fell toward the end of the season was, as you said teams became aware of him. They started sending RB's over in his direction to chip him further outside, or prevent him from coming back and striping the ball from behind. I'm sure QB's were all made aware of him, and coached to get rid of the ball quickly if he was on the field. Even when they couldn't see him. Even thought he wasn't getting the big sack #'s at the end of the year, he was still chasing QB's and disrupting plays with his speed from behind.

Last year he was really the only pass rusher opponents had to be concerned about. That won't be the case this year. Hopefully.

Coples will be right next to him. Coples will draw a lot of attention. Not only that but the Jets have added Davis who will be used in 3rd down situations. In NCAA, he showed a very good ability to disrupt the QB, and, like Maybin plays very fast, and to the whistle. Not to mention that in his second year Wilkerson will be able to stop thinking, and just rush the passer. Which will cause the QB to step back even more

As I said, the key here is if he can carry the additional weight. If, as Bit said, he can develop an bit of technique he could be a very scary player.

if he loses his speed he'll be a JAG. If he keeps it, the Jets front 7 pass rush could change dramatically.

[Matt39]

Also there was no need to jump all over Matt because he brings up questions about this team. They are valid questiions that should be discussed on a football message board about your football team. To be honest if you cant deal with that then you should be the one looking for a different place to post not Matt.

I appreciate the kind words...but I have thick skin, no worries...some folks take this too seriously.

[HDKostempski]

IS he going to be a beast like some people in here seem to think ? No Way.

Will he get the occasional sack when lined up in the right situation ? probably.

Will he ever be a full time LB ? no way in hell. He is a decent situational pass rusher, as it stands right now. We will have to wait for this season to see what he really is.

Also there was no need to jump all over Matt because he brings up questions about this team. They are valid questiions that should be discussed on a football message board about your football team. To be honest if you cant deal with that then you should be the one looking for a different place to post not Matt.

QFT.

Maybin is too light to be a tweener DE, and he's not athletic enough and lacks coverage skills to be a full time LBer. While he has speed, he doesn't have any moves, either. He is a big liability against the run, so he's really only useful on thirds and long when the chances of the QB audibling to a run play are very limited.

My assessment of Maybin is that he was on the field primarily in 3rd down situations and came up with 6 sacks and 4 forced fumbles. Once can be an accident. Twice can be a fluke. Six times means the guy has been properly coached up, given confidence, and been placed in a scheme and position to succeed. While I couldn't find an advanced stat, I'm also sure Maybin was responsible for more QB Pressures than the 6 sacks he was able to come up with.

Point is, Maybin has been a real nice find as a 3rd down pass rusher. Whether or not he was a "fluke" (which he wasn't), this thread is just more Negative Nancyism.

I would think that Football Outsiders would have included pressures if they had existed; however, players don't get many pressures from looping around the offensive formation and getting to the QB from behind or tackling QBs running the ball. I don't think Maybin's production was a "fluke" last season, but WYSIWYG, and you aren't going to get much more out of him. If the QB holdes the ball long enough, Maybin may get to him and make him fumble, but QBs playing behind solid OLs or who have quick releases will either negate or victimize him regularly.

I dont see it as negative nancyism its just football talk man. I think Maybin was a product of Rex's system and put in the right place at the right time he can be effective but keep in mind when his name started getting thrown around at the end of last season he was non existent in the last 4 games. Does that count for anything or were teams just taking notice ? He will never be a full time backer on this team or any other and you have to ask yourself do the Jets keep both him and Sapp ? I guess what Im saying is lets see if Maybin,, now on the radar of most teams we will play, can still keep up . If he does it will be wonderfull but the jury is still out IMHO

Maybin should never have been drafted in the first round. He was a third round talent whom the Bills brass at the time, particularly HC Dick Jauron, liked too much, particularly since he had bulked up to about 250 for the Combine. For what the Jets are paying him, he might be worth keeping but he wasn't even a good contributor on STs with the Bills and I doubt that he's a ST ace on the Jets, so if he can't be a great pass rusher, then his worth to the team diminishes even more.

[Smashmouth]

Why do you think he will never be a full time backer? He will probably come into camp at over 250. Scott right now is at 230. Davis is at 235..

I have my doubts if he can carry the 250, which will be a major mistake on the CS part. If he can carry it, the guy could be very good.

Even at 225-228 lasts year he was extremely effective. The guy has a very rare skill set. He had one of the quickest outside moves in the NFL. He also had the ability to stop on a dime, and reverse his field suddenly and catch the QB from behind if the QB didn't unload the ball the second Maybin ran by him. That is really rare. Most pass rushers once they are taken wide, stop, and hesitate, a lot just give up on the play. Maybin has great heart in that he played full speed until the whistle blows.

One of the reasons his production fell toward the end of the season was, as you said teams became aware of him. They started sending RB's over in his direction to chip him further outside, or prevent him from coming back and striping the ball from behind. I'm sure QB's were all made aware of him, and coached to get rid of the ball quickly if he was on the field. Even when they couldn't see him. Even thought he wasn't getting the big sack #'s at the end of the year, he was still chasing QB's and disrupting plays with his speed from behind.

Last year he was really the only pass rusher opponents had to be concerned about. That won't be the case this year. Hopefully.

Coples will be right next to him. Coples will draw a lot of attention. Not only that but the Jets have added Davis who will be used in 3rd down situations. In NCAA, he showed a very good ability to disrupt the QB, and, like Maybin plays very fast, and to the whistle. Not to mention that in his second year Wilkerson will be able to stop thinking, and just rush the passer. Which will cause the QB to step back even more

As I said, the key here is if he can carry the additional weight. If, as Bit said, he can develop an bit of technique he could be a very scary player.

if he loses his speed he'll be a JAG. If he keeps it, the Jets front 7 pass rush could change dramatically.

flgreen he just does not strike me as a down and dirty LB a true run stopper who will get in the pile and fight to bring down RB's. In this case he reminds me a lot of Gholston with a lot more speed and burst. I do not view him as a good LB at all. Its goes way further than just putting on weight. The only thing this guy will ever excel at will be situational pass rushing and in that case we will have to see how he now adjusts to what happened to him the last 4 games of last season when he did nothing.

If you asked me which player i would keep between Maybin or Bellore I would keep Bellore every time. I dont know enough about Sapp to have an opinion but with Davis comeing in this year Im sure someone has to go and it wont be Davis that much Im sure of. Davis can play the position and is a sideline to sideline type of LB we have been missing for a while now.

Why Maybin put on weight is a mystery to me hes not going to push back lineman because he gained 10 pounds so why sacrifice quickness for a pipe dream of becoming a full time backer ? This is where i question some of the Jets handling of personnel. They should know this guy does not have what it takes to be an all around LB Unless its his only chance to make the squad since the Jets have been talking up Sapp. Who Knows

either way its all speculation I hope Im wrong and the guy is a beast because Im a Jets fan and thats about it.

[Smashmouth]

QFT.

Maybin is too light to be a tweener DE, and he's not athletic enough and lacks coverage skills to be a full time LBer. While he has speed, he doesn't have any moves, either. He is a big liability against the run, so he's really only useful on thirds and long when the chances of the QB audibling to a run play are very limited.

I would think that Football Outsiders would have included pressures if they had existed; however, players don't get many pressures from looping around the offensive formation and getting to the QB from behind or tackling QBs running the ball. I don't think Maybin's production was a "fluke" last season, but WYSIWYG, and you aren't going to get much more out of him. If the QB holdes the ball long enough, Maybin may get to him and make him fumble, but QBs playing behind solid OLs or who have quick releases will either negate or victimize him regularly.

Maybin should never have been drafted in the first round. He was a third round talent whom the Bills brass at the time, particularly HC Dick Jauron, liked too much, particularly since he had bulked up to about 250 for the Combine. For what the Jets are paying him, he might be worth keeping but he wasn't even a good contributor on STs with the Bills and I doubt that he's a ST ace on the Jets, so if he can't be a great pass rusher, then his worth to the team diminishes even more.

Hey I agree with most of what you say if not all of it but i have to stay semi positive, he is a Jet after all, and I have my hopes luckily the Jets are stacked on Defense IMO and we have the luxery to jerk around with guys like this which may be the only reason hes on this team at all.,

The only time I was totally positive a player would not make it in this league was with Gholston he was just horrible and yes I think he was horrible in college as well. Dont really give a damn about his sacks the guy was non existent 90 % of the time, flat footed, and stiff as hell.

[Smashmouth]

I appreciate the kind words...but I have thick skin, no worries...some folks take this too seriously.

I hear ya man but you know the sh*t gets old with me from time to time

[whodeawhodat]

I have high hopes for Maybin this year. I see no reason with a full off season that he cant be an even more disruptive force with more time on the playing field. I watched the games and I do remember Maybin putting pressure on the QB. With some more pressure in the QBs face it will prevent the QB from stepping up in the pocket which i saw more than a few times.

The questions are:

can we push the pocket back into the QB

will maybin lose a step due to the added weight

if these answers are positive I see no reason that he cant raise his sack total from last year. the way Wilk came on at the end of the season and the reports coming out of early camp, I am encouraged.

To answer the OP, no, i dont think anyone flukes their way to 6 sacks. Kid is for real and hasnt reached his potential imo.

[whodeawhodat]

Maybin is too light to be a tweener DE, and he's not athletic enough and lacks coverage skills to be a full time LBer. While he has speed, he doesn't have any moves, either. He is a big liability against the run, so he's really only useful on thirds and long when the chances of the QB audibling to a run play are very limited.

He will never drop into coverage, his is a pass rush specialist.

[flgreen]

flgreen he just does not strike me as a down and dirty LB a true run stopper who will get in the pile and fight to bring down RB's. In this case he reminds me a lot of Gholston with a lot more speed and burst. I do not view him as a good LB at all. Its goes way further than just putting on weight. The only thing this guy will ever excel at will be situational pass rushing and in that case we will have to see how he now adjusts to what happened to him the last 4 games of last season when he did nothing.

If you asked me which player i would keep between Maybin or Bellore I would keep Bellore every time. I dont know enough about Sapp to have an opinion but with Davis comeing in this year Im sure someone has to go and it wont be Davis that much Im sure of. Davis can play the position and is a sideline to sideline type of LB we have been missing for a while now.

Why Maybin put on weight is a mystery to me hes not going to push back lineman because he gained 10 pounds so why sacrifice quickness for a pipe dream of becoming a full time backer ? This is where i question some of the Jets handling of personnel. They should know this guy does not have what it takes to be an all around LB Unless its his only chance to make the squad since the Jets have been talking up Sapp. Who Knows

either way its all speculation I hope Im wrong and the guy is a beast because Im a Jets fan and thats about it.

As you said, at this point I guess we will just have to agree to disagree until until the season starts. It's a nasty day down here, and I can't go fishing, or ride my motor cycle, so I'll just throw a few things out there just for the sake of discussion to kill some time.

First off, when you find yourself agreeing across the board with a Bills troll of all things, you know your argument is in trouble.

Besides that, how many of the big time pass rushers are "down and dirty LB a true run stopper who will get in the pile and fight to bring down RB's"? When they can do that they aren't good players, they are HOF's.

Right now in the NFL pass rushers, even one trick ponies, who can get 10+ sacks a year, are the second most valuable players in the league besides QB's. In the division the Jets are in, with 3 spread offensives, a pass rush, combined with the great CB's we have, could very well be the the lynch pin that wins the division.

I don't think there is even a question in the FO's mind who will survive a Bellore- Maybin showdown for a roster spot. Bellore might be a nice player, but he is certainly not an impact player. I put Sapp in the category that your assigning Maybin to.

A guy that the CS has talked up briefly, but no real reason to expect anything from him.

My only concern with Maybin is the added weight. Even if he turns out to be a one trick pony, if that trick is 10 sacks, I'll take it every time.

We'll have to resume this in mid August

[slats]

IS he going to be a beast like some people in here seem to think ? No Way.

Will he get the occasional sack when lined up in the right situation ? probably.

Will he ever be a full time LB ? no way in hell. He is a decent situational pass rusher, as it stands right now. We will have to wait for this season to see what he really is.

I don't see why Maybin can't be a full time LB, especially if the Jets are playing a lot more 4-3 - which it seems you were right about. If Bryan Thomas can learn enough coverage skills to be a full time OLB, so can Maybin. And running a lot more 4-3, his responsibilities are completely different. It's the DEs who have to control the edge, while the beefed up Maybin fills the gaps.

I'm excited to see this player with 15 extra pounds and a full offseason program under his belt. With an emphasis on improving this year instead of just trying to make a team with a bust label tattooed on his forehead.

But if he's just a situational pass rusher, he's got a job here. That has nothing to do with Bellore or Sapp. Jets have a lot of age at the LB spots, and there's room for all these guys if they're good enough.

[flgreen]

I don't see why Maybin can't be a full time LB, especially if the Jets are playing a lot more 4-3 - which it seems you were right about. If Bryan Thomas can learn enough coverage skills to be a full time OLB, so can Maybin. And running a lot more 4-3, his responsibilities are completely different. It's the DEs who have to control the edge, while the beefed up Maybin fills the gaps.

I'm excited to see this player with 15 extra pounds and a full offseason program under his belt. With an emphasis on improving this year instead of just trying to make a team with a bust label tattooed on his forehead.

But if he's just a situational pass rusher, he's got a job here. That has nothing to do with Bellore or Sapp. Jets have a lot of age at the LB spots, and there's room for all these guys if they're good enough.

Not to mention that two of the Jets starting LB'ers , Pace and Scott, will be gone next year..

After watching the Pettine interview, I think the Jets 4 man front D is going to be an odd one. It is going to start out as a 46 with 3 down lineman, then one of the standup LB's is going to put his hand in the dirt (Maybin) and rush the passer.

[JustInFudge]

How does it not? An over 3.5 second sack would deem it a coverage sack and not one where he used a specific move to beat an offensive linemen to get to the QB. You cant see how those would be more flukey than Demarcus Ware's sack on Sanchez to kick off our season last year?

2 of his sacks were lighting quick. All around great plays by him.

And not every sack that takes over 3.5 seconds to occur is a coverage sack. Many of those sacks, were created by pressure, flushing the QB out of the pocket which makes the read more difficult as at that point, the its probably a broken play and you're waiting for a WR to improvise. Props to Maybin for staying in pursuit and making a play once he got there.

[SenorGato]

Not a fluke, just very well set up by everyone else around him. Hopefully he comes into his own as a player. At 24 he's actually the same age DeMarcus Ware was entering the league...Not saying that he's going to be on that level, he doesn't have to be. Just saying there's actually a surprising amount of reason to be optimistic about him.

I'm still not convinced either, but I can see why anyone would be optimistic.

[Smashmouth]

I don't see why Maybin can't be a full time LB, especially if the Jets are playing a lot more 4-3 - which it seems you were right about. If Bryan Thomas can learn enough coverage skills to be a full time OLB, so can Maybin. And running a lot more 4-3, his responsibilities are completely different. It's the DEs who have to control the edge, while the beefed up Maybin fills the gaps.

I'm excited to see this player with 15 extra pounds and a full offseason program under his belt. With an emphasis on improving this year instead of just trying to make a team with a bust label tattooed on his forehead.

But if he's just a situational pass rusher, he's got a job here. That has nothing to do with Bellore or Sapp. Jets have a lot of age at the LB spots, and there's room for all these guys if they're good enough.

the way I see the Jets future (without Pace Thomas or Scott) at LB is Harris Davis Bellore, while running a predominant 4-3 mostly using the 46.

Harris and Davis will be on the field the most and Maybin will sub in for Bellore on 3rd and longs as a pass rushing specialist. Sapp will be a back up and spell guys from time to time if he is what the Jets say he is OR Bellore will take that role. Thats not taking into consideration the draft or FA possibilities but in all honesty I think we have a decent group of young LB's who really do not get playing time due to the large contracts guys like Pace and Scott have and Thomas used to have . I also think McIntyre could be a player. I hate the fact money dictates these decisions most of the time.

I really would like to see the Jets work in these young guys more as this year moves on and make some real decisions at the end of the season. Ive been very Impressed in what I have seen from Bellore the guy seems like a very smart agressive player and remember Lance Mehl was slow in his day but the guy was a great LB due to smarts and being in the right place at the right time.

[T0mShane]

Has Rex ever said why he buried Maybin on the bench down the stretch last year?

[slats]

the way I see the Jets future (without Pace Thomas or Scott) at LB is Harris Davis Bellore, while running a predominant 4-3 mostly using the 46.

We'll see how it plays out, but the problem with this theory is that all three of those guys are currently listed as inside LBs, while Sapp and Maybin are listed as OLBs. I think if Maybin is going to force his way onto the field, it'll be in as a weak side, outside LB.

Ive been very Impressed in what I have seen from Bellore the guy seems like a very smart agressive player and remember Lance Mehl was slow in his day but the guy was a great LB due to smarts and being in the right place at the right time.

You could get away with slower LBs in Lance Mehl's time. The Jets already have Harris as their heady but slow MLB, they really need more speed around him. Davis is an excellent compliment either on the inside in the 3-4, or the strong side in the 4-3. From there he can cover the TE. The weak side guy needs to cover a little RB, but mostly needs to get after the passer. You can't have a slow LB there.

[Smashmouth]

We'll see how it plays out, but the problem with this theory is that all three of those guys are currently listed as inside LBs, while Sapp and Maybin are listed as OLBs. I think if Maybin is going to force his way onto the field, it'll be in as a weak side, outside LB.

You could get away with slower LBs in Lance Mehl's time. The Jets already have Harris as their heady but slow MLB, they really need more speed around him. Davis is an excellent compliment either on the inside in the 3-4, or the strong side in the 4-3. From there he can cover the TE. The weak side guy needs to cover a little RB, but mostly needs to get after the passer. You can't have a slow LB there.

Slats I agree and I would have Davis on the weak side and Bellore on the strong side . All your points are valid but I dont see Maybin becoming a full time LB and thats the difference. Bellore is not as slow as Mehl was and I didnt mean to say Bellore would be playing weak side if thats the way you took my comparison my mistake. So in the case Pace Scott and thomas are gone in the next year or 2 I can see :

Davis (weak Side) Harris (middle) Bellore (strong side)

Sapp Backs up Davis McIntyre Backs up Bellore and Maybin is the pass rush Specialist

Then Obviously you plug in whatever draft pick or free agent into the mix which could change Bellore's situation very quickly or displace a back up if Bellore is what I think he is. If we do go more 4-3 we will only keep about 6 LB's IMO because you will need more DL on the roster . Im a big believer in rotations on the Defensive line to keep them fresh and keep the pressure on the O-Line since they never rotate. Similar to what the Cowboys did in the Early 90's

In the case of the 3-4 you would most likely see Maybin or Sapp step in depending on the situation. And keep in mind I know this does not happen this year because Scott Pace and Thomas will all be playing this is just me looking forward because I cant see the Jets re signing any of the 3 they currently have past this year not sure on how much Pace has left on his contract but he wont be signing anything past a 1 year deal is we even decide to keep him. I think the guys behind him can have a bigger impact at this point in their career's anyhow and we might see Pace in more of a DE rotation anyhow this year.

When it comes to Coples do you see him playing more of a DT role than a DE ? I think his numbers were better on the inside in college Would not mind seeing a Pace Coples Pouha Wilkerson DL With Ellis Divito and Thomas on rotation On run downs Divito can Spell Pace, Thomas can rotate at DE when needed and Ellis can Spell Pouha.

[Sperm Edwards]

IS he going to be a beast like some people in here seem to think ? No Way.

Will he get the occasional sack when lined up in the right situation ? probably.

Will he ever be a full time LB ? no way in hell. He is a decent situational pass rusher, as it stands right now. We will have to wait for this season to see what he really is.

Also there was no need to jump all over Matt because he brings up questions about this team. They are valid questiions that should be discussed on a football message board about your football team. To be honest if you cant deal with that then you should be the one looking for a different place to post not Matt.

I know. Some people can't Sanchez sucks handle criticism of anyone on the team. Totally with you on this, lol.

[Smashmouth]

Haha

On first read I didnt see your little trickery

Just for the record Im fine with the criticism on Sanchez my arguement is a big change is coming its not to late Sperm you can still jump on the Sanchez bus.

[#27TheDominator]

Not sure if I agree on Bellore. He looked fine, but Mauga is obviously well ahead of him - and should be having more time in the system. So is McIntyre, but that guy isn't likely to be a 4-3 OLB. I think a bunch of those guys were just special teamers with promise. If any of them pans out as a starter it is a huge bonus.

Has Rex ever said why he buried Maybin on the bench down the stretch last year?

Is there any evidence that this is true? I can't remember him missing many 3rd or 4th and 5+ yards which was the time he should be on the field and I remember him getting some snaps in different circumstances later in the year. Where do you get snap count info? I can't find it anywhere.

[bitonti]

Rex didn't bury Maybin down the stretch. maybin just didn't perform. Look at the Eagles or Giants game for examples. The Eagles game was obviously out of control from Santonio's fumbles but Maybin had at least 2 good chances at Vick and was grasping air.

[slats]

Slats I agree and I would have Davis on the weak side and Bellore on the strong side . All your points are valid but I dont see Maybin becoming a full time LB and thats the difference. Bellore is not as slow as Mehl was and I didnt mean to say Bellore would be playing weak side if thats the way you took my comparison my mistake. So in the case Pace Scott and thomas are gone in the next year or 2 I can see :

Davis (weak Side) Harris (middle) Bellore (strong side)

We're not going to get past you simply not believing that Maybin can grow into a starter's role, and it's all conjecture, anyway, so I'm not going to argue it.

One thing I will say, though, is that I believe one of the reasons they drafted Davis was to cover TEs, and therefore it would make no sense to put him on the weak side. He may blitz once in a while, but I don't think they see pass rusher as a primary responsibility for him. So if not Maybin, they'd want another pass rusher on the weak side.

When it comes to Coples do you see him playing more of a DT role than a DE ? I think his numbers were better on the inside in college Would not mind seeing a Pace Coples Pouha Wilkerson DL With Ellis Divito and Thomas on rotation On run downs Divito can Spell Pace, Thomas can rotate at DE when needed and Ellis can Spell Pouha.

When he was drafted, I thought he would see a ton a work at DT, but everything I'm reading has me thinking that they're going to try to keep him at DE the vast majority of the time. There's been some criticism of the Coples pick, and they will want to extinguish that ASAP. Keeping it simple for him will help him succeed faster. Once he's comfortable, I think he'll be moving to DT and OLB to confuse QBs. Early on, they'll want to keep him from getting confused. Wilk will see a lot of DT work with Pace moving up, but I think the "big" 4-3 will have a lot of DeVito and Ellis, in addition to Pouha, in at DT.

[Smashmouth]

We're not going to get past you simply not believing that Maybin can grow into a starter's role, and it's all conjecture, anyway, so I'm not going to argue it.

One thing I will say, though, is that I believe one of the reasons they drafted Davis was to cover TEs, and therefore it would make no sense to put him on the weak side. He may blitz once in a while, but I don't think they see pass rusher as a primary responsibility for him. So if not Maybin, they'd want another pass rusher on the weak side.

When he was drafted, I thought he would see a ton a work at DT, but everything I'm reading has me thinking that they're going to try to keep him at DE the vast majority of the time. There's been some criticism of the Coples pick, and they will want to extinguish that ASAP. Keeping it simple for him will help him succeed faster. Once he's comfortable, I think he'll be moving to DT and OLB to confuse QBs. Early on, they'll want to keep him from getting confused. Wilk will see a lot of DT work with Pace moving up, but I think the "big" 4-3 will have a lot of DeVito and Ellis, in addition to Pouha, in at DT.

As for Maybin your right we both have our opinions so lets just PAFO

You are probably right about Davis but the Jets usually cover a TE with a safety since they can man up on most if not all WR tandems and bring in the nickel package when they throw 3 at us. Both Bell and Landry are like having 4th LB's anyway should be interesting and there are a ton of combinations and scenarios we can discuss. Main thing is we have our sh*t together on defense (coaching wise) so not much to worry about being in the right formation for what the offense throws at us..... wish it was that way on the offensive side of the ball hopefully Sparano works them into shape

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

Call it what you want, I'll lean on a guy who hustles every play. I like the guy's speed and energy.

Only thing I see is he only has one move....speed rush around the outside. The coverage sack issue has a point but after seasons of watching QBs simonize their car in the pocket, I'll take whatever we can get. I like the kid and have good expectations this year.