flgreen Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 New York Jets Rumors: Gang Green Has Interest in Fred Davis By John Bon Mar 24 2013, 10:55p@johnbutchko34 Stay connectedfor news and updates Matt Stamey-US PRESSWIRE Adam Schefter reports the Jets are among teams interested in Redskins free agent tight end Fred Davis. Davis is a quality receiver at the position. He posted 59 catches for 796 yards in 2011 with a Rex Grossman and John Beck quarterback combo. He would be a nice addition to replace Dustin Keller if healthy and a good fit for the offense. As you probably guessed, Davis could be cheap since the Jets are looking into him. What is the catch? He is coming off a torn Achilles tendon, a very serious injury that can rob players of explosion. If the Jets get serious here, the medical staff will have to explore this one fully. Based on Davis' solidtrack record, it might be worth looking into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangisGreen Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Would be a good signing. If healthy he would be an improvement over Keller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Like everything else you invest into it depends on the price. Like the article says, achilles tendon are something else and once you have surgery (not sure whether he done so are not) you'll never be the same player. If he hasn't then I would be interested and we have a great example in Landry is persuading him how good our staff was in terms of moderating his injury. Last but no least, I want a two year deal out of him. If it's a one year deal I wouldn't pay him much to anything but I'll pay above the market value for him to agree to a two year deal as it makesmore sense to have the flexibility for him to be on the 2014 roster afterwards if he performed good with the ability to cut him if he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 This could be one of those years where the Jets get lucky and everybody stays healthy. Or they could wind up with a team who has to find practice squad players because half the people they brought in were injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Cumberland seems to have come back from his Achilles injury just fine. Davis would be a good addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 He's got talent and he's still young so yea. Suggested him a while back anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Vernon Davis could be a good pickup-why he is not signed yet is the question mark on his condition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 ESPN.com news services Free-agent tight end Fred Davis dined Saturday night in Washington with Buffalo Bills coach Doug Marrone, general manager Buddy Nix and other team officials, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Fred Davis #83 TE Washington Redskins 2012 STATS Rec24 Yds325 TD0 Avg13.5 Long29 YAC139 Davis is scheduled to visit the Bills again Wednesday, a league source told Schefter. The New York Jets and Washington Redskins also are interested in Davis, the source said. Davis was the Redskins' leading receiver with 24 catches for 325 yards before tearing his Achilles tendon against the Giants last October. He told the NFL Network on Friday that he is recovering well from the injury and that he is even "a little bit ahead of schedule." Davis also said his preference was to remain with the Redskins but that he was open to signing with another team. "I definitely would [like to stay], but at the end of the day, I'll play wherever," Davis told the NFL Network. "It doesn't matter to me. It's about football to me. I would like to stay here, but if I can't, I'm fine with that as well." In 2011, he was having a career year with 59 catches for 796 yards before being suspended for the final four games after failing multiple drug tests. The 27-year-old tight end has 155 catches, 1,973 yards and 12 touchdowns in 62 career games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Fred Davis is a nice player, would welcome him to the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Seem to be targeting every player in the league coming off an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Vernon Davis could be a good pickup-why he is not signed yet is the question mark on his condition Fred Davis. Vernon is under contract for an eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Seem to be targeting every player in the league coming off an injury. Yes we do. Idzik is ok with tanking this season so that we'll have some cap space to carry over to 2014. Thats fine with me. I don't expect a SB or bust season anyways. I like how he's dealt with the situation so far and hasn't used the Tanny tool (Restructure and move money back) as much. We are picking up decent players with injury history on the cheap. If they stay healthy, its like the Laron Landry situation. We'll get a great season from them while they flee in the FA next year and Jets continue to accumulate comp picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Yes we do. Idzik is ok with tanking this season so that we'll have some cap space to carry over to 2014. Thats fine with me. I don't expect a SB or bust season anyways. I like how he's dealt with the situation so far and hasn't used the Tanny tool (Restructure and move money back) as much. We are picking up decent players with injury history on the cheap. If they stay healthy, its like the Laron Landry situation. We'll get a great season from them while they flee in the FA next year and Jets continue to accumulate comp picks. Yes, Idzik is going to purposely tank his first season so he can roll over a few million dollars to a season where we are projected to be well under the cap. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Yes, Idzik is going to purposely tank his first season so he can roll over a few million dollars to a season where we are projected to be well under the cap. Makes sense. You mean when we'll have $30mil in cap space and 20 more players to sign? Yes, thats a lot...of players to sign with that cap and will need a starting QB and CB possibly. Idzik doesn't have the Dolfag money this year. He has Tanny money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 You mean when we'll have $30mil in cap space and 20 more players to sign? Yes, thats a lot...of players to sign with that cap and will need a starting QB and CB possibly. Idzik doesn't have the Dolfag money this year. He has Tanny money. You don't tank a season for a handful of million dollars to roll-over in cap relief. That's assanine. You don't tank period. And presumably, a lot of those players drawing a big cap hit like Holmes, Sanchez etc. will be replaced by cheaper draft picks last year or this coming draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 First, Kellen Davis, now Fred Davis. Couldn't be more different as players, so you have to think its less about scheme, and more about something else. Kellen is a blocking specialist with stone hands and huge height. Fred is a poor, injured man's Vernon Davis. It almost has the feel that we're willing to have anyone that will have us...at our exorbitant salaries of course. We have gone from, "no stone left unturned" to more of a, "we'll take ya, if you'll take min wage, and won't affect our comp pick collecting efforts". This is the antithesis of "Moneyball" This is like building a team from CraigsList. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 ^that being said, sign this beast! Seriously. Or bring back Josh 'the Chris Cooley' Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Antithesis to Moneyball? I'd say it's as close as you can get in the NFL. Hell, I'd go as far as saying they're turning over every stone they can to find fits. Just considering Kellen Davis sends a chill through my body, so I'm hoping that's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Antithesis to Moneyball? I'd say it's as close as you can get in the NFL. Hell, I'd go as far as saying they're turning over every stone they can to find fits. Just considering Kellen Davis sends a chill through my body, so I'm hoping that's over. Moneyball was all about stats. We seem to care less about prior performance and more about bargain basement potential types...at least that's how it's getting spun. Truth is we are signing anyone who will play for us for penny contracts. Anyone. The word is out, free agents are taking their sweet ass time before visiting the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Moneyball was all about stats. We seem to care less about prior performance and more about bargain basement potential types...at least that's how it's getting spun. Truth is we are signing anyone who will play for us for penny contracts. Anyone. The word is out, free agents are taking their sweet ass time before visiting the Jets. Agree with you. It's almost a running joke that every player the Jets seem to sign or show interest in has come off of serious injuries or missed seasons. You have to wonder what the plan is. The A's and moneyball didn't go out and sign a bunch of players who came off of injury or missed seasons. They tried to change the way scouts assessed players. Instead of just HRs or batting avg or stolen bases, more weight was give to things like on-base % and slugging % and so on. THey looked at things like high school kids vs college kids and who would more likely make it to the show. Statistically speaking, the Jets are the anti-thesis of money ball. They just signed a bunch of players based on being cheap and who seem to have few other options. They also signed a bunch of guys or are showing interest in guys who have a good chance of being injured again. Moneyball was about stats and finding their guys based on those stats that they could afford. The jets are hoping guys like Garrard don't get hurt or injured because he was cheap. So the Jets concept is "find some cheap guy most other teams don't want." That's not moneyball, thats cheapball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Thank you Pedro, I never saw the movie but figured it was an applicable comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Moneyball was all about stats. We seem to care less about prior performance and more about bargain basement potential types...at least that's how it's getting spun. Truth is we are signing anyone who will play for us for penny contracts. Anyone. The word is out, free agents are taking their sweet ass time before visiting the Jets. No it wasn't, it was about locating undervalued skills and players through any method possible, the books example just happened to use OBP as that was undervalued on the open market at the time. Baseball just happens to be a more individual based sport than football so it's easier to track player's contributions with numbers. These guys aren't just picked at random based on their salary demands. Remember, Tom Gamble was a legit GM candidate here and his job with the 49ers was scouting and scouring the league for cheap filler pick ups. WE the fans generally have no idea who most of these guys are - that's not our job to know. OTOH, teams and the people who work for them *have* to know who these guys are and gather as much info as possible. Take Mike Goodson for example. He's put up solid numbers whenever he's played at the NFL level , is right around the peak years for a RB (26, and a relatively fresh 26 at that), and in college he was picking up 6 yards a touch. He's caught passes at both levels and has displayed the ability to run both inside and outside at least partially due to an underrated frame. Then there's the athleticism numbers - he ran a 4.49 at the combine with a 1.49 10 yard at 5'11" 208, and then followed it up with a 39.5 inch vertical, 6.89 3 cone, and almost 10' broad jump. Those are impressive/explosive numbers for a RB and he's translated those numbers as a bit player in the NFL. With the popularity of the multi-back system, his price, and the skills he's displayed at the NFL level he certainly has a role on an NFL roster. It's not about his potential - sure the ingredients are there for him to raise his profile with the Jets - it's about what he can do now for the roster. If it was true they were signing just any old a$$hole who wants to be cheap then Kellen Davis would have been a Jet a couple of weeks ago. He's got the size, youth, and some athleticism (it's overrated - he's stiff), but the Jets probably couldn't help but notice he doesn't produce. He played one year in college, not enough, and hasn't done a single thing worthwhile as a pro but be big enough to sometimes chip a DE into Jay Cutler. You notice this with teams all the time btw...the Seahawks are filled with guys who were well known and well liked with NFL scouts and have the pre-req athleticism...Red Bryant...Alan Branch...there were some who liked Lynch more than Peterson (OK, it's because Peterson entered his draft season with a broken collarbone) in the '07 draft...Rice was a good player with the Vikings but couldn't live up to his contract...Mller was a quality TE for the Raiders, injury hit, Seahawks got him cheap and he's given them some production...if you know the backgrounds of players well enough then the sports world is full of buy low type guys who you can milk a couple of years of production from to milk the year to year game of margins. It doesn't work exactly like the MLB, but the NFL most definitely has a Moneyball aspect to it. It's one of the few things still interesting about the sport to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Like I said, I haven't seen the movie-- but I'm still pretty sure that I'm right, and you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 The A's and moneyball didn't go out and sign a bunch of players who came off of injury or missed seasons. They tried to change the way scouts assessed players. Instead of just HRs or batting avg or stolen bases, more weight was give to things like on-base % and slugging % and so on. THey looked at things like high school kids vs college kids and who would more likely make it to the show. The A's and Moneyball...anyway....just two years ago they got 170 innings out of Brandon McCarthy and another 117 quality innings in 2012 from the oft injured but otherwise quality talent. They hit big time on the 38 year old Frank Thomas - an elite player during his prime who filled in admirably in a reduced role. The A's aren't the only one who play that game either. The Yankees buying Bartolo Colon for a year after his stem cell treatments was a classic buy low type move. E. Chavez for the bench... Garay and Colon are two guys who fit what a team like the A's or Rays would do. Two guys who were quality starters for winning teams during their primes now looking to prolong their careers a little bit in a rotation or reduced role. That's the best way to spend right now for the Jets - get guys who can possibly/probably (more probably than possibly) move the margins for the Jets in the short term - and there's plenty to parallel this with spending philosophies in the MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 If it was true they were signing just any old a$$hole who wants to be cheap then Kellen Davis would have been a Jet a couple of weeks ago. He's got the size, youth, and some athleticism (it's overrated - he's stiff), but the Jets probably couldn't help but notice he doesn't produce. He played one year in college, not enough, and hasn't done a single thing worthwhile as a pro but be big enough to sometimes chip a DE into Jay Cutler. I legit lol'd at this. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 And you're right about Moneyball, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Like I said, I haven't seen the movie-- but I'm still pretty sure that I'm right, and you're wrong. It would help your case if you knew what you were talking about in this case. You don't need to see the movie - it sucked and was not all that informative anyway - to understand the very basic concepts behind the thought process since titled Moneyball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 No it wasn't, it was about locating undervalued skills and players through any method possible, the books example just happened to use OBP as that was undervalued on the open market at the time. Baseball just happens to be a more individual based sport than football so it's easier to track player's contributions with numbers. These guys aren't just picked at random based on their salary demands. Remember, Tom Gamble was a legit GM candidate here and his job with the 49ers was scouting and scouring the league for cheap filler pick ups. WE the fans generally have no idea who most of these guys are - that's not our job to know. OTOH, teams and the people who work for them *have* to know who these guys are and gather as much info as possible. Take Mike Goodson for example. He's put up solid numbers whenever he's played at the NFL level , is right around the peak years for a RB (26, and a relatively fresh 26 at that), and in college he was picking up 6 yards a touch. He's caught passes at both levels and has displayed the ability to run both inside and outside at least partially due to an underrated frame. Then there's the athleticism numbers - he ran a 4.49 at the combine with a 1.49 10 yard at 5'11" 208, and then followed it up with a 39.5 inch vertical, 6.89 3 cone, and almost 10' broad jump. Those are impressive/explosive numbers for a RB and he's translated those numbers as a bit player in the NFL. With the popularity of the multi-back system, his price, and the skills he's displayed at the NFL level he certainly has a role on an NFL roster. It's not about his potential - sure the ingredients are there for him to raise his profile with the Jets - it's about what he can do now for the roster. If it was true they were signing just any old a$$hole who wants to be cheap then Kellen Davis would have been a Jet a couple of weeks ago. He's got the size, youth, and some athleticism (it's overrated - he's stiff), but the Jets probably couldn't help but notice he doesn't produce. He played one year in college, not enough, and hasn't done a single thing worthwhile as a pro but be big enough to sometimes chip a DE into Jay Cutler. You notice this with teams all the time btw...the Seahawks are filled with guys who were well known and well liked with NFL scouts and have the pre-req athleticism...Red Bryant...Alan Branch...there were some who liked Lynch more than Peterson (OK, it's because Peterson entered his draft season with a broken collarbone) in the '07 draft...Rice was a good player with the Vikings but couldn't live up to his contract...Mller was a quality TE for the Raiders, injury hit, Seahawks got him cheap and he's given them some production...if you know the backgrounds of players well enough then the sports world is full of buy low type guys who you can milk a couple of years of production from to milk the year to year game of margins. It doesn't work exactly like the MLB, but the NFL most definitely has a Moneyball aspect to it. It's one of the few things still interesting about the sport to be honest. I do agree and statistical modeling is far more than just obp and slugging pct, etc. Every team probably has their own metrics and calculations. Most sports teams these days use some form of statistical analysis. Some might use more than others. But there are tons of guys like Mike Goodson around the NFL, on practice squads and in the draft. He's been a backup, in college and in the pros. If you can even call him that. And you seem to leave out a lot of the statistical analysis on the guy. Like he missed games due to injury in college. Like he fumbled a lot in college. Things like his yards per carry got worse every year in college. Those are measurable things. Other things like he just disappeared and decided to go pro cause he didn't get along with the head coach, things like he seemed to have a lot of nagging injuries that never got better. Injuries that other guys ignore or play through. That could all just be a kid being a kid. In the NFL, what have we learned? That he barely played since being drafted. Last year he had 35 carries the entire season. Can they get lucky and this guy actually produces? Yes, but don't make up a story about the Jets using "statistics' to determine Goodson was a good pickup. There are tons of other guys out there far better than Goodson. Goodson was cheap. That's it. That's the problem with stats. You throw out 6 yards a carry in college, but forget to mention he did that freshman year. Sophomore year he only averaged 4.6 yards a carry and didn't start often. His JR season, he was off to a slow start, got injured, and finished with under 500 yards rushing the entire season. Then he went AWOL and decided to go pro. People thought he was more a receiver than a running back. None of that would have mattered if he showed something in the NFL. Except he hasn't. A nice game here and there isn't what statistics is based on. Not even close. The guys best year and only year where he got some playing time, he averaged 4.4 yards per carry on 100+ carries. Nobody would say this is a moneyball kind of guy. More like he was cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 The A's and Moneyball...anyway....just two years ago they got 170 innings out of Brandon McCarthy and another 117 quality innings in 2012 from the oft injured but otherwise quality talent. They hit big time on the 38 year old Frank Thomas - an elite player during his prime who filled in admirably in a reduced role. The A's aren't the only one who play that game either. The Yankees buying Bartolo Colon for a year after his stem cell treatments was a classic buy low type move. E. Chavez for the bench... Garay and Colon are two guys who fit what a team like the A's or Rays would do. Two guys who were quality starters for winning teams during their primes now looking to prolong their careers a little bit in a rotation or reduced role. That's the best way to spend right now for the Jets - get guys who can possibly/probably move the margins for the Jets in the short term - and there's plenty to parallel this with spending philosophies in the MLB. It's no longer moneyball. Beane is long gone and everybody uses stats now. And like you said, the Yankees, Red Sox and every other team started to utilize the same methods. . They have the Sports Analytic's conference in Boston and other conferences now. There are Sports Analytics meetup groups. Now it's more hype than what it once was. The A's moneyball era was a long time ago, I'm sure they still utilize a lot of what they once did, but those original guys are long gone from that team. So now it's new people who are trying to do what they did years ago. And everybody does things differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 The A's and Moneyball...anyway....just two years ago they got 170 innings out of Brandon McCarthy and another 117 quality innings in 2012 from the oft injured but otherwise quality talent. They hit big time on the 38 year old Frank Thomas - an elite player during his prime who filled in admirably in a reduced role. The A's aren't the only one who play that game either. The Yankees buying Bartolo Colon for a year after his stem cell treatments was a classic buy low type move. E. Chavez for the bench... Garay and Colon are two guys who fit what a team like the A's or Rays would do. Two guys who were quality starters for winning teams during their primes now looking to prolong their careers a little bit in a rotation or reduced role. That's the best way to spend right now for the Jets - get guys who can possibly/probably move the margins for the Jets in the short term - and there's plenty to parallel this with spending philosophies in the MLB. Plus, they said "yes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 It would help your case if you knew what you were talking about in this case. You don't need to see the movie - it sucked and was not all that informative anyway - to understand the very basic concepts behind the thought process since titled Moneyball. I agree the movie was weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 The biggest issue in saying its closer to a moneyball concept than just being cheap is that they already have Joe McKnight. A guy who has shown far more in the NFL and in college than Goodson ever did. And he was hyped beyond hype. Mcknight was the next Reggie Bush according to all the USC fans and media lovers. And many people don't think he's any good now. So it's moneyball for Woodson, but what for McKnight? How are these two guys really all that different statistically? Mcknight had a 7+ ypc year in college. He was injured, He was hyped more. He went pro and just came off a 6 ypc season on a bad team with no legit QB. The two guys have similar histories in a way. Except some people seem to think McKnight is no good, but Goodson is a good pick up because of 'stats.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 It would help your case if you knew what you were talking about in this case. You don't need to see the movie - it sucked and was not all that informative anyway - to understand the very basic concepts behind the thought process since titled Moneyball. My case? It really has nothing to do about Moneyball. Whether the analogy fits or not, we seem to be reverting from red carpet treatments and lavish dinners, with helicopter tours and what-not...to having the media do our bidding with "leaked" interest reports. Do we still want Dawan Landry? What happened with that? Boothe re-upped with Big Blue. Kellen Davis moved on without so much as a visit. Butler is touring the NFL sans New Jersey. Devito. Now Potty. It seems our team is a hard sell and were willing to take last years IR/PUP All-Stars, and see what happens. They can't ALL get injured again, right? The best "case" for this is our linked interest to two completely different players in Kellen and Fred. The only thing they have in common is that they were both cut, and will not affect our comp picks next year. For that reason, they are more of roster fillers than actually desired talent. Cheap bodies. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 It's no longer moneyball. Beane is long gone and everybody uses stats now. And like you said, the Yankees, Red Sox and every other team started to utilize the same methods. . They have the Sports Analytic's conference in Boston and other conferences now. There are Sports Analytics meetup groups. Now it's more hype than what it once was. The A's moneyball era was a long time ago, I'm sure they still utilize a lot of what they once did, but those original guys are long gone from that team. So now it's new people who are trying to do what they did years ago. And everybody does things differently. Beane is still there, and people were using stats long before the A's. Stats were not what Moneyball was about. Stats are a tool. If you really want to get into it the Yankees and Cardinals have been heavy on numbers for decades...Branch Rickey was preaching statistical analysis in the 50's. The underrated skill when Moneyball was written was OBP. After that caught on in the mainstream then the new Moneyball moved to preventing runs and defense. Since the shift to defense there has been a large focus on quantifying defense. Now (Well, always, the tech is getting better) it goes beyond just game statistics - there is a huge shift towards scouting, biomechanical analysis, and injury prevention/recovery. Basically, it's only more hype than it once was because most people, even many baseball fans, chose not to understand what that book was saying. They read it - they got that OBP is important and that the A's relied heavily on statistics - but could not move beyond that to the larger (and rather obvious and general) meaning of the book. There are a great deal of people who think Billy Beane wrote the book, STILL. You don't even think Beane is around anymore...Moneyball *the book/story/movie* was talking about "that team" from the period of time, but the concepts behind the book apply to roster building in general not in that specific instance. Moneyball didn't end because ****in Giambi, Tejada, Hudson/Mulder/Zito left - if anything the A's had to turn it up to keep putting a quality product on the field after those guys (which they have more often than not). Also, most people don't understand stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Whether the analogy fits or not, Well it did fit, just not in the way you were presenting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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