Vaunted

[whodeawhodat]

First of all, I didn't say or even think I had magically solved anything.  It's the designer of the 3-4 D (whoever that was) that came up with the magic. All I was doing was pointing out the way the system is designed and supposed to work.  

 

Second, I guess I wasn't very clear and didn't go far enough in my comments.  Please notice in my earlier post that I said "Supposedly" and "according to some Jets fans."  I didn't say that I agree with those fans, and for the most part, I don't.  It's quite possible that Tanny was just guy shy about drafting another OLB after missing so badly on Ghoulston (spelling in honor of Halloween and his frightfully bad play) even though Rex kept telling him that he needed a younger, faster playmaker at OLB.  

 

It was rumored that Rex really wanted Brooks Reed  a couple of years ago.  If true, that would prove that what some Jets fans are saying isn't true. Personally, I don't believe that Rex is that arrogant.  While I think he is creative and does value the CB position more than perhaps most 3-4 D DCs, I think he's had to be creative with his blitzes and figure out ways to try to generate a pass rush and stop the run on D without one of the key pieces.  Since Pace and Thomas were good against the run, I think he just may have decided to not make waves and do the best he could with the players he had on hand.  

 

OTOH, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Rex may think he's smarter than he actually is.  He had a lot of success with his blitzes in 2009, but then less so in 2010, and progressively less since.  He's been slow to learn and adapt in other ways (holding players accountable, moving on from Ground & Pound to more of a passing offense, etc.), and I think most Jets fans agree that Rex is very loyal to his guys, and I think Pace and Thomas were two of Rex's guys, so there could be some validity to what those other fans suggest.  It may have taken him a few years to realize that his blitzes weren't working any more and that he needed to do something else to generate a pass rush.  That said, initially, Rex didn't use his DEs the way the Texans or most other 3-4 D DCs do to rush the QB.  Instead, he had them watching first and foremost for the run.  With the drafting of Wilkerson and the way he's being used more and more to rush the QB, and with the continual additions to the DL, it at least seems like Rex is now trying to pressure opposing QBs with the DL and his DEs rather than with his OLBs.  Again, I think it may have to do more with Rex trying to be creative and generate a pass rush through some other means because the team still has not added a genuine pass rusher other than Barnes.  Barnes was used to great effect and like a traditional 3-4 pass rushing OLB .

 

So in other words, I was only criticizing Rex IF he's just trying to be different for difference' sake, and playing "mad scientist" just to see if he can win without a topnotch OLB.  If he's just playing with the cards that are dealt to him, then I can't and don't fault him.

 

I appreciate your post.  I think that Rex has adapted or at least attempted to adapt.  I recall one year Rex said he was going to air it out on offense, well, he tried and our offense failed miserably.  Also, as you said, on D he has put those exotic blitzes on the back burner and is bringing many more 4 man rushes.  I think he saw what has worked for the gmen and incorporated some of that into his defense, again, adapting.  He(or his GM) has had the opportunity to draft OLB pass rushing specialist but has opted to go with DL and CBs on defense instead.  I think that speaks volumes for what he feels are where his superstars need to be.  Question is, is he getting a superstar or a bust.  Agreed on Barnes, to bad he got injured...

[JoeKlecko]

I appreciate your post.  I think that Rex has adapted or at least attempted to adapt.  I recall one year Rex said he was going to air it out on offense, well, he tried and our offense failed miserably.  Also, as you said, on D he has put those exotic blitzes on the back burner and is bringing many more 4 man rushes.  I think he saw what has worked for the gmen and incorporated some of that into his defense, again, adapting.  He(or his GM) has had the opportunity to draft OLB pass rushing specialist but has opted to go with DL and CBs on defense instead.  I think that speaks volumes for what he feels are where his superstars need to be.  Question is, is he getting a superstar or a bust.  Agreed on Barnes, to bad he got injured...

 

If Rex truly is valuing DL & CBs over OLBs for his D, then I DO think he is wrong and deserves criticism.  If he wants to supply the pass rush pressure with the DL, then IMO he should just bite the bullet and transition to a 4-3 front, get an OLB that can cover TEs and be done with it.  I don't think a 3-4 D alignment will ever function to its full efficiency and ability without speedy play-making OLBs, regardless of how much creativity Rex or any other DC has who utilizes that alignment.  IMO Idzik needs to get Rex that stud pass rusher.  Then and only then do I think Rex's defenses will become dominant and he will be truly seen as perhaps the greatest DC of all time.

[Matt39]

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/31/carolina-panthers-charles-johnson-nfl-week-8-pressure-points-greg-bedard/

 

Food for thought. Our dline is good. Problem is- there are a lot of teams with really good dline's.

[stoicsentry]

So clutch.

 

Indeed.

[SenorGato]

Today's game was front 7 porn from the highlights.

[dbatesman]

Today's game was front 7 porn from the highlights.

 

+1

[Larz]

I turned to the wife and said calmly, "if they give up a 4th and 19 I'm never watching these assholes again"

 

gotta admit, I was pretty shocked they did it, lol

 

and wtf was up with that timeout with 28 seconds to go ?

 

did rex want to bask a little ?  did they not have the V formation personnel in the game ?

[Lizard King]

Today's game was front 7 porn from the highlights.

Never knocked our front 7. The secondary is a massive Achille's heel to them however. They deserve much better.

[Integrity28]

Today's game was front 7 porn from the highlights.

 

 

It was, in every way thinkable.

[SenorGato]

BTW I am really enjoying the season Calvin Pace is having thanks to this DL. By proxy of not killing him for his deal, which I still consider a fine one for both sides, I have become a fan over the years. Mostly a good player when on the field with the Jets, and his '08-'10 gets ignored due to missed time, team collapses, and Bart Scott.

[BroadwayJoe12]

BTW I am really enjoying the season Calvin Pace is having thanks to this DL. By proxy of not killing him for his deal, which I still consider a fine one for both sides, I have become a fan over the years. Mostly a good player when on the field with the Jets, and his '08-'10 gets ignored due to missed time, team collapses, and Bart Scott.

 

Always liked Pace, the only reason people didn't like him or respect his contribution was due to their own grandiose and slightly delusional expectations. They wanted and expected him to be Demarcus Ware or Shawne Merriman, but he always was a solid player. Reminds me a lot of Jared Jeffries: he did a lot of good things, but it was the contract people hated and not really the player.

[SenorGato]

Sports fans really need to shut the **** up about player contracts.

[JoeKlecko]

Always liked Pace, the only reason people didn't like him or respect his contribution was due to their own grandiose and slightly delusional expectations. They wanted and expected him to be Demarcus Ware or Shawne Merriman, but he always was a solid player. Reminds me a lot of Jared Jeffries: he did a lot of good things, but it was the contract people hated and not really the player.

 

I've never hated Pace.  You're right that I hated the contract, which I think was insane for a limited player like him, but I also hated the fact that his contract probably kept the team from drafting another OLB.  They couldn't cut either Pace or Thomas several years ago because of the cap hit, yet they just weren't getting the job done rushing the QB or covering receivers.  He's been a pretty good player for the Jets, but due to being glacially slow, has left a lot of plays on the field because he couldn't get to the right spot on the field in time.  They probably had to overpay him initially to get him here, but I blame Tanny for the restructures which made him uncuttable.

[dbatesman]

and wtf was up with that timeout with 28 seconds to go ?

 

did rex want to bask a little ?  did they not have the V formation personnel in the game ?

 

I was wondering the same thing. Was there ever an explanation for this?

[dbatesman]

Also, Calvin Pace and his concrete albatross of a contract are both ******* terrible.

[SenorGato]

Also, Calvin Pace and his concrete albatross of a contract are both ******* terrible.

 

Meh, only in the black and white world of football fandom is this statement true.

[BroadwayJoe12]

Also, Calvin Pace and his concrete albatross of a contract are both ******* terrible.

 

He's pedestrian rushing the QB and great against the run.  He's someone you'd like to spell on 3rd and obvious passing downs, but there are many other guys I'd consider terrible before him.

[dbatesman]

Meh, only in the black and white world of football fandom is this statement true.

 

Yes, how foolish of me. What I meant to say was: Calvin Pace is a half-decent two-way OLB to whom the Jets have paid $25 million and counting.

[SenorGato]

Yes, how foolish of me. What I meant to say was: Calvin Pace is a half-decent two-way OLB to whom the Jets have paid $25 million and counting.

I bet that wasn't even so hard to do. 

[BurnleyJet]

I love pressure throug the middle, it's better then off the edge, right up the gut in the Q.B's face. It takes time to come off the edge right through the Guard or Center is almost instant. This units going to be very special.

[ECURB]

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