Two wizened Jets fans jump on the Bevell Train: How to fix the Jets

[RSJ]

Cool.  I'm sure that 3rd HC job is just around the corner!

 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/85843/eric-mangini-fitting-in-with-49ers

 

 

Eric Mangini fitting in with 49ers

September, 13, 2013

SEP 13

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By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

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SANTA CLARA, Calif. – The San Francisco 49ers made a curious addition to their program this offseason when they hired two-time former NFL head coach Eric Mangini as an offensive consultant. 

Mangini

Mangini, who spent the past two seasons as an ESPN analyst, is a defensive specialist. However, he was brought in to help the offense deal with defenses. So far, the arrangement seems to be working. 

Thursday, San Francisco offensive coordinator Greg Roman raved about Mangini. He credited Mangini for his help in the team’s 34-28 Week 1 victory over Green Bay. Listening to Roman talk, it appears Mangini has a bigger role than his title might suggest. He’s part of the mix, not just an occasional voice. 

“He’s been great,” Roman said of Mangini. “Very, very thorough work put in, really on us and the opponent. And he contributed to the game plan last week, as he will every week. And during the game, he’s in the booth with us, helping us upstairs, helping communicate what’s going on and what just happened or whatnot between series. So, he’s doing a great job. 

"Oh yeah, he’s part of our staff. And he’s up there, eyes on the defense, and between series we’ll get together and talk.” 

Smart people do smart things. That’s what head coach Jim Harbaugh and company did by bringing in Mangini. 

By working with the offense, he is giving the unit a strong feel on opposing defenses and how to exploit them. Mangini thinks like a defensive coordinator, but now from an offensive viewpoint. This could become a bigger trend in the NFL -- or put Mangini back on the map for a bigger role in the future.

[RSJ]

Under Woody, Rex survived a 2012 season that would have gotten any other coach blacklisted from the league. Mangini was 8-3 at one point before his QB got hurt. As for Cleveland, name the last head coach that held that job that had any success.

 

I agree 1 million percent with this.

[sourceworx]

Darrel Bevell will turn Kyle Wilson into Deion Sanders. Just you wait.

[Jetsfan80]

Mangini was 8-3 at one point 

 

Amazing what coaches can do with a Hall of Fame QB.  How did he look before that season?  Did Rex ever have a 4-12 campaign?  How would Mangini have done with Mark Sanchez at QB?

[Larz]

I said 2 weeks ago the 2 games with Miami in December will decide rex's fate

 

TS, if they lose to Miami I'll take bevels neighbor over rex, lol

[RSJ]

Amazing what coaches can do with a Hall of Fame QB.  How did he look before that season?  Did Rex ever have a 4-12 campaign?  How would Mangini have done with Mark Sanchez at QB?

 

Ever take a look at the roster he took over with the Jets vs the one that Rex took over? 

[T0mShane]

Amazing what coaches can do with a Hall of Fame QB. How did he look before that season? Did Rex ever have a 4-12 campaign? How would Mangini have done with Mark Sanchez at QB?

Mangini would not have had Mark Sanchez on his team. If you'll recall, he was big on character. I'm not going to argue that Mangini is/was a better head coach than Rex. I'm arguing that since Rex got a fifth year off of the abortion that was 2012, it's hard to believe that Mangini wasn't fired for reasons other than the on-the-field product. Woody needed to sell seats, so be hired a carnival barker. Guess what? Five years later, the carnival barker still isn't selling any seats.

[T0mShane]

I said 2 weeks ago the 2 games with Miami in December will decide rex's fate

TS, if they lose to Miami I'll take bevels neighbor over rex, lol

I don't trust Woody Johnson to do anything smart. Ever.

[RSJ]

Mangini would not have had Mark Sanchez on his team. If you'll recall, he was big on character. I'm not going to argue that Mangini is/was a better head coach than Rex. I'm arguing that since Rex got a fifth year off of the abortion that was 2012, it's hard to believe that Mangini wasn't fired for reasons other than the on-the-field product. Woody needed to sell seats, so be hired a carnival barker. Guess what? Five years later, the carnival barker still isn't selling any seats.

 

Woody doesnt want Mangini/Belicheck types running his team. A jets season is treated no differently that the releasing of a new product. Hype, hype, hype. Then you find out that band aids with Barney on them really dont stop the bleeding any better than the old tan ones.

[sourceworx]

Boyitellya, wait till Darrel Bevell turns Geno into a superstar. The guy can flat-out COACH.

[Lizard King]

I cant help but think that being lost in all of this, is John Harbaugh's remarkable success in Baltimore although he only coached the Special Teams and Defensive Backs for Philly in his prior position. I dont think being a rookie coach should be discounted so quickly. The competence in the front office should be scrutinized though in the same logic.

[jack48]

Did the Niners defense decline when that dumped Singletary and hired Harbaugh? If anything, a better offense will help this defense. Also, this defense isn't that great in the first place.

Right. Like our secondary could get worse.

[RSJ]

Is it possible that Idzik is here because Woody couldnt get over how packed Seattle's new stadium was last season when the Jets visited, then followed that up with a half full brand new stadium in New Jersey? 

[stoicsentry]

I'm flattered.  Here you go:

 

1)  The New York Jets biggest problem is the QB position.  Rex has made a career of winning despite his QB which is probably the most difficult way to win in all of Football.  Just go ask the super bowl winning awesome great Head Coach Mike McCarthy how easy it is to rack up wins with out Rodgers.   

2)  Geno Smith is terrible.  Terrible.  He's not an NFL QB. Idzik is a moron going into this season with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith and proceeding to surround them with the worst skills players in the league.  Nobody in the NFL wins with Geno as their QB and this offense.  Nobody.

 

3)  No.  You dont extend him based on 11 games.  While the coaching has been spectacular thus far you still have to see how they finish the season before extending.  I think Rex is top notch and the Jets will be hard pressed to find a better replacement but you dont extend him now.  The talent on this team is terrible.  The one area that is exceeding is Rex's bread and butter.  Find him some offense, but most importantly, a QB and the sky is the limit.  He's right for this team.

4)  Depends on who's there.  The Jets are desperate for talent so just about anything other then DL will help significantly, assuming Idzik doesnt continue to blow the draft.

 

^^^Most of this is accurate.

 

Here's the question I would ask the Rex haters: if he gets fired here, how many days until he gets a call from another team about a head coaching job?

 

 

 

T0mShane: Under Woody, Rex survived a 2012 season that would have gotten any other coach blacklisted from the league.

How many coaches have been "blacklisted from the league" for a 6-10 season? How about a 6-10 season in which they lost their biggest playmakers on both sides of the ball early in the season?

[T0mShane]

^^^Most of this is accurate.

Here's the question I would ask the Rex haters: if he gets fired here, how many days until he gets a call from another team about a head coaching job?

More days than Herm and Mangini did. Maybe less than Kotite did.

How many coaches have been "blacklisted from the league" for a 6-10 season? How about a 6-10 season in which they lost their biggest playmakers on both sides of the ball early in the season?

Buttfumble.

[77DRAFT]

Rex has an offensive philosophy similar to many others that failed,

and just doesn't see the game well enough from an offensive 

perspective, Rex is not a loser by any stretch, but he has had terrible

offenses and chose Sanchez, and he makes too many blunders like

Cotchery, Sanchez injury, the list is too long.

[T0mShane]

Just looked this up. If you want to know whether or not Woody will fire Rex, here's the #1 stat that will do it:

[Lupz27]

http://thebiglead.com/2013/11/29/how-to-fix-the-jets-replacing-rex-ryan-with-an-offensive-coach-for-starters/

I thought you were talking about you, and me when I read the Thread title

[sourceworx]

I thought you were talking about you, and me when I read the Thread title

He was.

The guys in the article didn't say they wanted Bevel to replace Rex. They liked an established coach like Whisenhunt.

[Lupz27]

Did the Niners defense decline when that dumped Singletary and hired Harbaugh? If anything, a better offense will help this defense. Also, this defense isn't that great in the first place.

For this to work the Jets need to get a Rex Ryan D coach to stay as D-Coordinator, that is going to be hard thou as Rex will have them all hired moved in, and digging up the 2009 game plans while sipping iced tea, and eating peanut M&M's in Tampa Bay before Idzik even holds his first interview!

[sourceworx]

For this to work the Jets need to get a Rex Ryan D coach to stay as D-Coordinator, that is going to be hard thou as Rex will have them all hired moved in, and digging up the 2009 game plans while sipping iced tea, and eating peanut M&M's in Tampa Bay before Idzik even holds his first interview!

They won't want to work for a know-nothing whose only claim to fame was washing Brett Favre's taint for a few years in Green Bay.

[Bugg]

Tom Coughlin still has a job.

2 rings helps. And not sure Coughlin is nearly the hardass Mangini is/was. The media build that up more than reality. Once the "five minutes early or else' things was dropped seems to have been a less angry place. He also has a real GM to leaven things a bit. He yells a lot; so did Parcells. There are people who literally talk like that sometimes. That's a far cry from calling guys out at meetings to embarrass and berate them every day. Mangini does that a lot. Coughlin is an old crotchy guy, but don't think he's that kind of douchebag.May very well be that the Jints' players have tuned him out and he's done, but hard to argue with the result.

[Lupz27]

Joe Gibbs was a great coach, indeed. But if the great quarterback alone wins you rings, then Peyton Manning would have more than one. Brady would have won something in the last eight years. Joe Flacco and Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger aren't great, immortal quarterbacks. A lot more goes into coaching a team than waiting around for a ready-made great and magical quarterback to fall from the sky into your locker room.

A lot of it is either the great and magical QB like Peyton, and Brady, or an above average QB morphing into a magical QB for a 4-6 game stretch like Eli, Ben, and Flacco even thou their not all time great QB's like the other 2!

[Lupz27]

They won't want to work for a know-nothing whose only claim to fame was washing Brett Favre's taint for a few years in Green Bay.

Listen I get not wanting a rookie HC, and won't argue with you about that. But to not look at what Bevell did last year with a rookie QB, and understand that he transformed his whole offense on the fly mid season to accommodate his QB's strengths, and then see the results it has had since (50+ points in 3 games in the 2nd half of last season), and a 10-1 start this year.

All I'm saying is don't trash him to prove your point with your agenda when you really don't know if he would make a good coach, or not.

[Bugg]

^^^Most of this is accurate.

 

Here's the question I would ask the Rex haters: if he gets fired here, how many days until he gets a call from another team about a head coaching job?

 

 

 

How many coaches have been "blacklisted from the league" for a 6-10 season? How about a 6-10 season in which they lost their biggest playmakers on both sides of the ball early in the season?

"I'm so great I'm not only going to ignore industrywide trends, I'm going to pretend the competition doesn't matter at all". What owner or franchise is signing up for this kind of offense? It's a pass first NFL; how do you sell your fan base on 3 yards and a cloud of dust? Wrecks is a a beeper salesman in an  i  phone world. Wrecks is  F__in' joke. 

[sourceworx]

Listen I get not wanting a rookie HC, and won't argue with you about that. But to not look at what Bevell did last year with a rookie QB, and understand that he transformed his whole offense on the fly mid season to accommodate his QB's strengths, and then see the results it has had since (50+ points in 3 games in the 2nd half of last season), and a 10-1 start this year.

All I'm saying is don't trash him to prove your point with your agenda when you really don't know if he would make a good coach, or not.

http://forums.kffl.com/threads/291458-Fire-Darrell-Bevell!

T0m said to talk to Cardinal fans about Whisenhunt. Well read this. Sounds like another Brian Schottenheimer.

[T0mShane]

http://forums.kffl.com/threads/291458-Fire-Darrell-Bevell!

T0m said to talk to Cardinal fans about Whisenhunt. Well read this. Sounds like another Brian Schottenheimer.

That thread was started in 2011. The OP wrote this:

So, when we get our QBotF, let's give him at least a decent OC. It's not like we have that QB now and he'll have to learn a new scheme in as many seasons, and heck, with the shortened offseason, it's not like any of the players here have really dug in and learned this scheme. Or, if they have, it must be so bad that **** it, a new one could only help anyway.

Guy's a regular old genius psychic, I'd say.

UPDATE: just read through that whole (two page) thread. The last post was over a year ago. What happened to all those guys? They seemed smart.

[sourceworx]

Guy will lose this team in a heartbeat

http://inagist.com/all/391254273117265920/

[Larz]

Guy will lose this team in a heartbeat

http://inagist.com/all/391254273117265920/

 

hahaha   calls a pass with beast mode in the game.  what a cutie pie

 

with that said if rex loses to Miami i'll let TS run the team next year, lol

[Beaver]

Don't forget TS wanted Tannenbaum fired last year and to "suck for Geno".   He got his wish and look at where we are.

[Jetsfan80]

Don't forget TS wanted Tannenbaum fired last year and to "suck for Geno".   He got his wish and look at where we are.

 

Tom blamed most of our struggles on Tannenbaum.  Yet now the argument switched to "Well Tannenbaum did better things when Mangini was here".  What a crock.

[T0mShane]

Don't forget TS wanted Tannenbaum fired last year and to "suck for Geno". He got his wish and look at where we are.

Where's Tannenbaum now?

[T0mShane]

Tom blamed most of our struggles on Tannenbaum. Yet now the argument switched to "Well Tannenbaum did better things when Mangini was here". What a crock.

Tannenbaum sucked.

Rex sucks.

When leadership sucks, the product sucks. Suck suck sucks.

[Matt39]

AJ Mccaron sucks

[Jetsfan80]

Tannenbaum sucked.

Rex sucks.

When leadership sucks, the product sucks. Suck suck sucks.

 

Can we fire Woody Johnson?