#27TheDominator Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 LOL trading down for Doug Jolley, then picking a kicker with that second round pick. Definitely not one of Bradway's finer moments. That draft showed what was wrong and what was right with Bradway. He traded #26 and our 7th which was used on Cassell for Jolley, the 2nd used on Nugent and two 6ths. One was Cedric Houston, the other was used to trade up in the 4th for Rhodes. Sure his first two picks in the draft were Nugent and Miller, but he did add Rhodes, Pouha in the 3rd and Joel Dreesen in the 6th. If I were GM I would see who Bradway was wetting himself about trading up for and rather than trading up, if he was still there when I picked I'd probably pull the trigger. May have been what they were doing with Wilson in 2012, but he was gone 3 picks before. Maybe they would have taken Wilson over Demario Davis. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yep. You don't want him making any final decisions on personnel, and you certainly don't want him handling contracts (see L. Coles, and C. Morton), but his input on draft prospects is pretty valuable. Fortunately, the person actually responsible for negotiating those contracts works for the Dolphins now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Tannenbaum routinely gets bashed for this here. It is a valid criticism, but there was some merit to using this method during the "window" The Jets roster (except QB) was pretty strong. It made sense to forego some lower picks for players that you knew could make an impact - like Greene. As you state, the issue is that trading picks for players (Shepard, Cro, Edwards, Holmes) eventually forces your hand on contracts. It would have been better to just draft a decent CB than to keep trading for one. I think Tannenbaum's philosophy started okay, but he made a huge error with Sanchez and fell too in love with the trade up after his early successes in Revis and Harris. Bashing Tannenbaum is so 2012. The Jets are entering into a pretty brand new era, it only makes sense to critique where the last one went wrong so we'll know what to bitch about going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 That draft showed what was wrong and what was right with Bradway. He traded #26 and our 7th which was used on Cassell for Jolley, the 2nd used on Nugent and two 6ths. One was Cedric Houston, the other was used to trade up in the 4th for Rhodes. Sure his first two picks in the draft were Nugent and Miller, but he did add Rhodes, Pouha in the 3rd and Joel Dreesen in the 6th. If I were GM I would see who Bradway was wetting himself about trading up for and rather than trading up, if he was still there when I picked I'd probably pull the trigger. May have been what they were doing with Wilson in 2012, but he was gone 3 picks before. Maybe they would have taken Wilson over Demario Davis. Who knows. Wow I forgot about Cedric Houston. That guy could have turned into a good running back if he hadn't given up on football. But that draft was classic Bradway. The trades/picks at the top half of the draft were terrible, while the bottom half was pretty solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Fortunately, the person actually responsible for negotiating those contracts works for the Dolphins now. Both were embarrassing. Bradway tendered Coles at a lower amount, where if a team signed him they only gave up their first rounder, as opposed to their first and third round picks. Then he screwed up the paperwork on Chad Morton's offer, and Washington snatched him up without having to give up anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Fortunately, the person actually responsible for negotiating those contracts works for the Dolphins now. whoa what hi hello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Both were embarrassing. Bradway tendered Coles at a lower amount, where if a team signed him they only gave up their first rounder, as opposed to their first and third round picks. Then he screwed up the paperwork on Chad Morton's offer, and Washington snatched him up without having to give up anything. Again, not Bradway's department, and frankly getting a first-rounder for Coles instead of keeping him for an extra year at 1.5M then losing him for nothing was probably one of Tannenbaum's better moves anyway. Dawn Aponte wrote Chad Morton's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I actually love that Bradway is here still. It can be written in stone that he has a real eye for talent, and its hard as **** to find good scouts and draft guys. As its been almost a decade since he was last the GM here you haven to be a little crazy to even care at this point. I was ecstatic about the Graves hire. The Cardinals never could get the pub they deserved fornfinding draft talent during the 2000s. I'm so annoyed at how late I am to the mid round thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I'm so annoyed at how late I am to the mid round thing. Yeah, I know we were all surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yeah, I know we were all surprised. Not you I bet. You KNEW, just like you did with Bevell. Does the line even end for that special little guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Not you I bet. You KNEW, just like you did with Bevell. Does the line even end for that special little guy? Super Bowl prep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Super Bowl prep. That does about cover why nobody waited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexiRoll6 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The mid and late rounders we used on OL were all disasters, that really hurt. Winters was just brutal at times and his ceiling looks like it's marginally average. Ivory was a pleasant addition but the problem with trading away the 4th is you lose out on a good prospect on the cheap. My concern is that we only get a couple years out of him when that pick could have been used on something longer term. It's easy to bitch about Geno and Milliner, it really is, but honestly it's just too hard to be totally disattisfied with a draft where it's looking like we landed the best player in it. I disagree that Winters was that bad. He struggled some yes, but to say he was awful is never to have seen Wayne Hunter play. Now THAT was awful. I think B+ is a solid grade. And BTW his name is spelled Kiper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I disagree that Winters was that bad. He struggled some yes, but to say he was awful is never to have seen Wayne Hunter play. Now THAT was awful. I think B+ is a solid grade. And BTW his name is spelled Kiper. Wayne Hunter is not the guard that cost us a season. Wayne Hunter is the tackle that cost us a season. The guard that cost us a season was Adrien Clarke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I disagree that Winters was that bad. He struggled some yes, but to say he was awful is never to have seen Wayne Hunter play. Now THAT was awful. I think B+ is a solid grade. And BTW his name is spelled Kiper. He has absolutely been that bad. PFF had him as the 5th lowest graded guard of the season out of over 70. He had his best performance of the season against Miami (the only game where he finished with a +1 grade), which may be indiciative of something, but certainly nothing to rely on going into 2014. As far as a grade on the season goes, I suppose if you're being generous you could give him a D+ for being OK in the running game, but he was a complete disaster in pass protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 He has absolutely been that bad. PFF had him as the 5th lowest graded guard of the season out of over 70. He had his best performance of the season against Miami (the only game where he finished with a +1 grade), which may be indiciative of something, but certainly nothing to rely on going into 2014. As far as a grade on the season goes, I suppose if you're being generous you could give him a D+ for being OK in the running game, but he was a complete disaster in pass protection. Yeah, based on what was hopefully a late season sign of progress you absolutely let the kid come in and compete for a starting spot in camp, but the key there is competition. No need to blindly consider it "his job" and hand him the spot as if he's some proven established veteran. It's not like guard is the most difficult of positions to find an at least a somewhat competent option in FA for fairly cheap. Wasn't the contract Slauson signed with the Bears last year at or around vet minimum (which I still don't know why they didn't retain him)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Yeah, based on what was hopefully a late season sign of progress you absolutely let the kid come in and compete for a starting spot in camp, but the key there is competition. No need to blindly consider it "his job" and hand him the spot as if he's some proven established veteran. It's not like guard is the most difficult of positions to find an at least a somewhat competent option in FA for fairly cheap. Wasn't the contract Slauson signed with the Bears last year at or around vet minimum (which I still don't know why they didn't retain him)? Because cutting Vladimir Ducasse wouldn't have made the Jets any better or some ******* sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Slausen was paid handsomely. That's why we'll get a 5th rd. comp pick for him. Name Team TotalValue APY Guarantee GuaranteePer/Year PercentGuaranteed Free AgentMatt Slauson Bears $12,800,000 $3,200,000 $3,900,000 $975,000 30.5% 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Yeah, based on what was hopefully a late season sign of progress you absolutely let the kid come in and compete for a starting spot in camp, but the key there is competition. No need to blindly consider it "his job" and hand him the spot as if he's some proven established veteran. It's not like guard is the most difficult of positions to find an at least a somewhat competent option in FA for fairly cheap. Wasn't the contract Slauson signed with the Bears last year at or around vet minimum (which I still don't know why they didn't retain him)? See post above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Of course the only mystery left to solve is exactly how that much empty space made its way into the text box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 How do you get a compensatory pick for a contract signed by a player that was on another team the prior season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 See post above His new contract from a few weeks back was nice, but pretty sure he got absolute peanuts last year, which is what the Jets comp pick would be based on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Slausen was paid handsomely. That's why we'll get a 5th rd. comp pick for him. Name Team TotalValue APY Guarantee GuaranteePer/Year PercentGuaranteed Free Agent Matt Slauson Bears $12,800,000 $3,200,000 $3,900,000 $975,000 30.5% 2018 3.9M guaranteed, 975 base a year. Cheap for a starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 3.9M guaranteed, 975 base a year. Cheap for a starter Pretty good for a Guard in this league. Ranks top 20 for his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Of course the only mystery left to solve is exactly how that much empty space made its way into the text box. I started scrolling two days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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