eboozer Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 New York Jets http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10324666/nfl-mel-kiper-regrading-2013-nfl-draft Post-draft grade: B Summary: I summarized the Jets' draft in April by writing: "I wanted the Jets to get a safety, but I still think they deserve a pretty good grade for hitting a few big needs. Now, they need to be patient with Smith." A season later, I'd say they still need a safety, but get a slight bump because they hit a huge home run with Richardson, who didn't just play like a good rookie, but like a Pro Bowl-caliber 3-4 defensive end, and is arguably already one of the best run-stoppers in the NFL. But the grade can't climb much because of two things: One, Milliner struggled mightily, and some of the technical issues I said he'd have to clean up were even bigger than I thought. There's no doubting his talent, and I won't take back that I had him the highest-graded cornerback in the draft, but there's work to be done. (It does help his cause that there wasn't a great rookie cornerback to be found this season. Really. It's a tough transition.) Two, my comment on them needing to be patient with Smith still stands, but you have to wonder just how patient. He had some good moments in 2013, but look at the overall profile, and you're not talking about a player who starts for almost any other team. I said Winters would start and he did, and Bohanon is also a good player. Good draft, but the grade only inches up thanks to Richardson and value added late as we wait on Milliner and Smith. New grade: B+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 If Milliner and Geno come on strong in year two.... A+ Can anybody, who's an Insider post the rest of the division and I'd be curious of the Rams and Minnesota grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 New York Jets http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10324666/nfl-mel-kiper-regrading-2013-nfl-draft Post-draft grade: B Summary: I summarized the Jets' draft in April by writing: "I wanted the Jets to get a safety, but I still think they deserve a pretty good grade for hitting a few big needs. Now, they need to be patient with Smith." A season later, I'd say they still need a safety, but get a slight bump because they hit a huge home run with Richardson, who didn't just play like a good rookie, but like a Pro Bowl-caliber 3-4 defensive end, and is arguably already one of the best run-stoppers in the NFL. But the grade can't climb much because of two things: One, Milliner struggled mightily, and some of the technical issues I said he'd have to clean up were even bigger than I thought. There's no doubting his talent, and I won't take back that I had him the highest-graded cornerback in the draft, but there's work to be done. (It does help his cause that there wasn't a great rookie cornerback to be found this season. Really. It's a tough transition.) Two, my comment on them needing to be patient with Smith still stands, but you have to wonder just how patient. He had some good moments in 2013, but look at the overall profile, and you're not talking about a player who starts for almost any other team. I said Winters would start and he did, and Bohanon is also a good player. Good draft, but the grade only inches up thanks to Richardson and value added late as we wait on Milliner and Smith. New grade: B+ Kelly posted this article in another thread that I missed. She also had this added on... "When you're thinking about the Jets' '13 draft, think about this number: 3,967. That's the combined total of offensive, defensive and special teams snaps played by the Jets' five rookies -- impressive. It's the highest amount in the AFC East, slightly better than the Buffalo Bills (3,819) and way ahead of the New England Patriots (2,672) and Miami Dolphins (1,886). > http://espn.go.com/b...weaks-jets-mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The mid and late rounders we used on OL were all disasters, that really hurt. Winters was just brutal at times and his ceiling looks like it's marginally average. Ivory was a pleasant addition but the problem with trading away the 4th is you lose out on a good prospect on the cheap. My concern is that we only get a couple years out of him when that pick could have been used on something longer term. It's easy to bitch about Geno and Milliner, it really is, but honestly it's just too hard to be totally disattisfied with a draft where it's looking like we landed the best player in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 The mid and late rounders we used on OL were all disasters, that really hurt. Winters was just brutal at times and his ceiling looks like it's marginally average. Ivory was a pleasant addition but the problem with trading away the 4th is you lose out on a good prospect on the cheap. My concern is that we only get a couple years out of him when that pick could have been used on something longer term. It's easy to bitch about Geno and Milliner, it really is, but honestly it's just too hard to be totally disattisfied with a draft where it's looking like we landed the best player in it. In Ivory you had a body of work to base your evaluation on at the Pro Level. Who's to say that a cheap 4th rd. college player would give you anywhere near the quality if Ivory? Ivory's contract is also VERY reasonable for a starting running back. Here are the only RB's taken in the 4th rd. Anyone better than Ivory? The only late rd. home run was Stacy in rd. 5 125 Green Bay Packers Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA 130 Baltimore Ravens Kyle Juszczyk RB Harvard 131 San Francisco 49ers Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The mid and late rounders we used on OL were all disasters, that really hurt. Winters was just brutal at times and his ceiling looks like it's marginally average. Ivory was a pleasant addition but the problem with trading away the 4th is you lose out on a good prospect on the cheap. My concern is that we only get a couple years out of him when that pick could have been used on something longer term. It's easy to bitch about Geno and Milliner, it really is, but honestly it's just too hard to be totally disattisfied with a draft where it's looking like we landed the best player in it. Yeah, probably could have drafted another All-World like McKnight and let the beast on the loose. How can u find a reason to not be happy with a 4 th round pick that has all the making of being the best jets RB since Curtis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Yeah, probably could have drafted another All-World like McKnight and let the beast on the loose. How can u find a reason to not be happy with a 4 th round pick that has all the making of being the best jets RB since Curtis? Never said I wasn't happy. Ivory is very good but costs a lot more money than a prospect at that slot does. There's an economic side to things as well and rounds 3-5 is where you can solve a ton of problems on the cheap. It's also still too early to evaluate it objectively, hence my concern. If he lasts long term, great. If not, that's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Yeah, probably could have drafted another All-World like McKnight and let the beast on the loose. How can u find a reason to not be happy with a 4 th round pick that has all the making of being the best jets RB since Curtis? I wouldn't mind the Jets signing Theo Riddick to a futures contract right now. Kid had great hands out of backfield... converted receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Never said I wasn't happy. Ivory is very good but costs a lot more money than a prospect at that slot does. There's an economic side to things as well and rounds 3-5 is where you can solve a ton of problems on the cheap. It's also still too early to evaluate it objectively, hence my concern. If he lasts long term, great. If not, that's bad. If it doesn't work out you cut him. It was a team friendly deal... $8mil...$2.5 mil guaranteed.... $750,000 base salary thru 2016 37th highest paid running back http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 If it doesn't work out you cut him. That's gold Jerry. Gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 There's an economic side to things Oh boy. You shouldn't have come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Oh boy. You shouldn't have come back. I'm rusty. I forgot that talking efficiency stuff is like trying to eat a 7/11 taquito when you're sober. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'm rusty. I forgot that talking efficiency stuff is like trying to eat a 7/11 taquito when you're sober. NO STATS. NO LATIN. NEW RULES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The mid and late rounders we used on OL were all disasters, that really hurt. Winters was just brutal at times and his ceiling looks like it's marginally average. Ivory was a pleasant addition but the problem with trading away the 4th is you lose out on a good prospect on the cheap. My concern is that we only get a couple years out of him when that pick could have been used on something longer term. It's easy to bitch about Geno and Milliner, it really is, but honestly it's just too hard to be totally disattisfied with a draft where it's looking like we landed the best player in it. Agreed. It's interesting that Tannenbaum hit a "homerun" in the draft early in his Jet GM tenure too (w/ Revis). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The mid and late rounders we used on OL were all disasters, that really hurt. Winters was just brutal at times and his ceiling looks like it's marginally average. Ivory was a pleasant addition but the problem with trading away the 4th is you lose out on a good prospect on the cheap. My concern is that we only get a couple years out of him when that pick could have been used on something longer term. It's easy to bitch about Geno and Milliner, it really is, but honestly it's just too hard to be totally disattisfied with a draft where it's looking like we landed the best player in it. Aboushi and Campbell were abortions of a pick and I really don't see any way they warrant their draft slot. I understand our franchise has been tired of trading up due to Tanny's fiascoes, but sometimes moving up to grab a Larry Warford in the early third is worth more than Winters and a defensive tackle converting to OG. Sheldon looking like a perennial pro-bowler makes up for just about anything in the draft, but it would be nice for once to get starters on their rookie contracts for 3-4 years. I'm pretty sure Slats has mentioned it, but I don't see any way all 12 of our picks make the team. I'd be more inclined to burn a 5th or 6th rounder to move up a few slots to grab a guy you really want, rather than settle for someone who won't contribute for 2 years on a team that's void of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Never said I wasn't happy. Ivory is very good but costs a lot more money than a prospect at that slot does. There's an economic side to things as well and rounds 3-5 is where you can solve a ton of problems on the cheap. It's also still too early to evaluate it objectively, hence my concern. If he lasts long term, great. If not, that's bad. this is a horrible evaluation of the deal for ivory. if you can get a rb that is as good as ivory with a 4th round pick you have struck gold. he isn't costing us much. it was a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'm rusty. I forgot that talking efficiency stuff is like trying to eat a 7/11 taquito when you're sober. Do you feel you're overpaying for those taquitos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Do you feel you're overpaying for those taquitos? You'll certainly be overpaying when they finally snake their way to the end of your "Fire Hole" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Campbell is a conversion project that had his moments in camp last season. Aboushi needed to get into the weight room. IMO, both guys could come into camp this year and contend for jobs. If they couldn't play at all, I think Idzik wouldn't have kept them on the roster all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Campbell is a conversion project that had his moments in camp last season. Aboushi needed to get into the weight room. IMO, both guys could come into camp this year and contend for jobs. If they couldn't play at all, I think Idzik wouldn't have kept them on the roster all year. Campbell perhaps. Aboushi looked in camp like it was the first day he had ever been on a football field. He was horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Campbell perhaps. Aboushi looked in camp like it was the first day he had ever been on a football field. He was horrible. My impression was that he was just really skinny, especially in the legs. He got pushed around a lot. I want to see him show up to camp at 325 lbs, then judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 My impression was that he was just really skinny, especially in the legs. He got pushed around a lot. I want to see him show up to camp at 325 lbs, then judge him. That was my impression of Winters. Even though he is carried at 320 he looked weak and was getting thrown around. Perhaps an off season getting strong will help him. Aboushi aside from having no upper body strength appeared to have very bad foot work, and 0 technique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 That was my impression of Winters. Even though he is carried at 320 he looked weak and was getting thrown around. Perhaps an off season getting strong will help him. Aboushi aside from having no upper body strength appeared to have very bad foot work, and 0 technique We'll see, I guess. The good news is that we're not relying on either Aboushi or Campbell to play yet, if ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Aboushi and Campbell were abortions of a pick and I really don't see any way they warrant their draft slot. I understand our franchise has been tired of trading up due to Tanny's fiascoes, but sometimes moving up to grab a Larry Warford in the early third is worth more than Winters and a defensive tackle converting to OG. Sheldon looking like a perennial pro-bowler makes up for just about anything in the draft, but it would be nice for once to get starters on their rookie contracts for 3-4 years. I'm pretty sure Slats has mentioned it, but I don't see any way all 12 of our picks make the team. I'd be more inclined to burn a 5th or 6th rounder to move up a few slots to grab a guy you really want, rather than settle for someone who won't contribute for 2 years on a team that's void of talent. No harm in shifting back and forth within and between rounds. Particularly when you're working with as many picks as we'll have (though several of those are going to be compensentory). The problem comes in when you start going down the picks-for-players road. That shift in philosophy under Tannenbaum is exactly what wound up being the breaking point for this franchise. Even more impactful than the Sanchez extension really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 We'll see, I guess. The good news is that we're not relying on either Aboushi or Campbell to play yet, if ever. If we're smart, Winters too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 If Milliner and Geno come on strong in year two.... A+ Can anybody, who's an Insider post the rest of the division and I'd be curious of the Rams and Minnesota grades. Smith is going to make or break that draft. He won' break it actually because of Richardson, but you get what I am saying. He can take it from good to great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 If we're smart, Winters too. That one would sting. Missing on a guard in the third would suck. It just seemed like he turned the wrong way off the snap almost every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 That one would sting. Missing on a guard in the third would suck. It just seemed like he turned the wrong way off the snap almost every time. It happens. One of the habits that Rex and this franchise as a whole needs to shed is holding on to lost causes for way too long. It takes up roster space and more importantly prevents the organization from making sound decisions. Sanchez circa 2012 is obviously the worst of the worst but there are plenty others, the fact that ******* Ducasse is still on the roster is insane. Slauson having an absolutely incredible season really made things sting even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Agreed on Oboushi, never understood the hype except that he had experience playing LT, was found in the fifth round and presented value according to the talking heads. Apparently he was a first-team All ACC selection, so something is there; I just never saw it. I'm holding out hope for Campbell. He plays low, has enough talent to play in this league (good motor), just won't make any trips to Hawaii. The perfect sixth round pick if you ask me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_7BGrcIsjo Check out his sack of McCarrons at 2:39. He's a player. Just not an amazing one. Might make for a great OG type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 It happens. One of the habits that Rex and this franchise as a whole needs to shed is holding on to lost causes for way too long. It takes up roster space and more importantly prevents the organization from making sound decisions. Sanchez circa 2012 is obviously the worst of the worst but there are plenty others, the fact that ******* Ducasse is still on the roster is insane. Slauson having an absolutely incredible season really made things sting even more. I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on this, as it's something I've been droning on about for awhile: The great failing of Rex's program has been an inability to develop talent. There are no overachievers on this team. No Bart Scott- or Jim Leonhard-type developmental success stories (other than Harrison). Basically, if you're not a defensive lineman, you're as good as you're going to get from the second you walk in the door here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I just think while these articles make interesting read specially when your team's grades are being revised up, there is no way you can grade a draft till that class has played for 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on this, as it's something I've been droning on about for awhile: The great failing of Rex's program has been an inability to develop talent. There are no overachievers on this team. No Bart Scott- or Jim Leonhard-type developmental success stories (other than Harrison). Basically, if you're not a defensive lineman, you're as good as you're going to get from the second you walk in the door here. Rex doesn't develop QB's, RB's, WR's or even DLmen & DB's.... position coaches train 'em up. If these guys aren't developing, you get some new assistants. Rex was great when he was LB'ers coach... He's a HC now. He'll concentrate on the defense and Marty will get after the offensive players. Player development, strength and conditioning coaches also play an important role. I'm sure Idzik will be putting his stamp on this in the not so distant future. Seattle seems to stress player development.... probably why he was waiting so long on the assistant coaches contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 It happens. One of the habits that Rex and this franchise as a whole needs to shed is holding on to lost causes for way too long. It takes up roster space and more importantly prevents the organization from making sound decisions. Sanchez circa 2012 is obviously the worst of the worst but there are plenty others, the fact that ******* Ducasse is still on the roster is insane. Slauson having an absolutely incredible season really made things sting even more. Having Matt Forte and Cutler slingin' it to the "Monsters of the Midway" will make any lineman look good. Hold your block for 3 seconds and Bam! 5+ yard avg. gain. I hope we can get a 5th rd. comp pick for Slausen... that will lessen the pain of not bringing him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Campbell is a conversion project that had his moments in camp last season. Aboushi needed to get into the weight room. IMO, both guys could come into camp this year and contend for jobs. If they couldn't play at all, I think Idzik wouldn't have kept them on the roster all year. That's kinda hard to say, no? Those guys never saw the field, and Idzik has yet to cut one of his own draft picks. We don't yet know what level of couldn't play at all is required for him to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 That's kinda hard to say, no? Those guys never saw the field, and Idzik has yet to cut one of his own draft picks. We don't yet know what level of couldn't play at all is required for him to go there. I think if they sucked entirely and the whole league thought they sucked entirely, you could have exposed them to the Practice Squad, especially when all the receivers started going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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