Tinstar Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Herman Edwards lit up the room. But certain the man cannot be trusted with a coffee order.Woody Johnson's very first hire; the guy has learned nothing and forgotten everything. Simply is Johnson putting import into something that really doens't mean sheet, or is he listnening to the guys he paid to advise him and their review of Marrone's record and experience compared to the other candidates. Know this; Quinn is no lock herewith openings with the Niners and Bears. Herman Edwards was one tof the best hires at HC the Jets have made over the years. What Jet fans want is the hot assistant who knows how to run a unit, but can't run a team. That's why they fell all over Ryan and Coslett and Mangini and allthose idiots. The problem many had with Edwards was his "so call" inability to call the offense or the defense. What they failed to understand was that was the Job of Paul Hackett and Teddy Cottrell. It is the Job of the HC to manage the team, and the media and be a sort of buffer between the front office and the players. Herman Edwards was sabotaged by the Jets front office,who allowed his best offensive weapon to leave in a contract hastle, his defensive anchor to leave after the defense had turned the corner and the inability of his chosen QB to stay healthy and his buddy Dick Vermil who recommended him for a job in a place with an unstable front office and no QB. Herman Edwards ran the Jets as a HC the way a HC should run a team and he was ran out of town by the "most Knowledgeable fans in football" or so they think. I want a HC like Herman Edwards, and i think Doug Marrone is that man. The Jets will probably hire the Hot Assistant. Sama ole, Same Ole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Crazy. How could I ever "bite" on something that completely aligns with a decade and a half of history? Decade and a half of revisionist history and spin. Fans wanted Schotty fired for years, Woody kept him. Fans wanted Rex fired 2 years ago, Woody kept him. Fans wanted Revis back, Woody said no. Fans want the Jets to win, Woody hires Idzik and keeps Rex. This is just off-the-cuff, but there's plenty of evidence to suggest that Woody wants a winner, but wants to do it his way and is content to let fans endure the growing pains that come with that insistence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Herman Edwards was one tof the best hires at HC the Jets have made over the years. What Jet fans want is the hot assistant who knows how to run a unit, but can't run a team. That's why they fell all over Ryan and Coslett and Mangini and allthose idiots. The problem many had with Edwards was his "so call" inability to call the offense or the defense. What they failed to understand was that was the Job of Paul Hackett and Teddy Cottrell. It is the Job of the HC to manage the team, and the media and be a sort of buffer between the front office and the players. Sorry bud, how do you explain Herman Edwards turning the number one offense in the NFL in 2005 into an abomination in 2006 that looked just like the Jets offense the previous years? he killed the strength of that team (along with LJ and Trent Green). and it also destroyed his coaching career. The Jets won despite Herm. Who knows how good the Jets would have been during 2001-2005 had they had a competent coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Sorry bud, how do you explain Herman Edwards turning the number one offense in the NFL in 2005 into an abomination in 2006 that looked just like the Jets offense the previous years? he killed the strength of that team (along with LJ and Trent Green). and it also destroyed his coaching career. The Jets won despite Herm. Who knows how good the Jets would have been during 2001-2005 had they had a competent coach. I get what Tinstar was saying, that he wants a "whole" HC, and that is how Herm approached the gig.... but that doesn't mean Herm was good at it, he just had the right point-of-view as a HC. He was ******* awful though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Francesa and LaCanfora came out with the "interviewed poorly" report about three days after the actual interview. Cimini and Martin reported day of that it went really well. "Interviewed poorly" has no meaning as it concerns Woody Johnson because Woody Johnson has no credentials to be interviewing anyone for an executive position. Glazer was on with Francesa yesterday and killed Marrone, saying that he's "changed," and comes with a lot of "drama," implying that he's a megalomaniac now. Personally, I think that's exactly what it's going to take to fix this team under this owner. Both Quinn and Maccagnan are both described as easy-going guys who get along with everybody, which you can understand would appeal to a puff like Woody who is looking to feel included in the day to day operations of the team. Marrone wasn't going to put up with that sh*t so, yes, you could see how that would equate to interviewing "poorly." Bottom line, if Woody is allowing perceived popular opinion to have even a minimal impact on this decision, and it's factoring into how Casserly and Wolf are allowed to conduct this search, then he should be thrown out of the room. And to imply that Woody isn't completely invested in public opinion is straight up insane. The man thirsts for popularity like a fat preteen girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I like a possible Quinn/Shanny combo more then Marrone and whoever. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The ******* owner lets a professional troll influence his decisions. Did it in 2012, and is doing it now. There really is no hope. Sell the team, Woody. That what it took for you to figure out the Jets are doomed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Sorry bud, how do you explain Herman Edwards turning the number one offense in the NFL in 2005 into an abomination in 2006 that looked just like the Jets offense the previous years? he killed the strength of that team (along with LJ and Trent Green). and it also destroyed his coaching career. The Jets won despite Herm. Who knows how good the Jets would have been during 2001-2005 had they had a competent coach. Whatever you say brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Mehtas not the only one smearing marrone. Where's there's smoke there's fire. Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 All that matters is the QB position. If the GM can find a QB he's good. If he can't they are doomed. All these guys, Tanny, Idzik, they would still be here if their QBs were good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 All that matters is the QB position. If the GM can find a QB he's good. If he can't they are doomed. All these guys, Tanny, Idzik, they would still be here if their QBs were good. It's the bottom line. HC, GM, non of that sh*t matters if they can't find the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 All that matters is the QB position. If the GM can find a QB he's good. If he can't they are doomed. All these guys, Tanny, Idzik, they would still be here if their QBs were good. True and BB would have been gone after 2001 if he had another 5-11 season like 2000.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 All that matters is the QB position. If the GM can find a QB he's good. If he can't they are doomed. All these guys, Tanny, Idzik, they would still be here if their QBs were good. Sometimes unknow qb's flourish when you put them in a position to succeed. Brady was really just throwing majority of screens and slants in 2001. they took him to another level in 2002. now had the Jets had Brady in 2001 he would have been taking 7 step drops on 3rd and long and he would have sucked and gotten killed too. you cant be predictable with a young qb. and the Jets were with sanchez and geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Sometimes unknow qb's flourish when you put them in a position to succeed. Brady was really just throwing majority of screens and slants in 2001. they took him to another level in 2002. now had the Jets had Brady in 2001 he would have been taking 7 step drops on 3rd and long and he would have sucked and gotten killed too. you cant be predictable with a young qb. and the Jets were with sanchez and geno. And lost the East to the Jets.. BTW those 3rd and long downs were the one's where a certain someone could compile with a smile.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 And lost the East to the Jets.. BTW those 3rd and long downs were the one's where a certain someone could compile with a smile.. Yeah the Patriots lost the east to the Jets. but Brady continued to improve. what happened in 2003? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yeah the Patriots lost the east to the Jets. but Brady continued to improve. what happened in 2003? Hey I always liked Brady best 6th rd QB of all time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Hey I always liked Brady best 6th rd QB of all time.. Hey good to have you around btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgivs21 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The ******* owner lets a professional troll influence his decisions. Did it in 2012, and is doing it now. There really is no hope. Sell the team, Woody. Right, so the owner is an idiot for letting a professional troll influence his HC pick but he's not an idiot for listening to fans who wanted to fire the GM. Damned if he does, dammed of he doesn't I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Hey good to have you around btw. Given all the choices even Maxie's place started to look good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 All that matters is the QB position. If the GM can find a QB he's good. If he can't they are doomed. All these guys, Tanny, Idzik, they would still be here if their QBs were good. It took 3 yrs sitting on a bench for Rodgers to make an impression on the packers front office. It took a trade and loots of patience for Brees to be thought of as a solid QB. Jet fans are not even willing to give a kid who didn't even know how to drop from center the chance to find out if he can make something of himself. The measureables of Geno Smith are what you need to start with if you have any chance of finding a Franchise QB. The rest is time, patience and a stable coaching staff. It's sad to say that a mook like Rex Ryan is the closest thing to stability that Geno smith has had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Given all the choices even Maxie's place started to look good.. FYI your good friend 80 goes by nj meadowlands now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Sometimes unknow qb's flourish when you put them in a position to succeed. Brady was really just throwing majority of screens and slants in 2001. they took him to another level in 2002. now had the Jets had Brady in 2001 he would have been taking 7 step drops on 3rd and long and he would have sucked and gotten killed too. you cant be predictable with a young qb. and the Jets were with sanchez and geno. using Brady as an example is like hoping lightning strikes twice. that dude obviously sold his soul to the devil after the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 It's sad to say that a mook like Rex Ryan is the closest thing to stability that Geno smith has had. if the franchise comes out of this offseason trying to sell Geno Smith as a starting QB, I don't need to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 using Brady as an example is like hoping lightning strikes twice. that dude obviously sold his soul to the devil after the combine. Well if you put them in a position to fail it doesnt matter who's playing qb. does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 It took 3 yrs sitting on a bench for Rodgers to make an impression on the packers front office. It took a trade and loots of patience for Brees to be thought of as a solid QB. Jet fans are not even willing to give a kid who didn't even know how to drop from center the chance to find out if he can make something of himself. The measureables of Geno Smith are what you need to start with if you have any chance of finding a Franchise QB. The rest is time, patience and a stable coaching staff. It's sad to say that a mook like Rex Ryan is the closest thing to stability that Geno smith has had. Rogers was behind a HOF QB and Bree's made the Pro Bowl with the Chargers his problem was a injury.. Geno has a live arm but makes the same mistakes over and over.. That said could he become a top 10 QB? Sure right after I bang Mila Kunis.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 This thread reeks of over-reactionary views, and assertions. Quick question, if Marrone was such a great coach, why have few team interviewed him? Seems like most teams are "spooked" then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I never said he was a franchise QB. I had he had the tools of one. If they grew on tree, I don't even think the Jets could find the right tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I never said he was a franchise QB. I had he had the tools of one. If they grew on tree, I don't even think the Jets could find the right tree. I think he will be a franchise guy as soon as he buys a Mickey D's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Francesa and LaCanfora came out with the "interviewed poorly" report about three days after the actual interview. Cimini and Martin reported day of that it went really well. "Interviewed poorly" has no meaning as it concerns Woody Johnson because Woody Johnson has no credentials to be interviewing anyone for an executive position. Glazer was on with Francesa yesterday and killed Marrone, saying that he's "changed," and comes with a lot of "drama," implying that he's a megalomaniac now. Personally, I think that's exactly what it's going to take to fix this team under this owner. Both Quinn and Maccagnan are both described as easy-going guys who get along with everybody, which you can understand would appeal to a puff like Woody who is looking to feel included in the day to day operations of the team. Marrone wasn't going to put up with that sh*t so, yes, you could see how that would equate to interviewing "poorly." Bottom line, if Woody is allowing perceived popular opinion to have even a minimal impact on this decision, and it's factoring into how Casserly and Wolf are allowed to conduct this search, then he should be thrown out of the room. And to imply that Woody isn't completely invested in public opinion is straight up insane. The man thirsts for popularity like a fat preteen girl. this is all based on internet rumors from beat writers who make a living trashing the jets and playing on the fans inferiority complex just enjoy the ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 All that matters is the QB position. If the GM can find a QB he's good. If he can't they are doomed. All these guys, Tanny, Idzik, they would still be here if their QBs were good. Not with Rex as coach. Rex had two excellent prospects and burned them into the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Not with Rex as coach. Rex had two excellent prospects and burned them into the ground. What playoff game is Chip Kelly and Sanchez in I can't find it on the schedule?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Go pack Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 What playoff game is Chip Kelly and Sanchez in I can't find it on the schedule?? Marks run with Philly does lend a lot of credence to the fact that mark has severe limits. Yet we continued to draft on D. We easily could have drafted Kapernick, Foles, Dalton, Wilson just to name a few. But we were "set" at QB so goes management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The ******* owner lets a professional troll influence his decisions. Did it in 2012, and is doing it now. There really is no hope. Sell the team, Woody. For once we agree. Not only is Woody dumb he's weak. How some hacky idiot reporter who's a Syracuse/Bills fan gets to influence the decisions of a professional football franchise is beyond me. Go away Woody you are the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Not with Rex as coach. Rex had two excellent prospects and burned them into the ground. Sanchez and Geno are "excellent"? Maybe on your planet but on planet earth they're average NFL Qb's at best. I'm not giving up on Geno unlike 99.99% of Jets fans because I think he was set up to fail by Idzik's miserable off-season but to call him excellent and blame his failure last season on Rex is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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