Mo's worth how much now?

[Sperm Edwards]

Sperm don't you think Wilk and his agents know this ? Im sure the 9m savings your pushing comes up in negotiations ...they may be asking more than you think but I guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

We also have to consider the jets have been bringing in DL players and it is the deepest part of the team so Wilk may very well walk one way or another

Well they can cry about that, and I'd by sympathetic on a personal level, but they're not going to get far with it. Maybe a couple bucks but really nothing of significance.

What's the threat? They'll leave and find someone else to pay them for past underpayment while he was with the 2014 Jets, on top of paying him for his 2016 value?

It won't make a difference at all. Whatever extra he wants for it he'll then discount that same amount and more because he doesn't want to risk a career-ending injury without truly cashing in for another season. He's due to make $7M this year. A new contract will surely guarantee him at least $20M. Maybe over $30M (so hard to gauge with the numbers all over the place now). He's going to risk losing a lifetime of luxury that over a grudge that there's no way to undo? Please.

[Shockwave]

He was paid only $1.3M last year. The extra space we have now is partly because we didn't extend him last year. And it's easy to pocket profits in hindsight. For instance, we now know any severe/longstanding injury risks for 2014 are gone.

 

Long term it won't affect our salary cap as much as you think, unless you choose to delude yourself into believing we were going to be able to tie him up for $8M/year or something.

 

He'll probably be around $2M more this year than he would have been last year. Over a 5-year contract that's $10M total. Well, he was only $1M last year so that's $9M savings. And we get him for a year longer this way as well (5 years starting now instead of only 4, and the final year big-nut hit will now be in 2019 instead of 2018).

 

If Wilkerson amassed 14 sacks in 16 healthy games last year and was 1st team all pro, instead of regressing from 10.5 to 6 sacks and missing 3.5 games and not even in serious running for 2nd team all-pro, then the hindsight-complaint would be more valid.

 

Re-signing a player to $10M/year or more with $20M or more guaranteed, when he was already under contract for 1 year $1M or 2 years $8M with nothing guaranteed, is not smart management. This is one that Idzik got right.

Most clubs have a policy of not resigning players until there is only 1 year left on their deal for this reason. For 95% of NFL players this is true. 

 

But its absolutely NOT the case when your dealing with Franchise/Elite players. You dont ever let them get close to Free Agency. Guys like Suh, Revis, get to within 1 year of Free Agency and they are GONE. You lock up your young stars early just like the smarter teams did with JJ Watt, Tyron Smith, and Robert Quinn. 

 

Right now Mo, Aj Green, Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, Justin Houston, and Cameron Jordon are watching inferior players getting ridiculous money. Sure a few of them will likely stay with their teams on a long term deal. But you can bet a few will reach FA and sign with a different team wether it be next year or the year after. When you have an Elite player in the 25-26 yr old range you do not let them get close to FA. 

[DaBallhawk]

My guess would be:

 

4 years - 50 mil. - 20 mil. guaranteed

[Sperm Edwards]

Most clubs have a policy of not resigning players until there is only 1 year left on their deal for this reason. For 95% of NFL players this is true. 

 

But its absolutely NOT the case when your dealing with Franchise/Elite players. You dont ever let them get close to Free Agency. Guys like Suh, Revis, get to within 1 year of Free Agency and they are GONE. You lock up your young stars early just like the smarter teams did with JJ Watt, Tyron Smith, and Robert Quinn. 

 

Right now Mo, Aj Green, Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, Justin Houston, and Cameron Jordon are watching inferior players getting ridiculous money. Sure a few of them will likely stay with their teams on a long term deal. But you can bet a few will reach FA and sign with a different team wether it be next year or the year after. When you have an Elite player in the 25-26 yr old range you do not let them get close to FA.

Players like that are gone in the manner you describe IF the team doesn't want to put up the money to retain them.

The Jets redid their deal with Revis when he had 2 years left because he refused to show up to camp and the team was on Hard Knocks for the whole country to watch.

Then he wanted another new contract 2 years later, and would have held out again if not for punitive language in his existing deal. And if the Jets did that, and gave him a new $16M/year deal with $40M in new guarantees at that time? What would have happened? He blew out his knee in September, missed the rest of the season, and was in no way great the year after that (albeit in Tampa). Plus we also would have forgone the pick we used for Richardson.

The examples you are giving are ignoring the savings they get from NOT tearing up a contract too early. They also don't have to worry about having happen what we just saw with Arizona. They locked up their most important player and he ripped up his knee 4 days later. Had they waited they'd have saved the new $20M guarantees Palmer still gets and avoided this mess. Think they would still give him that same deal a week after they did?

It's not as simple as you're making it out.

- Players get injured. It's a very rough sport. The reasons why players want new deals as soon as possible is the same reasons teams want to hold off as long as they can. Neither side wants to be stuck holding the hot potato.

- Players hold out when that deal - the one we were so smart to sign early in the player's career - is no longer considered adequate compensation. Put another way, you don't necessarily get to reap the benefit of locking the player up early. They may still cost more (and often do) as they need to have deals redone mid-way through that contract.

- Players (especially young ones with a limited track record) sometimes regress after a career that started out so promising. Leon Washington once wanted us to match MJD's $8M/year franchise player type contract and a whoooole lot of Jets fans agreed, with their mindless "PAY THE MAN!1!!" messageboard comments that cost them nothing to command. There is no shortage of similar or better examples of other players.

You can't look at every not-made deal and say shoulda after you see in hindsight that it wouldn't have blown up in the team's face. Further, locking them up is often a 2-way street.

The Jets were smart to handle Wilkerson exactly as they did at the time.

[Shockwave]

Players like that are gone in the manner you describe IF the team doesn't want to put up the money to retain them.

The Jets redid their deal with Revis when he had 2 years left because he refused to show up to camp and the team was on Hard Knocks for the whole country to watch.

Then he wanted another new contract 2 years later, and would have held out again if not for punitive language in his existing deal. And if the Jets did that, and gave him a new $16M/year deal with $40M in new guarantees at that time? What would have happened? He blew out his knee in September, missed the rest of the season, and was in no way great the year after that (albeit in Tampa). Plus we also would have forgone the pick we used for Richardson.

The examples you are giving are ignoring the savings they get from NOT tearing up a contract too early. They also don't have to worry about having happen what we just saw with Arizona. They locked up their most important player and he ripped up his knee 4 days later. Had they waited they'd have saved the new $20M guarantees Palmer still gets and avoided this mess. Think they would still give him that same deal a week after they did?

It's not as simple as you're making it out.

- Players get injured. It's a very rough sport. The reasons why players want new deals as soon as possible is the same reasons teams want to hold off as long as they can. Neither side wants to be stuck holding the hot potato.

- Players hold out when that deal - the one we were so smart to sign early in the player's career - is no longer considered adequate compensation. Put another way, you don't necessarily get to reap the benefit of locking the player up early. They may still cost more (and often do) as they need to have deals redone mid-way through that contract.

- Players (especially young ones with a limited track record) sometimes regress after a career that started out so promising. Leon Washington once wanted us to match MJD's $8M/year franchise player type contract and a whoooole lot of Jets fans agreed, with their mindless "PAY THE MAN!1!!" messageboard comments that cost them nothing to command. There is no shortage of similar or better examples of other players.

You can't look at every not-made deal and say shoulda after you see in hindsight that it wouldn't have blown up in the team's face. Further, locking them up is often a 2-way street.

The Jets were smart to handle Wilkerson exactly as they did at the time.

I surely do not agree with your last line. Salary Cap is going up- No one is losing a player because of lack of money these days. We are a team full of JAG's and losing a young Elite player without compensation would be crippling. If we lost him because we let him get too close to FA then we were clearly NOT smart. However the vast majority of your points are really well said - and I do agree with them. 

 

I just differ in opinion of Resigning the Young Elite players in the 25-26yr old range as I mentioned. Carson Palmer/Leon Washington certainly wouldn't fit the player I am describing. 

 

Revis perhaps shouldn't be used to argue either side as he is possibly the greedy-ist player in sports today and a aberration. So I do agree with you in just about every way except when it comes to the second contracts of young Elite's like AJ Green, Julio, Cameron Jordan, Wilkerson, Watt and Quinn. In my opinion they all should have been signed(referring to the 2011 draft).  Looking at the 2012 draft class IMO the smart NFL teams should be giving new contracts to Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Tannehill, Kuechly and perhaps Chandler Jones. 

[BRONX DUDE]

No doubt you're remembering all those times you got sperm in your eyes. Painful memories, I'm sure.

Why does everything come down to sex with the guys on this site.  How disgusting!!!

[ylekram]

whats he worth? hopefully, a 1st round pick from another team. the jets have 3 defensive tackles with 2 playing defensive end and 1 at olb. the jets have 1 too many. somethings got to give or you risk losing 1 for nothing in return. not saying wilks specifically has to go, but I think a wise move would be to trade 1 of the 3. whatever works for the jets best interest

[Saul Goodman]

My guess would be:

 

4 years - 50 mil. - 20 mil. guaranteed

 

He's probably a top-50 player in the league, with the versatility to play in any scheme, at any position on the defensive line (except maybe NT). I'm thinking 5 years, $85 million, $40 million guaranteed if he were a free agent, Jets might be able to get him for a little less than that.

[BroadwayJoe12]

He's probably a top-50 player in the league, with the versatility to play in any scheme, at any position on the defensive line (except maybe NT). I'm thinking 5 years, $85 million, $40 million guaranteed if he were a free agent, Jets might be able to get him for a little less than that.

 

Just because you have all that crystal meth money laying around, doesn't mean you have to go wildly spending it.

[RutgersJetFan]

Just because you have all that crystal meth money laying around, doesn't mean you have to go wildly spending it.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Just because you have all that crystal meth money laying around, doesn't mean you have to go wildly spending it.

 

[DaBallhawk]

He's probably a top-50 player in the league, with the versatility to play in any scheme, at any position on the defensive line (except maybe NT). I'm thinking 5 years, $85 million, $40 million guaranteed if he were a free agent, Jets might be able to get him for a little less than that.

 

He's got zero leverage. So there's that.

 

We could pull off a scumbag move and get 2 more years out of him with a year to year contract worth around 10-15 mil. per year (5th year option this year and a franchise tag next year). He'd like 28 by the time he can hit the FA market. So he has to settle for much less. What he gets in return is security, a lot of cash and long term commitment. He's not stupid. He will get a decent deal from us, but he won't be able to use "so and so makes more money" as leverage, or whatever free agent has gotten as leverage. He's not a free agent, he's in a bad spot and he can't do anything about it.

[Ghost]

5 Yrs - 62.5 Million

30 million guaranteed