pointman Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Ed WerderVerified account@Edwerderespn #Giants have informed WR Victor Cruz they will release him unless he agrees to pay cut. Negotiations under way, per source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 That's what Jets should do with Brick! Hardball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 He has been injured for awhile now I am surprised they haven't already released him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 19 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: That's what Jets should do with Brick! Hardball! Except for the fact that Cruz hasn't played in two seasons and Brick is our starting tackle. If Cruz walks nothing changes for the Giants. Brick walks we're missing 20% of our OL and the best T on the roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Except for the fact that Cruz hasn't played in two seasons and Brick is our starting tackle. If Cruz walks nothing changes for the Giants. Brick walks we're missing 20% of our OL and he's going into the ring of honor and hasn't missed a practice or game in 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Any team that signs him should put in the contract that ghey @ss dance needs to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, Larz said: and he's going into the ring of honor and hasn't missed a practice or game in 10 years One of the players fans totally under appreciate. He's not worth what he's set to earn in 2016 but a lot of it because he reduce d his contract and it was backloaded to help the Jets. But he still can play, even if he's obviously winding down OL, a position most don't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 21 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: One of the players fans totally under appreciate. He's not worth what he's set to earn in 2016 but a lot of it because he reduce d his contract and it was backloaded to help the Jets. But he still can play, even if he's obviously winding down OL, a position most don't get. Oh, I get IT. I've seen the tape these last 2 yr. and it will be even worse after this upcoming season. MacD could care less about nostalgia, Ring of Honor etc. He's here to build a winner. Another year of overpriced/under-performing play is not what GM & coach are looking for.... IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I would take Cruz. But it still won't make up for him destroying our season.five years ago. Thanks for the memories, Cro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Oh, I get IT. I've seen the tape these last 2 yr. and it will be even worse after this upcoming season. MacD could care less about nostalgia, Ring of Honor etc. He's here to build a winner. Another year of overpriced/under-performing play is not what GM & coach are looking for.... IMO So who's gonna replace him in your mind? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, Snell41 said: So who's gonna replace him in your mind? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Kelvin Beachum or to a lesser extent Okung or Schwartz Cheaper/ Better / Younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Kelvin Beachum or to a lesser extent Okung or Schwartz Cheaper/ Better / Younger. beachum is a 7th round pick coming off ACL surgery okung is 28 and has never played 16 games in a season and made $7 million last year and is looking at his last big contract, he aint gonna be cheap which Schwartz ? the RT ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 1 hour ago, bealeb319 said: He has been injured for awhile now I am surprised they haven't already released him. Once these guys get a Chunky Soup commercial, they become incredibly difficult to get rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Once these guys get a Chunky Soup commercial, they become incredibly difficult to get rid of. Blame Mom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Just now, Larz said: beachum is a 7th round pick coming off ACL surgery okung is 28 and has never played 16 games in a season and made $7 million last year and is looking at his last big contract, he aint gonna be cheap which Schwartz ? the RT ? You've conveniently left out what had happened between his 7th rd. selection and his injury. He was THE guy protecting Big Ben's blind side and did a very good job before the injury. Snacks was an UDFA, what the hell difference does it make where he was drafted 5 yrs. ago. C'mon your not that naive. We have little cap space and need to get a top 12 starting caliber LT at a reasonable price. To do that you have to take guys coming off injury or some personal issues. Lars I get it you want to keep Brick.... I don't. You don't have to repeat your Brick shtick everytime I comment to someone else about a LT I like better than "your guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 1 minute ago, 32EBoozer said: You've conveniently left out what had happened between his 7th rd. selection and his injury. He was THE guy protecting Big Ben's blind side and did a very good job before the injury. Snacks was an UDFA, what the hell difference does it make where he was drafted 5 yrs. ago. C'mon your not that naive. We have little cap space and need to get a top 12 starting caliber LT at a reasonable price. To do that you have to take guys coming off injury or some personal issues. Lars I get it you want to keep Brick.... I don't. You don't have to repeat your Brick shtick everytime I comment to someone else about a LT I like better than "your guy" fine, sell your guys, persuade me the ACL was in october, when will he be ready ? will he be ready ? which schwartz ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 59 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Oh, I get IT. I've seen the tape these last 2 yr. and it will be even worse after this upcoming season. MacD could care less about nostalgia, Ring of Honor etc. He's here to build a winner. Another year of overpriced/under-performing play is not what GM & coach are looking for.... IMO And his replacement is? Your plan is? And if you think he sucks, no you don't get it. As I said, he's not worth what he's owed but he doesn't suck Never mind the comparison to V Cruz is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 And by the way 1 minute ago, Larz said: the ACL was in october, when will he be ready ? will he be ready ? which schwartz ? He will be ready from what the Pitt beat writer said and yes Schwartz the RT who has plyed LT in college but has been playing RT due to Joe Thomas CAL CAREER (Career Stats): Started all 51 games possible during his Cal career from 2008-11 to fall one start short of Syd'Quan Thompson's school record of 52, making the starts at either left tackle (35) or right tackle (16) ... earned first-team All-Pac-12 and Pac-12 All-Academic in his senior season ... also named second-team All-Pac-10 as a junior and was an honorable mention choice in his sophomore campaign ... named honorable mention Pac-10 All-Academic (2008-10) and earned the Brick Muller Award as Cal's Most Valuable Offensive Lineman (2009-11) for three seasons each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 sorry I got into this again, my bad. the jets are not replacing brick this year, 0.00% chance of that. next year is his decision year not this year this was a total waste of time I need to work on my impulse control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Integrity28 said: Once these guys get a Chunky Soup commercial, they become incredibly difficult to get rid of. well he must think he is well worth the money seeing as he was giving OBJ advice on how to play last season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 11 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Except for the fact that Cruz hasn't played in two seasons and Brick is our starting tackle. If Cruz walks nothing changes for the Giants. Brick walks we're missing 20% of our OL and the best T on the roster If many of these guys actually ran a team it would be like the Bengals in the early 90s. No free agent would ever come play for them after a couple of these "take-it-or-leave-it / F You" type offers that only work in theory. John Idzik (king of the take-it-or-leave it deal) proved that you can't operate that way except in very specialized situations where there is a gross disparity in leverage and the replacement cost is low to you. And even then you wouldn't be Hard Assed Johnny from Queens, you'd say "Look, Agent, all we can offer for Player is X. We ran the numbers and it is what it is. We'd love to have Player on the club but we understand you've gotta do your due diligence on behalf of your client. We can honor the offer for a couple days until we need to make Plan B. Let us know and thanks for your time. We will talk about the other 9 guys you represent next week. Give my best to Rachel and the kids." This is a small community and a business of relationships. You can't afford to (1) cut your nose off to spite your face; or (2) routinely make bluffs you aren't willing to follow through on. Once the book was out on you, you'd be like a poker player with an obvious tell. It wouldn't take long there are only about 800 registered NFL agents, and I'd bet the top 10-20% of them represent well over half the players. You see the same folks across the table 3, 4, 5+ times each season. To have a long career you have to build a relationship of honest dealing. Doesn't mean you can't negotiate hard. But if you're a prick all the time and never budge why would anyone ever bother to engage in a negotiation with you? You'd basically just be The Banker from Deal or No Deal and people would only come to you for a starting offer they can shop around. And you'd be the 2014 Jets. Forever. Until you got shipped off to Jacksonville to run the Salary Cap accounting software in a windowless room far away from agents, players, or the negotiating table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezza Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 He had that good season then went missing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Cruz is done. Only reason the giants are entertaining keeping him is because he's a fan and media favorite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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