Did Bowles hurt Jets/Fitz contract situation?

[jgb]

I'm sorry but the premise is foolish. Bowles doesn't make the deals. So he said a nice thing about a player big deal Mac doesn't seem to be budging and reality will settle in for fitz' agent soon enough. But Mac still needs to be careful players agents live by their reputation you can't utterly insult the guy-the tough guy idzik method. Let him save face bring up the offer a little bit and tell him ok you can tell your client you got us to come up but we need to know within 24 hours because we need to make another move what's it gonna be? Everyone wins. "Winning" doesn't necessarily mean squeezing every last penny out of a deal if you leave blood and guts all over the place.

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[AFJF]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I'm not arguing Bowles was negotiating. But it's clearly been a sticking point as Fitzpatrick wants to be paid like other starters if he's going to start.

If you want to use your business analogy this would be it:

You have an employee. He's been doing the work of a manager, and managers get paid much, much more than merely valuable employees (which is his current pay scale). At his review he's told he's done a great job. Company loves him. Company wants to keep him around for another couple years. You tell him: "Hey there you've been doing the job of a manager all year. Next year we want you to be a full manager again. Now as far as compensation? We'll give you a little bump but it won't be the going rate for your job. In fact, it'll still be less than half the going rate for the job you do. We're going to pay you like an assistant. You WILL be a manager here the next year or two if you stay with the company, but we won't pay you like one."

Compare that to, "Look we would love to have you back, and we may lean on you heavily to do some managerial duties for a bit. But really, we need someone with an MBA or who can do other things you're just not capable of doing. We'll pay you like the top assistant salary in your field, and when we hire your superior we will still keep you around because we value you so much. But the reality is we are going to need to hire more people and, even for the next couple years, just can't pay you like a permanent solution. It's entirely possible you may not spend 1 day actually being the manager so we can't give you a manager's contract."

I wouldn't expect the employee to like hearing either one. But which one is going to stick under his craw, and the other (while unpleasant to hear) is just the simple fact.

Also getting paid as a backup for being a backup isn't as "insulting" as getting paid as a backup to do a starter's job, and have all your co-workers know you got shafted and still came crawling back with your tail between your legs.

But for the however-many'th-time. I'm not saying this is causing difficulty in reaching an agreement. I'm saying it can cause difficulty. And it was unnecessary. 

Bingo...glad it's not too difficult for everyone to grasp.

[cant wait]

Just spitballing here but if anything Fitz's own agent may be the party responsible, since he was representing the top 2 free agents on the market. After the Bradford deal, the market was set perfectly for osweiler to get a ridiculous offer, and letting fitz get signed for a team friendly deal would have altered the market value of his top client. Who knows though, in the end I doubt Bowles' comment was used against him considering the money that's been thrown around so far

[Scott Dierking]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Rex fans still annoyed by the assertion that Rex calling Revis the best corner in the league led to Revis' holdout.

What coaches should really be doing is saying all of their players suck, and should be scrubs. That will help the salary cap tremendously.

Can't believe everyone is not doing it. Such a simple concept.

[BUM-KNEE]

19 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

What coaches should really be doing is saying all of their players suck, and should be scrubs. That will help the salary cap tremendously.

Can't believe everyone is not doing it. Such a simple concept.

LOL Sounds like a good plan!

 

[AFJF]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Rex fans still annoyed by the assertion that Rex calling Revis the best corner in the league led to Revis' holdout.

Saying a nice thing about a player is different than announcing where you'll be using said player during the upcoming season.  For example, if you're the agent for a player who had a great year at RT and filled in for 2 or 3 games at LT, then the team announces they want to bring him back and start him at LT, is the agent going to negotiate RT money since that's where he played most of his time last year, or is he going to ask for  LT money since that's where he'll be playing during the upcoming season?

Fitz was signed as a backup to backup money and wound up starting.  Even hinting at the fact that he may be the back up next year brings him and his agent back down to earth before things get to the point they're at now.

JMO of course.  It won't mean a damn thing if/when Fitz is back, but call me crazy for not being thrilled about the possibility of going back to Geno.

[UntouchableCrew]

3 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Does anybody really think that Fitz's agent would have gone into negotiations with the suggestion that he would not be the starter if signing with the Jets for 2016?

He started 15 games in 2015, of course they are going to go into negotiations seeking starter money. Agents are not bashful, and they certainly do not start from a premise of accepting the least possible role. It does not work that way.

To suggest that Bowles' comment hurt the Jets in negotiating with Fitzgerald is ludicrous.

+1

The idea that Bowles naming the obvious starter the starter has had an impact in negotiations is silly.

[Scott Dierking]

49 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Saying a nice thing about a player is different than announcing where you'll be using said player during the upcoming season.  For example, if you're the agent for a player who had a great year at RT and filled in for 2 or 3 games at LT, then the team announces they want to bring him back and start him at LT, is the agent going to negotiate RT money since that's where he played most of his time last year, or is he going to ask for  LT money since that's where he'll be playing during the upcoming season?

Fitz was signed as a backup to backup money and wound up starting.  Even hinting at the fact that he may be the back up next year brings him and his agent back down to earth before things get to the point they're at now.

JMO of course.  It won't mean a damn thing if/when Fitz is back, but call me crazy for not being thrilled about the possibility of going back to Geno.

If only Bowles did not say he would have had to be in competition for his job next year, THAT would have meant that he would not test free agency, and would not have sought as much money.

So simple, really. He would have been blissfully happy and everyone would not be wringing hands.

Textbook 101 mistake by Bowles.

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, AFJF said:

Saying a nice thing about a player is different than announcing where you'll be using said player during the upcoming season.  For example, if you're the agent for a player who had a great year at RT and filled in for 2 or 3 games at LT, then the team announces they want to bring him back and start him at LT, is the agent going to negotiate RT money since that's where he played most of his time last year, or is he going to ask for  LT money since that's where he'll be playing during the upcoming season?

Fitz was signed as a backup to backup money and wound up starting.  Even hinting at the fact that he may be the back up next year brings him and his agent back down to earth before things get to the point they're at now.

JMO of course.  It won't mean a damn thing if/when Fitz is back, but call me crazy for not being thrilled about the possibility of going back to Geno.

They should be able to work it out with Fitz. Once the Kap situation resolves itself, Fitz will have only the Jets as a starting job. He has played for 27 other teams already.

[AFJF]

Just now, Maxman said:

They should be able to work it out with Fitz. Once the Kap situation resolves itself, Fitz will have only the Jets as a starting job. He has played for 27 other teams already.

Agreed..I think he's back next year.

[Sperm Edwards]

6 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Link?

You really haven't seen any links where it's reported Fitz is saying he should be paid in line with other starters? Use the googles.

 

[jetrider]

Fitz doesn't just want starter money, he wants Sam Bradford money.

To blame Bowles for Fitz's outlandish demands because he publicly said Fitz would continue his role as a starter is absurd. 

Besides, if Bowles didn't say it the topic would've been discussed anyway, and nobody knows what was said during contract talks or any other time.

And Jets can STILL change their plans at any moment so it's irrelevant. 

 

[Rangers9]

One thing you have to notice in this Fitz standoff is that old stalwarts of Rex like Mehta and Cimini have no new info. They are not being fed leaks. It's not even worth checking them anymore because they know about as much as we do. That's a good thing and you can credit both Bowles and Mac for that. There is no more circus.