Villain's Final Mock Draft 2016

[Villain The Foe]

R1. #20 Ryan Kelly: Center, Alabama

R2. #51 Jason Spriggs: Right Tackle, Indiana

R3. #83 Rashard Higgins: Wide Receiver, Colorado St. 

R4. #118 Kevin Hogan: Quarterback, Stanford

R7. #235 Stephen Weatherly: OLB, Vanderbilt

R7. #241 Drew Kaser: Punter, Texas A&M

[jdeacon]

Whats the scoop on Ryan Kelly. Does he project to be an elite c / og?

[Villain The Foe]

3 minutes ago, jdeacon said:

Whats the scoop on Ryan Kelly. Does he project to be an elite c / og?

Funny enough, he's been compared to none other than Nick Mangold! lol. 

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2016C.php

[CrazyCarl40]

I don't see the value of a center/guard in round one. There can be a similar player had in the 2nd round, with very little drop off.

I'm good with the tackle in the 2nd. Anything to get Breno off this team.

WR is a need, I don't know much about the player, but I'm okay with WR.

Is Hogan an upgrade over Petty? Doesn't make sense to draft him if he isn't. At this point the Jets still have needs at OLB, CB, and OT. QB is obviously a need but unless it's a top tier talent, I don't see the point of another project.

OLB and P are fine. Definitely need to get a decent punter in the fold.

Solid effort, but I don't hope this is the way things go.

[jdeacon]

42 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Funny enough, he's been compared to none other than Nick Mangold! lol. 

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2016C.php

If that is the case then I love this draft. It seems like every time mangold goes down we have no one that can spot him for a game or two that gives us a remote chance of winning a game. Also getting a RT to replace breno with in the second is gold.

Concerning Higgins I think he would be a good 3rd option on this team but that would be his ceiling. Nothing wrong with that for a 3rd rounder.

I think Hogan is overdrafted and could be taken in the 7th or undrafted, but if the coaching staff feels hes worth the investment to develop with petty then sure why not.

Have to love the fact we get a punter, just need to get one that doesnt screw us week in and week out.

[Villain The Foe]

12 minutes ago, jdeacon said:

If that is the case then I love this draft. It seems like every time mangold goes down we have no one that can spot him for a game or two that gives us a remote chance of winning a game. Also getting a RT to replace breno with in the second is gold.

Concerning Higgins I think he would be a good 3rd option on this team but that would be his ceiling. Nothing wrong with that for a 3rd rounder.

I think Hogan is overdrafted and could be taken in the 7th or undrafted, but if the coaching staff feels hes worth the investment to develop with petty then sure why not.

Have to love the fact we get a punter, just need to get one that doesnt screw us week in and week out.

Im glad that you can see my thought pattern here. Everyone seems to be pushing an OT/OLB in the first round. I think that the top guys at those positions worth taking will be gone. Why not get the best Center in college? We will most likely be drafting one anyway. So instead of going OT/C in the 1st/2nd round, I figured to just flip it. Get the best Center and then a tackle that can start off on the right side but has the athleticism to possibly switch to the left with further development. It's not a sexy pick, but if we get another Mangold-type Center for another 10 years then it wont matter what people think today. 

Higgins was a beast last year. Over 1,700 yards and 17 TD's last year. Production was much different but given his QB heading to the NFL and his coach leaving for Florida. The new philosophy called for a bit of a down turn. Getting him in the 3rd round imo is solid. Natural hands an a solid route runner. 

As for Hogan, I can see what you're saying, though its purely my personal feeling on Hogan. Watching his tape I think he's the 3rd best QB in this draft. I think he has 1st round talent. With that feeling, being able to get him in the 4th solely for the fact that the rest of the NFL may not see it that way is considered an absolute steal for me. Kevin Hogan is the most NFL ready QB in this draft and is probably the smartest in respect to football IQ. 

Yeah, and we need a punter! lol. 

[Villain The Foe]

51 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

I don't see the value of a center/guard in round one. There can be a similar player had in the 2nd round, with very little drop off.

I'm good with the tackle in the 2nd. Anything to get Breno off this team.

WR is a need, I don't know much about the player, but I'm okay with WR.

Is Hogan an upgrade over Petty? Doesn't make sense to draft him if he isn't. At this point the Jets still have needs at OLB, CB, and OT. QB is obviously a need but unless it's a top tier talent, I don't see the point of another project.

OLB and P are fine. Definitely need to get a decent punter in the fold.

Solid effort, but I don't hope this is the way things go.

Thanks! I can understand your position about the Center. I looked at it as him being the best C in the draft and being compared to Nick Mangold, a guy we took 26th in the draft 10 years ago if im correct. Higgins kept me from taking a WR in the first and Spriggs kept me from reaching at OT in the 1st. I dont think that there will be an OLB worthy of taking in the first by the time we get our pick. 

I figured, the best thing to do is to simply take by far the best center instead of taking the 2nd/3rd best in the 2nd round. 

I feel you though, if the Jets picked this guy on Thursday it initially wouldnt sit with me either, just because it isnt a sexy pick. However, if a guy compared to Mangold is able to be taught by Mangold for this season and then take over for him I think that we'll be good yet again for another decade at the position. 

If the Jets didnt go that route it would be totally understandable though. 

[Beerfish]

I can't see any scenario that I would be happy with Kelly at 20, not one.  Also forget Higgins that pick is being traded for Glennon.

[PepPep]

I actually don't mind this draft. This is DEFINITELY NOT the way its going to go. Simply b/c all the players the Jets have looked at makes it seem like they will go QB, OT and Pass Rusher early followed by S, WR, G/C in the later rounds. But thats fine, this is YOUR mock, not your prediction of how the draft will go. 

As many have said, I don't see Kelly as a good value pick. There ARE other very good C's that will be available as far as the 4th round- including Tuerk, Glasgow and Seumalo. And Mangold WILL still play at least 2 more years, where a guy like Glasgow- for example can take time to improve technique before he starts.

I also believe Spriggs will be off the board by the time the Jets pick in Rd. 2. I think he will go bottom of the 1st/early in the 2nd. Otherwise, I'm all for taking Spriggs.    

 

If you look at the prospects the Jets have been linked to and rumored to really like Lynch, Decker, Spriggs, Spence stand out. I think the Jets will attempt to move up a few spots to take Lynch. If they cannot or if the cost is too high and he is gone at 20, they will take Spence or Decker. If NEITHER are on the board, it should be interesting if they decide to trade down, reach for Spriggs or take BPA regardless of position (could it be Treadwell?). It would also be interesting if BOTH were there at 20. Do they go with O-line or OLB/Pass Rusher. Offense or Defense? I would imagine they go with Decker, who they can plug in at RT immediately, who is as durable as they come, who can play multiple positions on the O line, and who (contrary to popular belief) can eventually slide to LT. Rather than Spence, who many believe had inflated numbers at Eastern Kentucky and has some off field issues.    

 

[Villain The Foe]

8 hours ago, PepPep said:

I actually don't mind this draft. This is DEFINITELY NOT the way its going to go. Simply b/c all the players the Jets have looked at makes it seem like they will go QB, OT and Pass Rusher early followed by S, WR, G/C in the later rounds. But thats fine, this is YOUR mock, not your prediction of how the draft will go. 

As many have said, I don't see Kelly as a good value pick. There ARE other very good C's that will be available as far as the 4th round- including Tuerk, Glasgow and Seumalo. And Mangold WILL still play at least 2 more years, where a guy like Glasgow- for example can take time to improve technique before he starts.

I also believe Spriggs will be off the board by the time the Jets pick in Rd. 2. I think he will go bottom of the 1st/early in the 2nd. Otherwise, I'm all for taking Spriggs.    

 

If you look at the prospects the Jets have been linked to and rumored to really like Lynch, Decker, Spriggs, Spence stand out. I think the Jets will attempt to move up a few spots to take Lynch. If they cannot or if the cost is too high and he is gone at 20, they will take Spence or Decker. If NEITHER are on the board, it should be interesting if they decide to trade down, reach for Spriggs or take BPA regardless of position (could it be Treadwell?). It would also be interesting if BOTH were there at 20. Do they go with O-line or OLB/Pass Rusher. Offense or Defense? I would imagine they go with Decker, who they can plug in at RT immediately, who is as durable as they come, who can play multiple positions on the O line, and who (contrary to popular belief) can eventually slide to LT. Rather than Spence, who many believe had inflated numbers at Eastern Kentucky and has some off field issues.    

 

The Jets have been linked to alot of people, yet most of those people dont work in the Jets front office. With the 20th pick in the draft the Jets could find themselves in a situation where the top 3 OT's are gone, the top OLB is gone, the Top WR is gone and you're probably looking at a Paxton Lynch (one read QB that hesitates and isnt very accurate) and Leonard Floyd (This year's version of Dion Jordan). The approach of drafting Ryan Kelly isnt really jaw dropping, but it is efficient. 

Mangold is making over 8 million this year. Let Kelly learn behind him for a year and then let him start next year for a fraction of the price. Also, sometimes its better to go for the safe picks when you need them. Sure we could reach for a OT in the first or force the issue with Leonard Floyd, but just because we have Mangold now doesnt mean that we should be drafting Isaac Seumalo. What if Mangold gets hurt in a preseason game and is out for the season? The last person im trusting to anchor that line is a projected 5th rounder from Oregon St. 

We've already seen twice already when Mangold gets hurt or isnt in the game that offensive line struggles. I wouldnt want to draft a projected 5th rounder just to not draft kelly because the pick isnt sexy and we have Mangold. Im looking to replace him next year if I can with rookie money and free up that 9 million we would have had to pay him. Either trade him or cut him if Kelly can in fact move into the position. 

Its less about the ohhh's and ahhh's on draft night, but about rebuilding this oline with young talent that we should have done 2 years ago. 

Now, this is somewhat a "worst scenario" situation. meaning if the board really doesnt break well for us. I wouldnt mind getting the best Center at that moment. Atleast the draft will be in Chicago so I wouldnt have to deal with alot of the knee-jerk boo'ing. lol. 

Macc made a similar move last season with Leonard Williams. The only reason why we're not even sweating the trade of Wilkerson is because Macc thought ahead and simply took the best guy that just so happened to be where an incredible amount of depth already was on the team. Now he'll be able to get good production out of that position on a rookie contract while trading away Wilk and letting someone else spend 100 million dollars or whatever ridiculous contract he's looking for. 

Center just so happens not to be a sexy position, but Ryan Kelly is worth the 20th pick in the draft if it came down to it. His run blocking is so good that you may not even need to sit him behind Mangold for a year and possibly put him at right guard if he can temporarily make the change if he's an upgrade from Winters and then put him at Center next year. 

[Lupz27]

The problem I see with this draft is I don't see a scenario that doesn't involve Springs getting caught doing rails of a Hookers ass that he is available still when the Jets pick in the 2nd.

[Greenseed4]

I can see why the Jets would want to be super secretive about their drafting intentions, but they've only met with ONE player in this mock; Spriggs, and I don't see him lasting through a run on OTs.  I would argue for more BPA in the first, not a player with a 5.8 grade (good for 53rd in the class).

[Villain The Foe]

7 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

The problem I see with this draft is I don't see a scenario that doesn't involve Springs getting caught doing rails of a Hookers ass that he is available still when the Jets pick in the 2nd.

The more I think of Spriggs the more I think he's not going to get past the top of the 2nd round. I've based this off of draft projections, but honestly if Spriggs is drafted before a Conklin or Decker it really wouldnt surprise me. He had a solid year, was voted "the best Olineman" at the senior bowl and had a very good Combine. 

[Villain The Foe]

2 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

I can see why the Jets would want to be super secretive about their drafting intentions, but they've only met with ONE player in this mock; Spriggs, and I don't see him lasting through a run on OTs.  I would argue for more BPA in the first, not a player with a 5.8 grade (good for 53rd in the class).

Those grades are totally subjective. It's personal opinion, but most certainly not a fact.  People's boards are different and people view talent differently, that goes for my POV as well. 

However, someone projected Wilson as the 75th best player in his class, yet he's the best QB to come from that class (arguably). That board, though subjective, was totally wrong. Matter of fact, it happens every year. You have Gems and you have Busts. All subjective my friend. I'd take Carson Wentz or Kevin Hogan over any other QB in this class. Kevin Hogan is considered a 5th round talent. Completely ridiculous in my eyes.....but they're only my eyes. Hogan is the one that has to go out on a professional football field and prove it, just like Wentz has to prove that he's a top 2 talent in this class. 

 

EDIT: I just came across this article in another thread. This is what Richard Sherman (5th round pick) have to say about the pundits. 

 

Draft analysts are 'talking to a bunch of sheep'

Apr 22, 2016

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Richard Sherman gets a kick out of the idea of people listening to draft analysts who "have no idea." Patrick Smith/Getty Images

Richard Sherman, who was a fifth-round pick in 2011, is no fan of NFL draft analysts. Here's what he told GQ Magazine during a Q&A:

It's more funny than it is frustrating. I don't really care. I think of it as them talking to a bunch of sheep who will believe anything anyway. So I just laugh. Because they have no idea. Every year they sit here and make all these predictions about who's going to get drafted and where and how they have all this inside information, and then when the guys don't get drafted there and what they predicted doesn't happen, there's no ridicule. There's no criticism. It's just, "Oh, we got that one wrong... AGAIN. We'll get 'em next year." And people keep watching! It's the funniest thing in the world. In any other aspect of life, in any other walk of life, if somebody gets something wrong enough and they're called a professional... I'll put it like this, if a weatherman kept predicting the weather wrong, people would stop listening to him. But they keep listening to these guys!

[Paradis]

On April 25, 2016 at 6:14 AM, Villain The Foe said:

R1. #20 Ryan Kelly: Center, Alabama

R2. #51 Jason Spriggs: Right Tackle, Indiana

R3. #83 Rashard Higgins: Wide Receiver, Colorado St. 

R4. #118 Kevin Hogan: Quarterback, Stanford

R7. #235 Stephen Weatherly: OLB, Vanderbilt

R7. #241 Drew Kaser: Punter, Texas A&M

I like the first 3 picks (Higgins damn near criminally underrated at this point), but Kelly?... ugh no thanks. I love him as a prospect, but drafting a centre in rnd utterly unnecessary unless he's starting at centre, today... it's one of the few positions you take a guy that early when you need them. There's plenty of depth Centers like glasgow that can work on being Mangolds understudy... Ryan Kelly might not be a better Guard than the 2 we have, and which point it's a giant waste of a pick 

[Villain The Foe]

21 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I like the first 3 picks (Higgins damn near criminally underrated at this point), but Kelly?... ugh no thanks. I love him as a prospect, but drafting a centre in rnd utterly unnecessary unless he's starting at centre, today... it's one of the few positions you take a guy that early when you need them. There's plenty of depth Centers like glasgow that can work on being Mangolds understudy... Ryan Kelly might not be a better Guard than the 2 we have, and which point it's a giant waste of a pick 

throw him in at guard for the year and you possibly have an upgrade at RG along with the replacement in the 2nd for Giaccomini. 

Alot of people would rather take their chances on a 231lb OLB in Floyd or a QB thats being over hyped and doesnt have actual first round talent like Lynch. I'd be content with that pick this time next year if he allows us to free up 9 million that we would have paid Mangold yet getting a guy who will be like Mangold for the next 10 seasons. 

I wouldnt lose sleep over it. Sometimes you just have to make those types of picks. As for Higgins, I thought about it and I like his ability, but he's too frail. He's not freakishly athletic and he's 190lbs wet. I still like him but I'd actually replace him with Sharpe if I had to choose between the two right now. The fact that we have no 5th, 6th rounders I'd take my shot with Sharpe in the 3rd and say bye to what could have been with Higgins. His size wouldnt be an issue if he was just ultra athletic, kinda like a Desean Jackson....but you cant be a regular joe and that thin. You'll get away with it in College, but that will be hard to translate over into the pros. 

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

throw him in at guard for the year and you possibly have an upgrade at RG along with the replacement in the 2nd for Giaccomini. 

Alot of people would rather take their chances on a 231lb OLB in Floyd or a QB thats being over hyped and doesnt have actual first round talent like Lynch. I'd be content with that pick this time next year if he allows us to free up 9 million that we would have paid Mangold yet getting a guy who will be like Mangold for the next 10 seasons. 

I wouldnt lose sleep over it. Sometimes you just have to make those types of picks. As for Higgins, I thought about it and I like his ability, but he's too frail. He's not freakishly athletic and he's 190lbs wet. I still like him but I'd actually replace him with Sharpe if I had to choose between the two right now. The fact that we have no 5th, 6th rounders I'd take my shot with Sharpe in the 3rd and say bye to what could have been with Higgins. His size wouldnt be an issue if he was just ultra athletic, kinda like a Desean Jackson....but you cant be a regular joe and that thin. You'll get away with it in College, but that will be hard to translate over into the pros. 

hmmmm on one side --

take a reserve-center who probably won't play better than a our 2 starting guards, purely to save 9 million next year by cutting our best lineman (and we'll be like 40 million under the cap next year already by the way so who gives a sh*t about his 9)

OR

Take a QB who has a legitimate shot to save the franchise... 

 

Which one is a better use of our resources? 

 

how this foe, if the Jets select Kelly over Lynch, I'll pay you 100$, but if they pick Lynch over Kelly, you gotta change your sig to say I'm Paradis' bitch till next draft season... I'm that confident we're not a taking a centre over a QB... it's why Fitz isn't on the roster. Or Glennon. Or any other JAG... Macc's gunning for a QB.

[Villain The Foe]

6 minutes ago, Paradis said:

hmmmm on one side --

take a reserve-center who probably won't play better than a our 2 starting guards, purely to save 9 million next year by cutting our best lineman (and we'll be like 40 million under the cap next year already by the way so who gives a sh*t about his 9)

OR

Take a QB who has a legitimate shot to save the franchise... 

 

Which one is a better use of our resources? 

 

how this foe, if the Jets select Kelly over Lynch, I'll pay you 100$, but if they pick Lynch over Kelly, you gotta change your sig to say I'm Paradis' bitch till next draft season... I'm that confident we're not a taking a centre over a QB... it's why Fitz isn't on the roster. Or Glennon. Or any other JAG... Macc's gunning for a QB.

Obviously you forgot that I drafted Kevin Hogan, the 2nd best QB in this draft and the most NFL ready was drafted in the 4th round. 

 

You dont have to pay me anything, this isnt a prediction thread, this is Villain's Final Mock. Meaning that its nothing more than a generic approach with no ability to move up/down/trade etc. I like to mix things up, instead of just rehashing the same names all the time, but do it in a way where I can find talent that is actually worth the position where they were taken. Ryan Kelly is a 1st round talent. Kevin Hogan will be the Russel Wilson of this draft before Lynch ever becomes someones Franchise QB. I dont need to put money behind that. My personal support behind my words is more than worth its weight. 

 

Besides, if I had it my way I would have gotten a first for Wilk last season and Glennon would already be a Jet. 

 

Cant wait until Thursday! 

[Paradis]

14 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Kevin Hogan will be the Russel Wilson of this draft before Lynch ever becomes someones Franchise QB. 

Cant wait until Thursday! 

That one, you're gonna have to live or die by, my friend. I didn't forget, i chose to neglect - Mr. Hogan... Cause quite frankly, you haven't been right enough to earn that kind of street cred... You've carved out yourself a nice little comfy nook here at JN, but this sandbox doesn't insulate you from anyone looking back in 6 months. 

I understand the point of a mock, and i agree - it's not fun if we're just retreading the same names/scenarios... this particular one just happen to be a flat tire is all... but that remark you made above, that's gonna stick. 

[Villain The Foe]

8 minutes ago, Paradis said:

That one, you're gonna have to live or die by, my friend. I didn't forget, i chose to neglect - Mr. Hogan... Cause quite frankly, you haven't been right enough to earn that kind of street cred... You've carved out yourself a nice little comfy nook here at JN, but this sandbox doesn't insulate you from anyone looking back in 6 months. 

I understand the point of a mock, and i agree - it's not fun if we're just retreading the same names/scenarios... this particular one just happen to be a flat tire is all... but that remark you made above, that's gonna stick. 

Trust me, unlike others with selective memories, I've made a couple threads stating where I was wrong without the need of having someone point it out to me. Kelvin Benjamin for example. I still think the Jury's out, and he was hurt last year so we'll see what it do this year. The funny thing is, I made that thread giving him props and in that thread I even said that I felt that the Jury was still out on him. The next upcoming season he gets injured for the season yet Cam Newton ends up being MVP of the league without his #1 WR. 

I may not have enough to have earned that type of street cred, but who ever said that I was even aiming my sights at the "streets"? 

 

 

[Paradis]

Trust me, unlike others with selective memories, I've made a couple threads stating where I was wrong without the need of having someone point it out to me. Kelvin Benjamin for example. I still think the Jury's out, and he was hurt last year so we'll see what it do this year. The funny thing is, I made that thread giving him props and in that thread I even said that I felt that the Jury was still out on him. The next upcoming season he gets injured for the season yet Cam Newton ends up being MVP of the league without his #1 WR. 

I may not have enough to have earned that type of street cred, but who ever said that I was even aiming my sights at the "streets"? 

 

 

Just a figure of speech. You're push back in lynch feels pretty empty and more or less based on over exposure and lack of interest. There's few here who've aptly criticized him.

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, Paradis said:

Just a figure of speech. You're push back in lynch feels pretty empty and more or less based on over exposure and lack of interest. There's few here who've aptly criticized him.

The only thing empty was his film my man!