joewilly12 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Jets will not rate among NFL's elite over next 3 seasons, per ESPN How successful will Todd Bowles and the Jets be from 2016-18? (John Munson | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com) PrintEmail By Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Email the author | Follow on Twitter on July 11, 2016 at 10:48 AM, updated July 11, 2016 at 11:09 AM The 2016 season hasn't even been played yet, but ESPN is already looking forward to how the NFL might look in 2017 and 2018. This is mostly guesswork, of course. But whatever. It's all in fun. In compiling these future power rankings, ESPN used the analysis of Louis Riddick, Mike Sando, and Field Yates. Each analyst rated every team from 0-100 in the following categories: roster (excluding quarterback), quarterback, draft, front office, and coaching. And the categories were weighted like this: roster (30 percent), quarterback (20 percent), draft (15 percent), front office (15 percent), and coaching (20 percent). Still no talks between Jets, Muhammad Wilkerson 7/7/16 That's how ESPN came up with the overall score for each team, as the analysts attempted to determine which NFL organizations are in best shape for the future. (To be clear, these power rankings are for the next three seasons, 2016-18.) So how did the Jets do, coming off a 10-6 season in 2015? Well, they checked in at No. 15 overall and second in the AFC East. So they're right in the middle of the league. Here's how Yates analyzed their high point: Todd Bowles' path to becoming a head coach was a patient one, but the Jets are lucky to have him. He's a steady, confident and intelligent sideline presence. He has a defensive background and wisely added Chan Gailey as his offensive coordinator when he took over as the head coach. Bowles is a straight shooter who knows how to get the most out of his players. A stud head coach already. Riddick wrote this about the Jets' low point: The Jets finally have the people in place at GM and head coach to build a sustainable winning franchise that can make a run at the Patriots for supremacy in the AFC East. But none of that will matter unless they find/develop a long-term solution at QB. Ryan Fitzpatrick, who currently remains unsigned, is the best option they have in the short term. Christian Hackenberg appears to be the future and I like his skill set and makeup, but his development will take time and patience, something the Jets' fan base does not/should not have. If the front office can continue to build the rest of the roster around Hackenberg and keep the overall supporting talent pipeline full, I think the Jets have their guy. I hope I am right. And here's how Sando broke down what could change for the Jets as they move into the future: Some of the Jets' better players are older veterans with uncertain futures beyond the next few seasons. Nick Mangold, Brandon Marshall and Darrelle Revis may or may not be key contributors in three seasons. The team does have a few young quarterback options for the future in Hackenberg, Geno Smith and Bryce Petty, but none looks like a safe bet at this point. Do you agree with the Jets being 15th overall (and second in the AFC East) in these future power rankings? Sound off in the comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 We're clearly a win now team with no QB worth discussing (not that THAT stops us, lol). Next year, or the year after, we're likely in full blown rebuild and most of our favorite older or expensive talent here will be cut loose. So to answer the posted article question, yes, 15th sounds about right. Would be higher with a good QB, but we don't have one. Yet we'll still be second best in the AFC East, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 We need to acquire a franchise QB sooner than later. Why is this organization in this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Not saying it's not true but that's a terrible headline. Talk about trying to get clicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said: Not saying it's not true but that's a terrible headline. Talk about trying to get clicks. It is the truth its been 47 years and ESPNs outlook puts it at 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 9 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: We need to acquire a franchise QB sooner than later. Why is this organization in this situation? Because we either missed badly, or simply didn't prioritize, drafting Elite QB prospects. The list speaks for itself, really: 1991, Browning Nagle (2nd), bust 1992, Jeff Blake (6th), throw away pick, bust here, minor success in Cincinatti 1994, Glenn Foley (7th), throw away pick, bust 1997, Chuck Clements (7th), throw away pick, bust 2000, Chad Pennington (1st) our best chance, moderate success, ruined by repeated injury. 2003, Brooks Bollinger (6th), throw away pick, bust 2006, Kellen Clemens (2nd), bust. 2008, Eric Ainge (5th), bust 2009, Mark Sanchez (1st), bust, never developed/never got better 2011, Greg McElroy (7th), throw away pick 2013, Geno Smith (2nd), bust 2014, Taj Boyd (6th), throw away pick, bust 2015, Bryce Petty (4th), TBD 2016, Christian Hackenberg, (2nd), TDB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Just now, Warfish said: Because we either missed badly, or simply didn't prioritize, drafting Elite QB prospects. The list speaks for itself, really: 1991, Browning Nagle (2nd), bust 1992, Jeff Blake (6th), throw away pick, bust here, minor success in Cincinatti 1994, Glenn Foley (7th), throw away pick, bust 1997, Chuck Clements (7th), throw away pick, bust 2000, Chad Pennington (1st) our best chance, ruined by injury. 2003, Brooks Bollinger (6th), throw away pick, bust 2006, Kellen Clemens (2nd), bust. 2008, Eric Ainge (5th), bust 2009, Mark Sanchez (1st), bust, never developed/never got better 2011, Greg McElroy (7th), throw away pick 2013, Geno Smith (2nd), bust 2014, Taj Boyd (6th), throw away pick, bust 2015, Bryce Petty (4th), TBD 2016, Christian Hackenberg, (2nd), TDB I feel ill after reading this list...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 7 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: I feel ill after reading this list...... 25 Years of almost universal failure at evaluating, drafting and/or developing Quarterback talent will do that to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 44 minutes ago, Warfish said: 25 Years of almost universal failure at evaluating, drafting and/or developing Quarterback talent will do that to you. ^^^^^^^THIS should be printed on all PSL receipts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 This is not a win now team, regardless of QB. This is compete now team, that is attempting to continue to win some games -maintain/create that winning culture- while they get younger/faster/better thru the draft. Hopefully we'll start seeing early dividends at the LB position as soon as this year. They need Devin Smith and Charone Peake to be contributing before Marshall and Decker are declining. But it's really all about Hackenberg unless/until they give up on him and draft a QB in the first round. If the Jets are going to be elite in 2018, it'll be behind a Christian Hackenberg playing at a better than average level with glimpses of genius. So yeah, I get the #15 grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 ESPN exec: Our programming has alienated women, millennials, every minority group, and First Take has personally chased off college-educated whites. Viewership is down 20%, and subscriptions are down 15%. We need ideas, people. Programming expert: We could try to hire smarter broadcasters who say interesting things. Exec: Will those interesting things trend on Twitter? Expert: How about power rankings? Everyone loves lists. Exec: Wait...what if we did power rankings, but from the FUTURE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 ... Saving that comment for the million other QB threads ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Well if ESPN says it, has to be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Well if ESPN says it, has to be true And its on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: And its on the internet. It doesn't get more factual than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 13 hours ago, Warfish said: Because we either missed badly, or simply didn't prioritize, drafting Elite QB prospects. The list speaks for itself, really: 1991, Browning Nagle (2nd), bust 1992, Jeff Blake (6th), throw away pick, bust here, minor success in Cincinatti 1994, Glenn Foley (7th), throw away pick, bust 1997, Chuck Clements (7th), throw away pick, bust 2000, Chad Pennington (1st) our best chance, moderate success, ruined by repeated injury. 2003, Brooks Bollinger (6th), throw away pick, bust 2006, Kellen Clemens (2nd), bust. 2008, Eric Ainge (5th), bust 2009, Mark Sanchez (1st), bust, never developed/never got better 2011, Greg McElroy (7th), throw away pick 2013, Geno Smith (2nd), bust 2014, Taj Boyd (6th), throw away pick, bust 2015, Bryce Petty (4th), TBD 2016, Christian Hackenberg, (2nd), TDB WTF, all there late round picks are sooo stupid and wasteful. It's almost like there are children at the helm. Late rounders are for positions like FB or return specialist or some mid rounder with character or injury problems who fell and is worth the risk. Not for a QB who will not even make the PS. I'm only an armchair GM and even I know that you have to utilize/prioritize better than this. Further, 4th and 5th rounders border on criminal! You've gotta find contributors in those rounds, not pie in the sky. And yes I do put Petty into the pie in the sky category, sorry Mac...bad idea there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 2 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: WTF, all there late round picks are sooo stupid and wasteful. It's almost like there are children at the helm. Late rounders are for positions like FB or return specialist or some mid rounder with character or injury problems who fell and is worth the risk. Not for a QB who will not even make the PS. I'm only an armchair GM and even I know that you have to utilize/prioritize better than this. Further, 4th and 5th rounders border on criminal! You've gotta find contributors in those rounds, not pie in the sky. And yes I do put Petty into the pie in the sky category, sorry Mac...bad idea there. At least a "pie in the sky" at QB could potentially turn into an asset down the road. Kirk Cousins was a 4th rounder. A guy like Matt Flynn turned ONE GAME into a big contract and a nice compensatory pick. You keep drafting QB's, and even if he doesn't work out, you hope some schmuck team gets desperate enough to trade you a 2nd rounder (or more) for him to get return on your investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: At least a "pie in the sky" at QB could potentially turn into an asset down the road. Kirk Cousins was a 4th rounder. A guy like Matt Flynn turned ONE GAME into a big contract and a nice compensatory pick. You keep drafting QB's, and even if he doesn't work out, you hope some schmuck team gets desperate enough to trade you a 2nd rounder (or more) for him to get return on your investment. I use to think this way but I've come around. Roster depth is too important to take so many flyers on. Now I'd draft a potential rookie starter QB is the 1st or a 1yr project QB in the 2nd. Otherwise and while we're waiting I'd go the FA route for a QB. Alex Smith comes to mind as one we could have should have gotten in FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 35 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said: I use to think this way but I've come around. Roster depth is too important to take so many flyers on. Now I'd draft a potential rookie starter QB is the 1st or a 1yr project QB in the 2nd. Otherwise and while we're waiting I'd go the FA route for a QB. Alex Smith comes to mind as one we could have should have gotten in FA Roster depth is only a major concern when you don't have a QB. Investing in one position, and succeeding, has more long-term benefits than investing in the other 21 spots on the field (+ special teams) in an effort to cover up your QB problems. Keep drafting QB's where you can until you find one. Speaking of "covering up QB problems", just look at everything the Chiefs have had to do in order to make up for having Alex Smith as their QB. They've had one of the more talented rosters in the league over the last 3 years and STILL haven't won d*ck. No thanks to the idea of signing him, sir. You can't win with a "C" or even a "B" QB, especially if that QB is a checkdown machine with no guts or ability to elevate his team's play. Alex Smith is the exact WRONG QB to have for your team. He plays just well enough to get a big contract and give you hope, only to fail when it matters most. He's wayyyyy closer to being a Chad Pennington than he is to being an elite QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Hey, Its good to be old, I got a SB Trophy when I was 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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