Reynolds1029 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 So Cromartie was just released... maybe we can sign him and turn him into a safety. Even at corner maybe he can still be better than what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Come on Reynolds 1029 - you're better than this! That 1 other post you made was far more coherent than this dribble! Step your game up man!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I have a solution , get behind big and early , that way the other team runs the ball a lot . We're good against the run . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynolds1029 Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 21 minutes ago, FloridaJetsFan said: Come on Reynolds 1029 - you're better than this! That 1 other post you made was far more coherent than this dribble! Step your game up man!!! Desperate 1-3 like times call for desperate posts. I still have a little bit of hope he can be decent depth at corner or safety for us on a cheap deal. The secondary situation is critical, no depth at all and Revis just looks washed up so far. Even if he comes back near to his former self this season there isent enough quality depth to stop the pass. It's going to be our achilles heal and end our season at some point. 21 minutes ago, Jolot said: I have a solution , get behind big and early , that way the other team runs the ball a lot . We're good against the run . Maybe that was Rex's gameplan for the butt fumble game. But unfortunately it didn't pan out like he hoped it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Why stop at Cromartie? Let's bring back Aaron Glenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 The collapse of the Jets secondary is both inexplicable and explicable. Last year, the Jets secondary played much better. Revis basically played a number 1 quarter and did well except for when he was matched up against top receivers. When he was matched up against top receivers, he got torched. We all wondered why the Jets would let him get so torched. Are we that much smarter than the coaches? I think the Jets secondary scheme last year and at least for the Cincinnati game relied on man-to-man coverage by the corners. Gilcrist would patrol deep, and Pryor would either stuff the box and wait in the middle to pounce. He mostly worked. Did not work in Buffalo or Houston, and we lost those games. Marcus Williams platooned with or took over from Cromartie, and with Skrine and Darren Walls, did ok. This year Revis has regressed even worse. So with him not doing his job (basically how the Jets were without him in 2014, when Pryor was so bad), the entire secondary is out of whack. Gilcrist is being asked to make more decisions, Pryor is being asked to cover more, and obviously it is not working. Who is to blame, and what do you do about it? This one is more on MacC (and Woody) than Bowles. The secondary did not have the talent it needed. The overall investments in Revis, GIlcrist and Skrine were too high based on the return received. The Jets did not have the money to invest in additional corners. They made a bet that Milliner and Macdougal could contribute this year, and that backfired. Woody deserves partial blame for the Revis (sell tickets), Millner and Macdougal (Idzik) moves. The Jets collectively blew their wad to buy a secondary that could win 10 games in 2015, no playoffs, but cost them 2016 and beyond One would think that Bowles and Company would see this and scheme it up better. Change up the personnel, more dbs, play passrushers (Catapano and Mauldin). For the last three games, they basically played 4 run stuffers on the line to prevent the qb from running. Maybe you leave Pryor in, rush the passer harder, and let Pryor take him out if he runs. Take the penalty. The second time in three years the Jets secondary appears to be a large factor in a disappointing season, at least thus far. The season hinges now on a game this week against the league's leading passing attack. Fun times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 How did Seahawks torch Jets with so many deep balls? | Film review The Jets' secondary was supposed to be one of their biggest strengths. So far, with the Jets at 1-3, it has been among their biggest weaknesses. The Jets rank last in the NFL with 9.7 yards allowed per pass attempt. The next-closest team, Green Bay, has allowed 8.9. The Jets have surrendered 16 passes of 20-plus yards, including six in Sunday's loss to Seattle. Moreover, the Jets have allowed seven passes of 40-plus yards. Let's examine three long balls from the Seahawks-Jets film, to see what's going wrong for the Jets. The situation: Second-and-8 at Jets' 48, 13:16 left in second quarter The result: Doug Baldwin 38-yard catch, sparking touchdown drive that put Seattle up 7-3 Analysis: As you can see in the images below, Seattle aligned Baldwin in the slot, to Russell Wilson's left. Tight end Luke Wilson was on the right edge of the line, but would release into a pass pattern. There are a few things going on at once here. Free safety Marcus Gilchrist was the initial defender on Baldwin. But a slight Baldwin move toward the outside pulled Gilchrist in that direction, and let Baldwin cut back inside, splitting the safeties. But what about strong safety Calvin Pryor? Well, once Luke Wilson released off the line, cornerback Darrelle Revis let him run by. Pryor, seeing this, ran in that direction, pulling him away from Baldwin's path down the middle of the field. By the time Pryor turned back inside to recover, it was too late. Baldwin was already wide open. Without knowing the particular assignments, it is impossible to determine which Jets defensive back was at fault for this coverage bust. But it was unquestionably a busted coverage. The situation: First-and-10 at Jets' 42, 3:54 left in second quarter The result: Tanner McEvoy 42-yard touchdown catch that put Seattle up 14-3 Analysis: Another busted coverage. McEvoy lined up in the right slot, with Gilchrist on him. After the snap, Gilchrist broke outside, for some reason, and let McEvoy run by him, even though Revis already had the outside receiver, Jermaine Kearse, covered. That left Pryor, the single high safety, as the last line of defense. A slight fake from McEvoy that he was going to run down the middle of the field left Pryor turning in that direction. As McEvoy veered left, toward the corner of the end zone, Pryor was in no position to pursue. Pryor wound up falling down, but it didn't matter. McEvoy was already wide open by this point. A complete disaster on this play, as the Jets' safeties were in terrible position to stop the touchdown from happening. Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com The situation: First-and-10 at Jets' 33, 13:06 left in fourth quarter The result: Paul Richardson 27-yard catch on drive that ended with a touchdown that gave Seattle a 24-10 lead Analysis: Seattle went with two bunched sets of two receivers each, on the far edges of the formation. To Wilson's left, Richardson aligned on the far outside, while Baldwin was just to his inside. Baldwin curled back toward the middle of the field after the snap, while Richardson ran straight down the sideline. Pryor picked up Richardson in coverage and ran with him for a bit. But Richardson simply got past Pryor and hauled in Wilson's pass. A mismatch. Richardson was able to run by Pryor and create a yard or two of separation by the time they reached the 20-yard line. It's clear Pryor isn't at his best in these one-on-one coverage situations. Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com IT"S CALVIN PRYOR'S FAULT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Todd Bowles hints changes could be coming to Jets' secondary By Connor Hughes | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Email the author | Follow on Twitter FLORHAM PARK — To say the Jets' secondary has been a disappointment this season would be a vast understatement. They've been downright dreadful. Each of the four quarterbacks the unit has faced has finished with a rating over 100. Marcus Williams is the only player to record an interception. Each week, there has been a communication meltdown that has led to a big play and points. Head coach Todd Bowles is frantically searching for a fix to what was presumed to be a strength of his team. And apparently, a solution could be reshuffling those seeing playing time. "Things will be shaken up as we go forward," Bowles said Monday. If it were one player getting beach each week, Bowles' job would be easy. Remove said player from the lineup, replace him with a backup, and all will be fine and dandy in Florham Park. But it isn't one repeat offender. A different player takes a turn making a mistake each week. Maybe it's cornerback Darrelle Revis or Marcus Williams one time, then safeties Calvin Pryor or Marcus Gilchrist the next. Through four weeks, the Jets' defense has yet to play a game where everyone is on the same page. Bowles called it "alarming," especially because the players "know" what they're supposed to do. Across the NFL, many teams will try to cut down on breakdowns by simplifying the defense. When players don't have to make some many reads in real-time, things get easier. But that doesn't appear to be an option for the Jets because, well, according to Bowles, things are "as simple as they can be." "I think it's issues (where) some guys aren't as vocal when they need to be," Bowles said. "Those are things that can easily be cleaned up and they see it on film. We see it on the sidelines, and we have some things in place to try and take care of that." While Bowles may want to shuffle things regarding a player rotation, it's hard to imagine that fixing anything. At cornerback, second-year pro Darryl Roberts and rookie Juston Burris wait in the wings. At safety, it's journeymen Antonio Allen and Rontez Miles. Miles and Allen have proven to be tremendous special teams players, but collectively, none are proven on the defensive side of the ball. The Jets know they have a problem, that's a good first step. But it's a big leap to the second with no clear-cut solution. "We'll look at it and evaluate day by day," Bowles said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Gas2No99 said: How did Seahawks torch Jets with so many deep balls? | Film review The Jets' secondary was supposed to be one of their biggest strengths. So far, with the Jets at 1-3, it has been among their biggest weaknesses. The Jets rank last in the NFL with 9.7 yards allowed per pass attempt. The next-closest team, Green Bay, has allowed 8.9. The Jets have surrendered 16 passes of 20-plus yards, including six in Sunday's loss to Seattle. Moreover, the Jets have allowed seven passes of 40-plus yards. Let's examine three long balls from the Seahawks-Jets film, to see what's going wrong for the Jets. The situation: Second-and-8 at Jets' 48, 13:16 left in second quarter The result: Doug Baldwin 38-yard catch, sparking touchdown drive that put Seattle up 7-3 Analysis: As you can see in the images below, Seattle aligned Baldwin in the slot, to Russell Wilson's left. Tight end Luke Wilson was on the right edge of the line, but would release into a pass pattern. There are a few things going on at once here. Free safety Marcus Gilchrist was the initial defender on Baldwin. But a slight Baldwin move toward the outside pulled Gilchrist in that direction, and let Baldwin cut back inside, splitting the safeties. But what about strong safety Calvin Pryor? Well, once Luke Wilson released off the line, cornerback Darrelle Revis let him run by. Pryor, seeing this, ran in that direction, pulling him away from Baldwin's path down the middle of the field. By the time Pryor turned back inside to recover, it was too late. Baldwin was already wide open. Without knowing the particular assignments, it is impossible to determine which Jets defensive back was at fault for this coverage bust. But it was unquestionably a busted coverage. The situation: First-and-10 at Jets' 42, 3:54 left in second quarter The result: Tanner McEvoy 42-yard touchdown catch that put Seattle up 14-3 Analysis: Another busted coverage. McEvoy lined up in the right slot, with Gilchrist on him. After the snap, Gilchrist broke outside, for some reason, and let McEvoy run by him, even though Revis already had the outside receiver, Jermaine Kearse, covered. That left Pryor, the single high safety, as the last line of defense. A slight fake from McEvoy that he was going to run down the middle of the field left Pryor turning in that direction. As McEvoy veered left, toward the corner of the end zone, Pryor was in no position to pursue. Pryor wound up falling down, but it didn't matter. McEvoy was already wide open by this point. A complete disaster on this play, as the Jets' safeties were in terrible position to stop the touchdown from happening. Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com The situation: First-and-10 at Jets' 33, 13:06 left in fourth quarter The result: Paul Richardson 27-yard catch on drive that ended with a touchdown that gave Seattle a 24-10 lead Analysis: Seattle went with two bunched sets of two receivers each, on the far edges of the formation. To Wilson's left, Richardson aligned on the far outside, while Baldwin was just to his inside. Baldwin curled back toward the middle of the field after the snap, while Richardson ran straight down the sideline. Pryor picked up Richardson in coverage and ran with him for a bit. But Richardson simply got past Pryor and hauled in Wilson's pass. A mismatch. Richardson was able to run by Pryor and create a yard or two of separation by the time they reached the 20-yard line. It's clear Pryor isn't at his best in these one-on-one coverage situations. Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com IT"S CALVIN PRYOR'S FAULT! Im glad I am not the ONLY one seeing how bad this guy is. I would cut his a$$ immediately just to send a strong message to the rest of the underachievers in this secondary. Pryor sucks b#lls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Thanks Rex and Idzik. Ha-Ha or others were the pick there. 1 18 New York Jets Calvin Pryor S Louisville The American 1 19 Miami Dolphins Ja'Wuan James OT Tennessee SEC 1 20 New Orleans Saints Brandin Cooks WR Oregon State Pac-12 from Arizona [R1 - 5] 1 21 Green Bay Packers Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S Alabama SEC 1 22 Cleveland Browns Johnny Manziel QB Texas A&M SEC from Philadelphia [R1 - 6]; 2012 Heisman Trophy winner [N 2] 1 23 Kansas City Chiefs Dee Ford DE Auburn SEC 1 24 Cincinnati Bengals Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State Big Ten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Pryor has no business being asked to cover Richardson, total miss-match. CBs on each Wr, FS or nickel Cb on 3rd WR, the other on a 4th WR if he is in there. SS should be on the look out for TE, RB, run stopping. Revis, Skrine, Burris, Gilchrist should be asked to cover speed and moves WRs. This is not to say that Pryor is not playing badly but our scheme and adjustments suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Revis is shot and NOT a #1 lockdown corner. Which is fine since MOST of the NFL has the same predicament, just don't leave #24 solo 1-on-1 coverage. We have no legit #2 CB. Marcus Williams is a DIME CB, the 4th option AT BEST, not a starting NFL CB. WE have a DAMN good Nickel CB, but he gets nicked up A LOT and isn't as helpful when we're NOT in Nickel or Dime packages. It's Ray Mickens REDUX. Pryor is NOT a legit NFL SS and should be moved to ILB ( ala Deione Buchanon in ARZ) and CONSTANTLY BLOWS COVERAGES. Gilchrist is serviceable. He's even BETTER than what we've had historically on THIS SIDE of the millennia: Reggie Tongue, Damien Robinson, Erik Coleman, Sherry Rodes, Brodney Pool, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynolds1029 Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 6 hours ago, Ex-Rex said: Im glad I am not the ONLY one seeing how bad this guy is. I would cut his a$$ immediately just to send a strong message to the rest of the underachievers in this secondary. Pryor sucks b#lls. Then we can really tank the season. If we lose next week minus well give up 1-4 is a deep hole to come out of. The only way we can salvage the season is if coaches can get more out of the depleated talent pool we have. Other wise its 2014 all over again except hopefully without our GM getting axed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 People criticizing my repeated bashing of Calvin Pryor is finally coming home to roost. I told you so. Pryor sucks. Apologies welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RoadFan Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 7 hours ago, Ex-Rex said: Im glad I am not the ONLY one seeing how bad this guy is. I would cut his a$$ immediately just to send a strong message to the rest of the underachievers in this secondary. Pryor sucks b#lls. I beg to differ. I have probably been Pryor's harshest public critic since he was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynolds1029 Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 25 minutes ago, RoadFan said: I beg to differ. I have probably been Pryor's harshest public critic since he was drafted. I think we can salvage him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 7 hours ago, Beerfish said: Pryor has no business being asked to cover Richardson, total miss-match. CBs on each Wr, FS or nickel Cb on 3rd WR, the other on a 4th WR if he is in there. SS should be on the look out for TE, RB, run stopping. Revis, Skrine, Burris, Gilchrist should be asked to cover speed and moves WRs. This is not to say that Pryor is not playing badly but our scheme and adjustments suck. This, its back to 2014 and Rex having him cover WRs. Pryor can not cover wr and should not be asked to. It's bad coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 37 minutes ago, Reynolds1029 said: I think we can salvage him though. Nothing to salvage. Pryor isn't even worth the 8 cents a pound for scrap metal. The guy is totally useless. 1 tackle behind the LOS every 4 weeks does not even come close to accounting for blown coverages and missed tackles multiple times a game. To the bench for the remainder of the season, and then cut your losses. Buh-bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 It was a mistake to draft Pryor. His best attribute is a borderline personal foul and we drafted him because Rex Ryan has a big mouth and wanted someone to back up his big mouth . What we needed was someone who can cover and come up and tackle when the need arises . That kid doesn't belong on this team the way it's constructed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reynolds1029 Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 31 minutes ago, RoadFan said: Nothing to salvage. Pryor isn't even worth the 8 cents a pound for scrap metal. The guy is totally useless. 1 tackle behind the LOS every 4 weeks does not even come close to accounting for blown coverages and missed tackles multiple times a game. To the bench for the remainder of the season, and then cut your losses. Buh-bye. Cant try him out as a FS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Reynolds1029 said: Cant try him out as a FS? Of course not. FS would be even worse. His poor coverage, bad angles, and lousy tackling would be even more exposed. Pryor doesn't have a position in today's NFL. Maybe he could have passed for serviceable 20+ years ago when an "in-the-box" safety was still relevant, you could mug WRs during routes, and hit them over the middle without drawing a personal foul. But even then, his flaws would have been plenty visible. He does not belong on an NFL roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynolds1029 Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, RoadFan said: Of course not. FS would be even worse. His poor coverage, bad angles, and lousy tackling would be even more exposed. Pryor doesn't have a position in today's NFL. Maybe he could have passed for serviceable 20+ years ago when an "in-the-box" safety was still relevant, you could mug WRs during routes, and hit them over the middle without drawing a personal foul. But even then, his flaws would have been plenty visible. He does not belong on an NFL roster. So what you're saying is he's the perfect Rex Ryan pick a player stuck in a 80s time warp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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