phill1c Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 1 minute ago, rangerous said: do you think the jets were trying to make their own luck when drating gholston, ducasse, hill, etc? to the extent that teams do draft for need they make their own luck. obviously, unless your name is idzik, you don't draft players who were injured throughout their college careers and expect them to perform at a higher level. but at the same time, players do get better out of college if only because they age another year and get filled out. your point is well taken about the oline. it's been neglected since damien woody left and only now are they trying to get some good play and players. The Jets had one of the worst scouting departments in football. So, my thought is, even if they drafted, say Jameis Winston, they didn't have the surrounding talent to support good QB play. I keep hearing people say "until you have a Franchise QB..." Well, look at so-called Franchise QBs: Brady, Russell Wilson, Brees, for example. NONE of these guys were considered Franchise QBs coming out of college and Brady only got his chance because of Mo Lewis. Yeah, a QB has to have SOME talent, but, to me, it's the intangibles--making the most out of your talent--that makes a QB a "franchise" QB. The Jets may have a "Franchise" QB on the roster. But until they have a "FRANCHISE" surrounding him, they'll never find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 11 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: Yea it is all just luck.... Remember Romo's pre-draft rating here take a look at one snippet: http://cowboyszone.com/threads/scouting-report-on-tony-romo-in-draft-insiders-03-yearbook.156152/ Romo is a talented prospect with the tools to start, but most likely a 2nd day selection in this deep QB class. He is a quality 3rd string NFL passer with excellent upside potential. This guy should emerge as an NFL starter in time with proper coaching and some patience. Excellent middle round prospect with the ability to shine in a West Coast offense.Draft Projection: 5th-6th Round Oh and by the way Romo wasn't drafted and was holder his first two years in the NFL. No it is not luck it is knowing what you are doing!! Good point Charles. Mac was said to be highly interested in Dak. Instead he jumped on a developmental Hack. What the fak was that? Thanks Mac. Cowboys essentially were able to plug 3 raw integral pieces into their starting lineup with resounding production. Dak, Elliot and the tackle Collins. That's like hitting on 3 first round picks. Storyline: Lord of the Rings Meets Lord of the Ringless for 47 years and counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesumtenor Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Getting a franchise QB gives you time to do the other stuff, if you don't find your Qb the gm and coach get fired and you start over. No one in the world would dispute that the cowboys in their own right are pretty good but Prescott has been outstanding and in fact has not been some game manager, his play has won games. Also look at what happened to Dallas last year when Romo got hurt and they had to go to the likes of Weeden. The best thing to take away from Dallas as a blue print and even the jets from their last bout of success is to invest heavily into the offensive line. (Too bad we will be taking a corner next year with our 1st pick) Last year they could not run the ball; unidimensional football is losing football in the NFL; ask Andrew Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Awesumtenor said: Last year they could not run the ball; unidimensional football is losing football in the NFL; ask Andrew Luck. They still had the dominant oline they had AWFUL Qbing which was zero threat, thus stacked boxes thus no run game, they also had some injuries there as well. I did have to laugh at the number of people the poo pahed taking Elliot that early, a complete back. If there is anything that will sink the cowboys it will be their defense, they will get a good test this week, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 18 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Football minds yes we both played the game in high school not just on video games like many here. Wow. High school? That's some impressive stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Yeah being a high school ballplayer makes one an authority of all things football. I'd also say a good many people on these forums played high school ball, but obviously not the fitz supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 23 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Wow. High school? That's some impressive stuff. More than many is my point jocko were you semi-pro or prison team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 14 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Yeah being a high school ballplayer makes one an authority of all things football. I'd also say a good many people on these forums played high school ball, but obviously not the fitz supporters. Playing on the high school level is more than many who were band members or too busy smoking weed to bother. Were you semi-pro or prison team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: More than many is my point jocko were you semi-pro or prison team. I don't know why you're getting so defensive. You clearly must have been a talented athlete if you were able to crack a high school roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 Just now, RutgersJetFan said: I don't know why you're getting so defensive. You clearly must have been a talented athlete if you were able to crack a high school roster. And you? Mr Rutgers my guess is you couldn't crack an egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: And you? Mr Rutgers my guess is you couldn't crack an egg. That's actually correct. I can't crack an egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 Just now, RutgersJetFan said: That's actually correct. I can't crack an egg. I figured as much like Rutgers cant win a game in the Big 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Playing on the high school level is more than many who were band members or too busy smoking weed to bother. Were you semi-pro or prison team? 78% of the NFL smokes weed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: I figured as much like Rutgers cant win a game in the Big 10. That is precisely correct, Rutgers can't win a game in the Big 10 just like I can't crack an egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, JiF said: 78% of the NFL smokes weed. And when caught they are subjected to the NFL rules and personnel policy and suspended. Whats your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: That is precisely correct, Rutgers can't win a game in the Big 10 just like I can't crack an egg. Yet you can sit back and ridicule others. Whats your football resume look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 20 hours ago, joewilly12 said: How dont you build off success? How do you allow your roster to be not good? How do you not fix it? How and why Ryan Fitzpatrick? Why Todd Bowles he was a nobody? We agreed teams are supposed to improve and get better how did the Jets get so bad in this short time. Yeah, with all teams improving every year, my personal prediction is that pretty soon everyone will be 16-0. Or is the insight that teams are supposed to *improve*, and we failed to get the memo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: And when caught they are subjected to the NFL rules and personnel policy and suspended. Whats your point? Athletes like weed just as much as Band Members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 Just now, thshadow said: Yeah, with all teams improving every year, my personal prediction is that pretty soon everyone will be 16-0. Or is the insight that teams are supposed to *improve*, and we failed to get the memo? Teams improve or they make attempts to improve signing Fitzpatrick set this organization backwards the draft is still a joke here and coaching is horrendous Woody Johnson must be a bigger moron than Todd Bowles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 21 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Teams improve or they make attempts to improve signing Fitzpatrick set this organization backwards the draft is still a joke here and coaching is horrendous Woody Johnson must be a bigger moron than Todd Bowles. Will definitely agree with your last point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 38 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Playing on the high school level is more than many who were band members or too busy smoking weed to bother. Were you semi-pro or prison team? Yeah and the weed smokers and band members are also historically big football fans. I'd tell you to give your head a shake but the last half of you brain might slide out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 21 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Yet you can sit back and ridicule others. Whats your football resume look like. Played some ball at Michigan, didn't get drafted very high but I managed to stick with it and impress my coaches and we've won like 4 Super Bowls since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Yeah and the weed smokers and band members are also historically big football fans. I'd tell you to give your head a shake but the last half of you brain might slide out. Yes personal attacks when you got nothing else I understand. 2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Played some ball at Michigan, didn't get drafted very high but I managed to stick with it and impress my coaches and we've won like 4 Super Bowls since. Wow cool story bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 33 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Yet you can sit back and ridicule others. Whats your football resume look like. My sperm produce a D1 player. Only once though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, The Crusher said: My sperm produce a D1 player. Only once though. Nice do you give the wife any credit at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Nice do you give the wife any credit at all. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! (puppy whine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 So after reading this thread, is the real problem that the Jets QB's don't smoke enough weed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 16 hours ago, Joejet said: Is that one block over from Section 7 housing? Isnt that where the aliens house the humans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: Yet you can sit back and ridicule others. Whats your football resume look like. somewhere, someplace, @TehFalcon63 nods his head in approval Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 17 minutes ago, Beerfish said: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! (puppy whine) I consider this a whimper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 22 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Nice do you give the wife any credit at all. Here is the golden rule to offspring.... Anything good your kids do, is thanks to you.... Anything you kids do bad, is because of your spouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 Just now, NoBowles said: Here is the golden rule to offspring.... Anything good your kids do, is thanks to you.... Anything you kids do bad, is because of your spouse. LOL yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 2 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Nice do you give the wife any credit at all. No. None. It was all my super Crusher sperm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Well, that enjoyable conversation seems ruined in part by the moderator. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 24, 2016 Author Share Posted November 24, 2016 On 11/22/2016 at 8:28 PM, Jet Nut said: Was he the same kind of shltty neighbor when his Cowboys went from 12-4 in 2014 to one of the worst teams at 4-12 the very next season? Dont you wish you knew enough to ask him? I dont argue with my neighbors over football and he was sympathizing with the Jets being his wife is a Jets fan. Dont you wish you knew enough not to act like a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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