drdetroit Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 He's 34 but is still one of the best LT's in the game and has no injury history or at least nothing compared to Clady and Mangold We just have way too many needs to use all of our early picks on OL. Sign this guy and AQ Shipley to play Center and let the kids compete for starter jobs on the right side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 We don't need another aging vet, we need young guys. We're rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De-Jet-Erate/Duane Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, drdetroit said: He's 34 but is still one of the best LT's in the game and has no injury history or at least nothing compared to Clady and Mangold We just have way too many needs to use all of our early picks on OL. Sign this guy and AQ Shipley to play Center and let the kids compete for starter jobs on the right side I'm not sure if this will be the guy or not but your theory is right. To many holes to fill on the O line to do it with all draft picks. Going to have to get some FA vets to fill in. When Brick and Mangold were rookies we had brought in vets and had a stud O line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 This could be a team with 10 OL and 4 QB. That is ok as they rebuild. Whitworth could fit on this team. Worth the money. So could Mangold and Clady, at a price. Just the Jets' luck, drafting top 5 there appears to be no obvious top 5 OT. Those don't always work out, but work out better than QBs. We have been looking for a 1st round OL for the last 5 years. I don't think this is the year we get one, unless we beat the Pats and Bills and end up with a pick where it makes sense to pick Robinson or the guy from Wisconsin (i bet the guy from Wisconsin ends up good, from prior experience). Stepping back from it, there are others on this team that could make the line work (Shell, Qvale, Winters, Johnson, Dozier, Iajalana).. The gaping hole is LT. Pay Whitworth the money, because the odds of drafting a Brick to fill that job on day 1 is appearing to be very low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 32 minutes ago, drdetroit said: He's 34 "Sold!" -Mike Maccagnan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Groan ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Also there are too many elite level corners and safeties for us to pass up in the 1st round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 40 minutes ago, drdetroit said: He's 34 but is still one of the best LT's in the game and has no injury history or at least nothing compared to Clady and Mangold We just have way too many needs to use all of our early picks on OL. Sign this guy and AQ Shipley to play Center and let the kids compete for starter jobs on the right side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 43 minutes ago, drdetroit said: He's 34 but is still one of the best LT's in the game and has no injury history or at least nothing compared to Clady and Mangold We just have way too many needs to use all of our early picks on OL. Sign this guy and AQ Shipley to play Center and let the kids compete for starter jobs on the right side Correction Whitworth will be 35 next year. Very risky to sign a player at that age as his skills can decline very fast( see Revis) or he can physically start to breakdown.( See Mangold). I think the Jets have to look for a much younger solution . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 11 minutes ago, Raideraholic said: Correction Whitworth will be 35 next year. Very risky to sign a player at that age as his skills can decline very fast( see Revis) or he can physically start to breakdown.( See Mangold). I think the Jets have to look for a much younger solution . Here is a crazy idea: Sign Whitworth and Clady for a combined top level LT salary. Hopefully the 2 of them could combine in 2016 for a full year of protection. If not we roll in Shell, Qvale, Ijalana, etc. If the Jets are developing QBs, they need to spend money at the LT position. Tough to pay it all to a 34 year old, or to Clady. No draft pick readliy apparent. Maybe they get creative in round 2, or reach in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 51 minutes ago, De-Jet-Erate/Duane said: I'm not sure if this will be the guy or not but your theory is right. To many holes to fill on the O line to do it with all draft picks. Going to have to get some FA vets to fill in. When Brick and Mangold were rookies we had brought in vets and had a stud O line. OL isn't that great in round 1 this year. There isn't a Brick or Zack Martin out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De-Jet-Erate/Duane Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, drdetroit said: OL isn't that great in round 1 this year. There isn't a Brick or Zack Martin out there Trade back and get more pics, we need them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, varjet said: Here is a crazy idea: Sign Whitworth and Clady for a combined top level LT salary. Hopefully the 2 of them could combine in 2016 for a full year of protection. If not we roll in Shell, Qvale, Ijalana, etc. If the Jets are developing QBs, they need to spend money at the LT position. Tough to pay it all to a 34 year old, or to Clady. No draft pick readliy apparent. Maybe they get creative in round 2, or reach in round 1. Clady is done. But you're right we can't have a young qb getting raped every week next year because we reached for a mediocre OT prospect at 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, De-Jet-Erate/Duane said: Trade back and get more pics, we need them Easier said than done. Someone has to want our pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De-Jet-Erate/Duane Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, drdetroit said: Easier said than done. Someone has to want our pick I hear ya and I'm glad it's not my job. If there is someone worthy of our pick in an area of need pull the trigger. If not try to get more picks if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, De-Jet-Erate/Duane said: Trade back and get more pics, we need them Even if you don't the proper "value" you need to trade back anyway. Get what you can and draft OL early and often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Even if you don't the proper "value" you need to trade back anyway. Get what you can and draft OL early and often. There's no D'Brick this year. We need a pass rusher bad ofcourse our secondary is awful the QB has hours back there to throw on some of the plays I'm so sick of seeing our overrated DL get shut down on 3rd down or we go on a casino blitz and still can't touch the quarterback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Clady is done. But you're right we can't have a young qb getting raped every week next year because we reached for a mediocre OT prospect at 5 Clady was respectable when he played. i think Steve Marshall has done a decent job with the OL. If he is willing to sign cheap, perhaps with an incentive based contract, he would be a good HTF guy. Otherwise, let him play somewhere else. Worth the shot, but not overpay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 We'll be fa money rich. We gotta buy at least part of the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, varjet said: Clady was respectable when he played. i think Steve Marshall has done a decent job with the OL. If he is willing to sign cheap, perhaps with an incentive based contract, he would be a good HTF guy. Otherwise, let him play somewhere else. Worth the shot, but not overpay. Clady's injuries are catching up. We were lucky to get what we did out of him for half a season. If he's willing to come back on a one year deal at barely above veteran minimum yeah sure but I doubt he takes such a massive paycut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, drdetroit said: There's no D'Brick this year. We need a pass rusher bad ofcourse our secondary is awful the QB has hours back there to throw on some of the plays I'm so sick of seeing our overrated DL get shut down on 3rd down or we go on a casino blitz and still can't touch the quarterback Which is exactly why you trade back - even if you don't get "fair" value. Unfortunately mismanagement has put us in this position that we desperately need youth... Trade down and take OL, OL and OL...This is an offensive league and we have to start with protecting the QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, BrickTamland said: We'll be fa money rich. We gotta buy at least part of the line. Mac and Bowles are going to sign veterans for the OL. They need this team to improve next season or they could both be gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 minute ago, FidelioJet said: Which is exactly why you trade back - even if you don't get "fair" value. Unfortunately mismanagement has put us in this position that we desperately need youth... Trade down and take OL, OL and OL...This is an offensive league and we have to start with protecting the QB And again Trading back is not as easy as you say it is. It requires a partner There are prospects available at 5 that are worth staying there for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 When the Jets had the best line in the league, they bought Faneca, and Woody, and Kendall. Don't know who they are buying this year. But they can buy some. Carpenter was a brilliant signing. Hopefully he does not leave when they are ready to get good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Just now, drdetroit said: And again Trading back is not as easy as you say it is. It requires a partner If you give enough value you can make it happen. There will always be a partner, just a matter of how good a deal you offer. All these guys seem to stick to some arbitrary chart. We have to give up on that chart and get whatever we can. Go out and say I'm definitely taking the best offer - and take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, BrickTamland said: We'll be fa money rich. We gotta buy at least part of the line. 2 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Mac and Bowles are going to sign veterans for the OL. They need this team to improve next season or they could both be gone They will be big spenders on the line, if they can. They Jets were terrible this year primarily because they could not rush the passer or cover anyone. I don't see how FA OL is gong to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, varjet said: When the Jets had the best line in the league, they bought Faneca, and Woody, and Kendall. Don't know who they are buying this year. But they can buy some. Carpenter was a brilliant signing. Hopefully he does not leave when they are ready to get good. A lot of the OL's struggles this year have been lack of leadership. Mangold is gone, Brick is gone, Clady played half the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 minute ago, varjet said: They will be big spenders on the line, if they can. They Jets were terrible this year primarily because they could not rush the passer or cover anyone. I don't see how FA OL is gong to change that. No but the draft can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, varjet said: They will be big spenders on the line, if they can. They Jets were terrible this year primarily because they could not rush the passer or cover anyone. I don't see how FA OL is gong to change that. If you want to truly evaluate young QB's you have to give them protection...If you believe either Petty or Hack can be the future then you have to protect them. It won't be about winning, it'll be about protecting and evaluating the QB's. Short term FA OL and draft OL....and hope one of our QB's are the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 9 hours ago, BrickTamland said: We'll be fa money rich. We gotta buy at least part of the line. Sure Jets can create big Cap space through cuts, but what looks like big numbers pales in comparison to what other teams have to play with.( tough when you're competing for limited talent) http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2017/( that's not counting roll over some teams will have from previous year. Yes the Jets can upgrade some parts of the offense line in Fa, but probably are going to have to draft their Lt.( first not to many quality tackles come available at that premier position ). Not to be a wise guy, but why would Whitworth ( getting close to the end of great career) choose signing with the Jets, than signing with team, that is closer to getting to Super Bowl.( chase that elusive ring). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 4 hours ago, Raideraholic said: Sure Jets can create big Cap space through cuts, but what looks like big numbers pales in comparison to what other teams have to play with.( tough when you're competing for limited talent) http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2017/( that's not counting roll over some teams will have from previous year. Yes the Jets can upgrade some parts of the offense line in Fa, but probably are going to have to draft their Lt.( first not to many quality tackles come available at that premier position ). Not to be a wise guy, but why would Whitworth ( getting close to the end of great career) choose signing with the Jets, than signing with team, that is closer to getting to Super Bowl.( chase that elusive ring). Because the bengals aren't resigning him they have 14 other UFA. Jets can get about $40 mil in cap room after cutting a bunch of scrubs What team close to a Super Bowl needs a LT that has the cap room? Answer is none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicg4360 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Problem with skipping on an oline prospect or not reaching for 1 in the first is we wait till round 2 where it becomes even weaker. How on earth can we come out of this draft with no good oline men. That I would consider a huge failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 11 minutes ago, nicg4360 said: Problem with skipping on an oline prospect or not reaching for 1 in the first is we wait till round 2 where it becomes even weaker. How on earth can we come out of this draft with no good oline men. That I would consider a huge failure. Because most of the good OL in this draft are rated in the 2-4 rounds Brandon Shell was a 5th round pick and is probably our RT of the future. PFF was very impressed with him last weekend. He was lined up against Ndamakung Suh and gave up 0 Qb rushes on 55 pass protects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Because most of the good OL in this draft are rated in the 2-4 rounds Brandon Shell was a 5th round pick and is probably our RT of the future. PFF was very impressed with him last weekend. He was lined up against Ndamakung Suh and gave up 0 Qb rushes on 55 pass protects I spent much of the last game watching Shell. He looks like he has really worked on his footwork, and actually appeared much quicker. Also, he is very strong. Didn't see Suh throw him around like a rag doll like he did Winters and Johnson. Do you have his PFF grade from last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Not a bad idea, I know it's not a long term solution. But you can't develop a qb with a line full of rookies especially at the LT position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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