Would you rather be the Jets or the Chargers right now?

[GreenFish]

2 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

He's had good rosters around him his first few years and they haven't won dick.

You and I disagree.

I’m taking the Chargers without question. You don't agree. I’m ok with that.

[jetblue95]

6 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

 

How confident are you that the Chargers will fill the numerous holes they have in their roster? If having a good young QB guaranteed SB's then there are a lot of great QB's that would have a ring starting with Marino, Burrow and Allen. Marino was one of the best QB's I've ever seen and Shula is a legendary coach. Follow? You need a complete roaster and the Chargers aren't even close.

 

taking off the green shades, the jets have a 40 year QB (albeit a HOF QB) coming off a major injury, a very talented RB/WR combo but pretty much otherwise void of healthy and proven skilled players, an injury prone and aging LT (albeit excellent when healthy), other question marks on the o-line, a very good defense, and a not so good coaching staff, including perhaps the worst OC in the league and the retreads from the tennessee titans offensive staff that pretty much was mediocre.

the jets probably have a better chance this year.  but if they come up short, or in more likely jets fashion, flop spectacularly, they are at blow the whole damn thing up stage - new coach, rodgers walks off into retirement and huge questions about paying all the young players who will need new contracts.

[bicketybam]

Just now, GreenFish said:

You and I disagree.

I’m taking the Chargers without question. You don't agree. I’m ok with that.

Same. 

[bicketybam]

1 minute ago, jetblue95 said:

 

taking off the green shades, the jets have a 40 year QB (albeit a HOF QB) coming off a major injury, a very talented RB/WR combo but pretty much otherwise void of healthy and proven skilled players, an injury prone and aging LT (albeit excellent when healthy), other question marks on the o-line, a very good defense, and a not so good coaching staff, including perhaps the worst OC in the league and the retreads from the tennessee titans offensive staff that pretty much was mediocre.

the jets probably have a better chance this year.  but if they come up short, or in more likely jets fashion, flop spectacularly, they are at blow the whole damn thing up stage - new coach, rodgers walks off into retirement and huge questions about paying all the young players who will need new contracts.

They will still have Sauce, Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall, Jermaine Johnson, Quinnen Williams and his brother, AVT, Tippmam, and most of their edge guys. They will sign their stars.

[jetblue95]

8 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Mike Singletary and Jim Tomosula. Any chance those clowns and anything to do with their 6-10 record?

AGAIN, I'm not saying Harbaugh is a bad coach. In his limited time in the NFL he has proven to be a great coach. I just don't think he overcomes an inferior Chargers roster to make them better than the Jets. I hope I am clear about that.

 

ok, but your comments above don't match what you were saying earlier in this thread when you called him overrated

of course, my position is the flip-side - i think the jets coaching staff makes it less likely they can succeed despite the "on paper" better roster. to most observers/fans, what you say about singletary and tomosula apply to saleh (18-33 career record)

[bicketybam]

1 minute ago, jetblue95 said:

 

ok, but your comments above don't match what you were saying earlier in this thread when you called him overrated

of course, my position is the flip-side - i think the jets coaching staff makes it less likely they can succeed despite the "on paper" better roster. to most observers/fans, what you say about singletary and tomosula apply to saleh (18-33 career record)

I do believe Harbaugh is overrated. I think he's a great coach. Many here think he's Vince Lombardi.

I don't think Saleh has underachieved given his roster, the injuries and his QB room. In fact I think he's overachieved.

[jetblue95]

1 minute ago, bicketybam said:

I do believe Harbaugh is overrated. I think he's a great coach. Many here think he's Vince Lombardi.

I don't think Saleh has underachieved given his roster, the injuries and his QB room. In fact I think he's overachieved.

 

not sure i've seen many here put harbaugh in the league with lombardi.  many here think he's a great coach.  seems you do to.  great coaches matter in this league and can make up for some deficiencies elsewhere on the roster.  the put their players in their best position to succeed, build game plans around their relative strengths and weaknesses, and demand accountability.

curious where you would rank saleh as a coach?  i get that he's had to deal with a crappy hand at QB, being saddled with zach and then losing rodgers so early last year.  he's a good defensive coach.  but i don't think i've seen anything to lead me to conclude he's a good head coach.

[Gaffneycatch81]

Jets have a very strong roster with a chance of winning now. Chargers have a young QB who COULD be great and coaching and management positions in place to POSSIBLY build what the Jets already have. Yes, IF the Chargers make the right moves they might set themselves up for longer term success than the Jets, but that’s a big if. I take the bird in the hand over two in the bush. Jets.

[Raideraholic]

2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I probably agree with you but it's awfully close.  Worst case, the "worse Harbaugh" is still an excellent HC.  Jim took an NFL team to the SB (barely losing to his brother) and just won the Natty in college football.  

What did Harbaugh win at Michigan before he started to allegedly cheat.   Nothing . Ohio st owned him, than he started video taping opponents practice - every since Michigan has owned them.    The chargers always had a good roster but their owner so cheap ( really the poorest owner) that they usually have no depth.  I don’t think that’s going to change much under Harbaugh.    He paying a lot of big bucks h doesn’t have for Harbaugh.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, Raideraholic said:

What did Harbaugh win at Michigan before he started to allegedly cheat.   Nothing . Ohio st owned him, than he started video taping opponents practice - every since Michigan has owned them.    The chargers always had a good roster but their owner so cheap ( really the poorest owner) that they usually have no depth.  I don’t think that’s going to change much under Harbaugh.    He paying a lot of big bucks h doesn’t have for Harbaugh.

Tbh, I actually forgot about the cheating.  Kind of reminds me of a certain NFL HC though.  lol

[jetblue95]

2 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

What did Harbaugh win at Michigan before he started to allegedly cheat.   Nothing . Ohio st owned him, than he started video taping opponents practice - every since Michigan has owned them.    The chargers always had a good roster but their owner so cheap ( really the poorest owner) that they usually have no depth.  I don’t think that’s going to change much under Harbaugh.    He paying a lot of big bucks h doesn’t have for Harbaugh.

 

wtf are you talking about video taping opponents practices?

[bicketybam]

5 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

not sure i've seen many here put harbaugh in the league with lombardi.  many here think he's a great coach.  seems you do to.  great coaches matter in this league and can make up for some deficiencies elsewhere on the roster.  the put their players in their best position to succeed, build game plans around their relative strengths and weaknesses, and demand accountability.

curious where you would rank saleh as a coach?  i get that he's had to deal with a crappy hand at QB, being saddled with zach and then losing rodgers so early last year.  he's a good defensive coach.  but i don't think i've seen anything to lead me to conclude he's a good head coach.

I've been on record by saying I really can't truly judge him with the pile of crap he's had in the most important position in the league. I grade in incomplete. I also don't think his team has ever quit on him for the year (I say "year" because people will point out the Miami game last year.) 

[bicketybam]

2 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

wtf are you talking about video taping opponents practices?

I spy a Michigan fan 😅

[Barry McCockinner]

45 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Feel free to debate them.

[jetblue95]

3 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

I spy a Michigan fan 😅

 

well yes, i am an alum (the blue in my screen name refers to michigan).  

but filming practices???

[Raideraholic]

7 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

wtf are you talking about video taping opponents practices?

They allegedly were videotaping the other team signs.    Ohio st owned them , and than after they stole other team signs Michigan owned them. 

 

[bicketybam]

2 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

well yes, i am an alum (the blue in my screen name refers to michigan).  

but filming practices???

Will you still love Harbaugh when he quits the NFL and goes on to coach another college team?

[bicketybam]

2 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

They allegedly were videotaping the other team signs.    Ohio st owned them , and than after they stole other team signs Michigan owned them. 

 

That won't work in the NFL!!!

[jetblue95]

23 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

They allegedly were videotaping the other team signs.    Ohio st owned them , and than after they stole other team signs Michigan owned them. 

 

 

yes, i am very familiar with this pseudo controversy, although it has nothing to do with filming practices, which is what you initially wrote.

and even the NCAA has said (at least as far as publicly known) that harbaugh knew nothing about what this staffer was doing (some staffer had people film games from the stands and then he would break down team's signals - of course, you can get that stuff from the All 22 film and public broadcasts and all teams steal signs, hence the pseudo controversy of it all)

and of course, after the reports came to light and all other schools were notified, michigan proceeded to route michigan state and purdue, beat penn state, beat maryland, beat ohio state, beat iowa, beat alabama and beat washington and win a title.

[jetblue95]

2 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Will you still love Harbaugh when he quits the NFL and goes on to coach another college team?

 

there is zero chance that ever happens.  he would never coach another college program

[GangGreened]

I’d be interested to see this poll being asked to fans of neither team 

[nycdan]

For those saying they would take SD's roster over NYJs.  Once you stop sniffing glue long enough, take a look around the league at what neutral sites say.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-roster-rankings-all-32-teams-2024-strengths-weaknesses-x-factors

Jets: 4.  Chargers: 26

 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-roster-rankings-2024-excluding-qb/

Jets: 4, Chargers: 30

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-top-10-most-complete-teams-for-2024-season

Jets: 10, Chargers: not listed

 

Now one thing I can say confidently is that none of these sites have any history of being kind to the Jets.  So when they consistently rank NYJ ahead of SD, it's because they believe it.

What I have not seen, anywhere, at any point this offseason, is anyone ranking SD top-10.  That teams has about 5 stars (Herbert, Bosa, Mack, James, Slater) and a pile of guys you have never heard of for good reason.  With Allen, Williams, and Ekeler gone, they don't have a single recognizable name in their skill positions.  It's similar malpractice to their QB that we employed a few years back (and many years before that).  

If you want to pine over DET, SF, PHI, or a few other teams' rosters, go right ahead.  But SD is not the hill to die on.

[bicketybam]

5 minutes ago, nycdan said:

For those saying they would take SD's roster over NYJs.  Once you stop sniffing glue long enough, take a look around the league at what neutral sites say.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-roster-rankings-all-32-teams-2024-strengths-weaknesses-x-factors

Jets: 4.  Chargers: 26

 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-roster-rankings-2024-excluding-qb/

Jets: 4, Chargers: 30

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-top-10-most-complete-teams-for-2024-season

Jets: 10, Chargers: not listed

 

Now one thing I can say confidently is that none of these sites have any history of being kind to the Jets.  So when they consistently rank NYJ ahead of SD, it's because they believe it.

What I have not seen, anywhere, at any point this offseason, is anyone ranking SD top-10.  That teams has about 5 stars (Herbert, Bosa, Mack, James, Slater) and a pile of guys you have never heard of for good reason.  With Allen, Williams, and Ekeler gone, they don't have a single recognizable name in their skill positions.  It's similar malpractice to their QB that we employed a few years back (and many years before that).  

If you want to pine over DET, SF, PHI, or a few other teams' rosters, go right ahead.  But SD is not the hill to die on.

Bot 😅

[Raideraholic]

33 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

yes, i am very familiar with this pseudo controversy, although it has nothing to do with filming practices, which is what you initially wrote.

and even the NCAA has said (at least as far as publicly known) that harbaugh knew nothing about what this staffer was doing (some staffer had people film games from the stands and then he would break down team's signals - of course, you can get that stuff from the All 22 film and public broadcasts and all teams steal signs, hence the pseudo controversy of it all)

and of course, after the reports came to light and all other schools were notified, michigan proceeded to route michigan state and purdue, beat penn state, beat maryland, beat ohio state, beat iowa, beat alabama and beat washington and win a title.

Yes it wasn’t practice that was wrong , but they videotaping opponents at games.   Still a no no.   They cheated and you have to be naive or Michigan Homer to believe he wasn’t behind that.  try getting tough with Antonio Pierce - Harbaugh will get his ass kicked.

[bicketybam]

3 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

Yes it was practice that was wrong but they videotaping opponents at games.   Still a no no.   They cheated and you have to be naive or Michigan Homer to believe he wasn’t behind that.  try getting tough with Antonio Pierce - Harbaugh will get his ass kicked.

[bicketybam]

It's a dead heat 50/50! Sunnysiders (aka Bots) vs the Darksiders! Who will win? Keep voting guys!!!

[jetblue95]

Just now, Raideraholic said:

Yes it was practice that was wrong but they videotaping opponents at games.   Still a no no.   They cheated and you have to be naive or Michigan Homer to believe he wasn’t behind that.  try getting tough with Antonio Pierce - Harbaugh will get his ass kicked.

 

you do realize the video you posted here even quoted the NCAA report that said harbaugh was not aware of what the staffer was doing.  it wasn't the team doing it.  it was some crazy staffer, who paid people to sit in the stands and film sidelines with their iphones and then he broke down the recordings.  so iphone footage taken from the stands across the field.

you also do realize that teams regularly steal each other's signs, and all teams have access to the All-22 tape and various tv broadcasts. 

there are also reports that ohio state staffers gave michigan's signals to purdue before the 2022 big 10 title game.  so yeah, all teams steal signs - some even share signs with a common rival.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/11/07/rivals-decoded-michigan-signals-and-shared-with-another-big-ten-team

[jetblue95]

btw - out of curiosity, i just looked up super bowl odds on a few sites.  the jets generally had the 11-12th best odds to win the SB.  the chargers were about 15-16th.

 

[bicketybam]

11 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

btw - out of curiosity, i just looked up super bowl odds on a few sites.  the jets generally had the 11-12th best odds to win the SB.  the chargers were about 15-16th.

 

Their odds are twice long as the Jets and the same as the Chicago Bears.

[jetblue95]

i think the browns at +4000 is an attractive bet (i once hit on 50/1 for the ravens for the 2020-21 season)

but anyway, different sites have different odds.  but it remains that various odds-makers have the jets as the 11th or 12th most likely and the chargers as the 15th or 16th most likely.  so yes, the jets are seen as having a better chance this year.  but it certainly wouldn't surprise me to see the chargers finish with a better record.  and long-term, we have no idea who is QB and who is coaching this team, especially if this year doesn't go down as hoped.

[bicketybam]

1 minute ago, jetblue95 said:

i think the browns at +4000 is an attractive bet (i once hit on 50/1 for the ravens for the 2020-21 season)

but anyway, different sites have different odds.  but it remains that various odds-makers have the jets as the 11th or 12th most likely and the chargers as the 15th or 16th most likely.  so yes, the jets are seen as having a better chance this year.  but it certainly wouldn't surprise me to see the chargers finish with a better record.  and long-term, we have no idea who is QB and who is coaching this team, especially if this year doesn't go down as hoped.

Forget the rank. The Jets have two times the better odds. And I can't imagine the Jets having a worse record than the Chargers if Rodgers is healthy.

[jetblue95]

3 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Forget the rank. The Jets have two times the better odds. And I can't imagine the Jets having a worse record than the Chargers if Rodgers is healthy.

 

on that site, yes

on caeser's sportsbook the jets are +2000 the chargers +2500

and if you can't imagine the jets under-performing expectations, well then you haven't been a jets fan long enough... 🤪

[bicketybam]

Just now, jetblue95 said:

 

on that site, yes

on caeser's sportsbook the jets are +2000 the chargers +2500

and if you can't imagine the jets under-performing expectations, well then you haven't been a jets fan long enough... 🤪

And the Chargers have a great record of exceeding expectations 😅 

My site is the Mohegan sports book it CT. If you are that confident about the Chargers I'd look to get a bet in at +4000. I wouldn't touch the Chargers at +2500. That's an awful bet.

[bicketybam]

@Raideraholic 😱

 

[Dcat]

6 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

on that site, yes

on caeser's sportsbook the jets are +2000 the chargers +2500

and if you can't imagine the jets under-performing expectations, well then you haven't been a jets fan long enough... 🤪

MGM: Chargers +4000,  Jets +2200
Draft Kings: Chargers +3500, Jets +2000

I put a token bet on the Jets last month at +2500.