The Voice of Reason Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, Doggin94it said: Before week 6 There is a 99.8% chance he is on the Jets opening day roster week 1... Beyond that it's a bunch of worthless arguments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: There is a 99.8% chance he is on the Jets opening day roster week 1... Beyond that it's a bunch of worthless arguments Shhh trying to make a bet here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 5 minutes ago, jgb said: No. My argument is that Reddick has a greater degree of “leverage” than the “zero” others are espousing. Maybe the bet is that Reddick either gets a new deal or is traded before playing in a game for the Jets. For a value of "new deal" that equates to how much of a bump in salary? If Reddick caves for "give me some easy to reach incentives that lets me get back to square 1", sure, the Jets will take that. A bump to 17m for the year or more, or a long term deal? Not gonna happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 6 minutes ago, Doggin94it said: For a value of "new deal" that equates to how much of a bump in salary? If Reddick caves for "give me some easy to reach incentives that lets me get back to square 1", sure, the Jets will take that. A bump to 17m for the year or more, or a long term deal? Not gonna happen Make a proposal. I will note i get great pleasure from this “negotiation” as it shows the cracks in casual messageboard confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, jgb said: Make a proposal. I will note i get great pleasure from this “negotiation” as it shows the cracks in casual messageboard confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 14 minutes ago, bicketybam said: The wallet is always smarter than the mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, jgb said: Wallets is always smarter than the mouth They are. Tend to have a record of the losses 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, EM31 said: They are. Tend to have a record of the losses It is indeed interesting that those who fight the most, and insult those with opposite views, suddenly turn into timid mice negotiating caveats upon caveats when there is money on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 hours ago, jgb said: We really need to hope - as always — for no DL injuries. Otherwise this entire leverage conversation could flip in a hurry. If I was in JD’s situation I’d work for a 1 year bandaid extension before that potentially happens. Of course, takes two to tango and I don’t know what Reddick is looking for. I am not afraid of injuries. I'll play Mckinley, McGregor. Holmes. They are stacked. I would hope that Douglas already made a 1 year sweetener offer and I probably would not sweeten it any further. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 7 minutes ago, jgb said: The wallet is always smarter than the mouth How many people have predicted he would sit out the season? I'm not sure I've seen a single person suggest that yet you come swinging in trying to bet he will eventually report 😅 My guy, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, bicketybam said: How many people have predicted he would sit out the season? I'm not sure I've seen a single person suggest that yet you come swinging in trying to bet he will eventually report 😅 My guy, please. My prediction is there is a deal or trade before he plays a game for the Jets. I mean, you can frame it as you wish, but you’re walking back from your own words plain for all to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I am not afraid of injuries. I'll play Mckinley, MzzcGregor. Holmes. They are stacked. I would hope that Dougkas already made a 1 year sweetener offer and I probably would not sweeten it any further. Begs the question though why trade for Reddick’s the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, jgb said: It is indeed interesting that those who fight the most, and insult those with opposite views, suddenly turn into timid mice negotiating caveats upon caveats when there is money on the line. LOL. I have never tried betting anyone from here. If I want to make a bet I will make at the book price with a trusted outlet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, EM31 said: LOL. I have never tried betting anyone from here. If I want to make a bet I will make at the book price with a trusted outlet. I’m 11 for 11 on bets on here. All to charity. Over $5000. And these are bets that no bookie would give because yes I mercilessly take advantage of emotion. But again, all for charity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, jgb said: Begs the question though why trade for Reddick’s the first place? Because the upside potential far outweighed the downside. If he shows up and plays lights out then it is still a winning bet. The story is not over yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, EM31 said: Because the upside potential far outweighed the downside. If he shows up and plays lights out then it is still a winning bet. The story is not over yet. So why not negotiate a one year bandaid extension as part of the deal? If he says “not interested” well, then you know he don’t wanna be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, jgb said: I’m 11 for 11 on bets on here. All to charity. Over $5000. And these are bets that no bookie would give because yes I mercilessly take advantage of emotion. But again, all for charity. Not many of the good gamblers that I know would boast about like this. So you are a bit of a first in terms of announcing your win rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 10 minutes ago, jgb said: My prediction is there is a deal or trade before he plays a game for the Jets. I mean, you can frame it as you wish, but you’re walking back from your own words plain for all to see. No. I'm not. Serious question. Have you been drinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 47 minutes ago, jgb said: No. My argument is that Reddick has a greater degree of “leverage” than the “zero” others are espousing. I can’t see where he has any leverage here. His value to the Jets is the extra pressure he may provide over what a McDonald etc might provide. While ultimately, with the additional pressure he may provide is there or not it comes down to the Jets will play opening day while as of today Reddick won’t be playing. Jets will be working towards a playoff spot and beyond, Reddick is working towards nothing. Jets will have an extra $18M and its cap space, with the freedom to use elsewhere, Reddick has $0, just a huge fine on his ledger sheet. All of this with no end in sight if the Jets hold him to the deal he signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, EM31 said: Not many of the good gamblers that I know would boast about like this. So you are a bit of a first in terms of announcing your win rate. Blowhard is gonna blowhard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 4 minutes ago, jgb said: So why not negotiate a one year bandaid extension as part of the deal? If he says “not interested” well, then you know he don’t wanna be here. Honest answer is that I believe they are negotiating now with a mind to contracts of Sauce, Garret and Breece. This has to play out this way otherwise it creates weakness for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, EM31 said: Honest answer is that I believe they are negotiating now with a mind to contracts of Sauce, Garret and Breece. This has to play out this way otherwise it creates weakness for the Jets. I mean they should’ve had this discussion as a pre-condition to consummating trade with eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, jgb said: I mean they should’ve had this discussion as a pre-condition to consummating trade with eagles I am sure some version of it did but we are not privy to those conversations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 15 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: I can’t see where he has any leverage here. His value to the Jets is the extra pressure he may provide over what a McDonald etc might provide. While ultimately, with the additional pressure he may provide is there or not it comes down to the Jets will play opening day while as of today Reddick won’t be playing. Jets will be working towards a playoff spot and beyond, Reddick is working towards nothing. Jets will have an extra $18M and its cap space, with the freedom to use elsewhere, Reddick has $0, just a huge fine on his ledger sheet. All of this with no end in sight if the Jets hold him to the deal he signed. Okay, let’s play this out. You think Reddick doesn’t have any leverage. Okay, so then it would impossible for his leverage to decrease since he has zero now. Therefore, the best time for JD to negotiate with him is right now, when his leverage is at definitional minimum (zero). Only JD has refused to do that. He said I want you to report before I’ll even talk to your people. Well, why do you need to attach conditions to even hold a discussion with someone who you already have on the mat by the throat? My point is this — I agree JD has Reddick pinned at the moment, so use the advantage to fix this. It is impossible for Reddick to go to “less than zero” leverage but injuries and other factors could actually shift some power back to him. JD should drop the “you must be here to talk to us” pretense and negotiate before something changes that actually strengthens Reddick’s position. Leverage is useless until you leverage it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, jgb said: Okay, let’s play this out. You think Reddick doesn’t have any leverage. Okay, so then it would impossible for his leverage to decrease since he has zero now. Clearly you've never heard the term "less than zero." @Joe W. Namath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 25 minutes ago, EM31 said: I am sure some version of it did but we are not privy to those conversations. The point being if you can’t work the deal with Reddick you don’t finalize the trade with the Eagles. That’s what a pre-condition means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 The dumbass can sit and rot... I would offer him much less money due to injury risk now and lack of training camp prep.. I missed the lineup of teams interested in Reddick.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, sciond said: The dumbass can sit and rot... I would offer him much less money due to injury risk now and lack of training camp prep.. I missed the lineup of teams interested in Reddick.... Offer him less money than what? He’s under contract. If you mean trying to force a pay cut after trading for him below the salary he’s is already holding out from… yeah, good luck. Not only would that advance nothing, but it would also send a horrific signal to players and agents around the league. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, jgb said: Offer him less money than what? He’s under contract. If you mean trying to force a pay cut after trading for him below the salary he’s is already holding out from… yeah, good luck. Not only would that advance nothing, but it would also send a horrific signal to players and agents around the league. The message don't be a an idiot. Who cares about the message Jet were every agents doormats for years. Second he is not a Jet. You have to show up to be one at least once. subtract the fines from the new contract and offer him that..... many times team forgive fines in these situations. No concessions in this case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 5 minutes ago, sciond said: The message don't be a an idiot. Who cares about the message Jet were every agents doormats for years. Second he is not a Jet. You have to show up to be one at least once. subtract the fines from the new contract and offer him that..... many times team forgive fines in these situations. No concessions in this case When do you propose to serve Reddick with this sh*tburger and what do you anticipate his response to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 5 minutes ago, jgb said: When do you propose to serve Reddick with this sh*tburger and what do you anticipate his response to be? Same as it has been... I am not showing up.... F-him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, sciond said: Same as it has been... I am not showing up.... F-him Alright, well don’t let me stand on the way of a negotiation guru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 30 minutes ago, jgb said: Alright, well don’t let me stand on the way of a negotiation guru. ****yawn*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfmartin Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 The message don't be a an idiot. Who cares about the message Jet were every agents doormats for years. Second he is not a Jet. You have to show up to be one at least once. subtract the fines from the new contract and offer him that..... many times team forgive fines in these situations. No concessions in this caseEvery team knew he wanted the contract. Hell the story from Connor Hughes (who is Douglas’s mouthpiece through the beat) is teams were hanging up when they heard Reddicks demands, but we are supposed to believe that 31 other teams couldn’t convince him to play out his existing contract but somehow the Jets did? Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 hour ago, jgb said: Begs the question though why trade for Reddick’s the first place? He is a nice piece and it was a bargain if he showed and played. I think he and his agent overvalued him. He is a shrimp EDGE. He is LB sized but can't play LB. His market is small. Philly was done with him. I think the Jets and Niners are the other teams he fits well. Sure he could play elsewhere but if he is solely DPR his value is down. Sort of how the Jets saw Huff Also, look back and see my elaborate conspiracy theory that even @T0mShane finds ridiculous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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